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Sarah Palin's Family Allegedly in Alaska House Party Brawl[W:641]

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upsideguy said:
I hope you realize how absurd a statement that really is, unless you think Palin was elevated to the VP candidate slot on the Republican ticket because she was the very best and the very brightest the Republicans had in their stable.

It was because she was a woman that McCain tapped her to help bail out his fledgling campaign. In doing so, Palin was elevated from a no-name two bit governor, who know one ever heard of (nor would ever hear of... can you name another governor of Alaska... probably the most anonymous governorship in the US). McCain made Palin. She benefited far more by the affirmative action of McCain telling his staff to find him a woman (or other minority) as a running mate than perhaps any other affirmative action move in US history.

Frankly, I am not sure what I want more: you to tell us the Palin was the very best that the Republicans had to offer as a VP candidate in 2008 or she is the biggest beneficiary of affirmative action in world history.
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Not that I know if Obama benefitted from Affirmative Action or not, but what does your post have to do with what he said? All POTUS candidates' running mates were tapped to help the campaign. That isn't "affirmative action" by any means. And if tapping a woman is Affirmative Action by your definition, what about Geraldine Ferraro? Do you think a 6 term Congresswoman from Queens was the "very best and the very brightest" the Democrats had in their stable in 1984? Do you think she was a household name before she accepted the offer (hint - she wasn't)?
 
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tres borrachos said:
Not that I know if Obama benefitted from Affirmative Action or not, but what does your post have to do with what he said? All POTUS candidates' running mates were tapped to help the campaign. That isn't "affirmative action" by any means. And if tapping a woman is Affirmative Action by your definition, what about Geraldine Ferraro? Do you think a 6 term Congresswoman from Queens was the "very best and the very brightest" the Democrats had in their stable in 1984? Do you think she was a household name before she accepted the offer (hint - she wasn't)?
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Any choice of a running mate is a political one. Somebody in the McCain camp saw two problems with their campaign - not exciting the partisan base and the lack of anything special to go against the possibility of the first black guy. Palin helped on both accounts, but she's such a firebrand that she completely alienates moderates.

I wonder how much of the story was planted by Palin. Falling out of the public eye doesn't exactly help her. She says she wants to be a "regular citizen," but she does need to stay in the public eye if she wants anyone to pay attention. Kind of like the love/hate relationship between movie stars and the papparazzi - They don't always want their picture taken, but falling out of the public eye is bad for their careers.
 
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rocket88 said:
Any choice of a running mate is a political one. Somebody in the McCain camp saw two problems with their campaign - not exciting the partisan base and the lack of anything special to go against the possibility of the first black guy. Palin helped on both accounts, but she's such a firebrand that she completely alienates moderates.

I wonder how much of the story was planted by Palin. Falling out of the public eye doesn't exactly help her. She says she wants to be a "regular citizen," but she does need to stay in the public eye if she wants anyone to pay attention. Kind of like the love/hate relationship between movie stars and the papparazzi - They don't always want their picture taken, but falling out of the public eye is bad for their careers.
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Palin thrives on the attention that the left gives her, and also loves to see herself on right leaning shows & news accounts. Isn't that obvious?

Palin helped McCain, contrary to what people say. I'm not a fan, but you can't deny the impact she made, and is still making almost 7 years later.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Palin thrives on the attention that the left gives her, and also loves to see herself on right leaning shows & news accounts. Isn't that obvious?

Palin helped McCain, contrary to what people say. I'm not a fan, but you can't deny the impact she made, and is still making almost 7 years later.
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She helped him lose. Had McCain picked Lieberman, the election would have been much closer. Palin chased away anyone who sat on the fence. And, winning the fence sitters is what the presidential general election is all about. It's certainly not about appealing to the base at that point. Fence sitters went with Obama because a VP like Palin with an 80 year-old president scared the hell out of them.
 
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rocket88 said:
Any choice of a running mate is a political one. Somebody in the McCain camp saw two problems with their campaign - not exciting the partisan base and the lack of anything special to go against the possibility of the first black guy. Palin helped on both accounts, but she's such a firebrand that she completely alienates moderates.

I wonder how much of the story was planted by Palin. Falling out of the public eye doesn't exactly help her. She says she wants to be a "regular citizen," but she does need to stay in the public eye if she wants anyone to pay attention. Kind of like the love/hate relationship between movie stars and the papparazzi - They don't always want their picture taken, but falling out of the public eye is bad for their careers.
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I think that hits the nail on the head, but I suggest she is far more calculating. People who want to be "regular citizens" do not start their own TV shows. Or self publish how many books now?

She is the foil, the false target that enrages the left, exposes them as misogynistic and close minded and she is not in any way a threat at any ballot box.

Like many woman who have been in power she knows the value of being underestimated and she has been. While all stand agape at Obama for rising from a community organizer to the presidency, she has gone from being an obscure Alaskan politician to being a household word.

To the right, she is the vanguard of old ideas, and lighting rod of fools and there are few better at drawing out fools than she.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
To the right, she is the vanguard of old ideas, and lighting rod of fools and there are few better at drawing out fools than she.
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She still has plenty of support from the right. Just read this thread and it's there. Most of the moderates wish she would go back to Wasilla and let everyone forget about her, but the diehard "True Conservative, call everyone else RINOs" wing loves her. While they protest about "the left still paying attention to her," they want her in the public eye as much as anyone.
 
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rocket88 said:
She still has plenty of support from the right. Just read this thread and it's there. Most of the moderates wish she would go back to Wasilla and let everyone forget about her, but the diehard "True Conservative, call everyone else RINOs" wing loves her. While they protest about "the left still paying attention to her," they want her in the public eye as much as anyone.
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I agree, most of the hard right folks I know do respect her. But even the hardest righties know she's damaged goods politically and not suitable to run for office. Like Newt.
 
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calamity said:
She helped him lose. Had McCain picked Lieberman, the election would have been much closer. Palin chased away anyone who sat on the fence. And, winning the fence sitters is what the presidential general election is all about. It's certainly not about appealing to the base at that point. Fence sitters went with Obama because a VP like Palin with an 80 year-old president scared the hell out of them.
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McCain and Lieberman were not a winning combination. That wasn't going to happen and no, she didn't help him lose. He lost on his own.
 
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rocket88 said:
She still has plenty of support from the right. Just read this thread and it's there. Most of the moderates wish she would go back to Wasilla and let everyone forget about her, but the diehard "True Conservative, call everyone else RINOs" wing loves her. While they protest about "the left still paying attention to her," they want her in the public eye as much as anyone.
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"Support" from the right for what? Running for President? I don't buy that at all and I don't see it, on this thread or others.
 
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calamity said:
She helped him lose. Had McCain picked Lieberman, the election would have been much closer. Palin chased away anyone who sat on the fence. And, winning the fence sitters is what the presidential general election is all about. It's certainly not about appealing to the base at that point. Fence sitters went with Obama because a VP like Palin with an 80 year-old president scared the hell out of them.
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Exactly. Two weeks after Palin got the nod, I removed my Vote McCain signs out of my front yard. I can't believe he got hoodwinked into such a stupid decision.
 
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tres borrachos said:
"Support" from the right for what? Running for President? I don't buy that at all and I don't see it, on this thread or others.
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She has her supporters, and I wouldn't say their on the left....just a guess, mind you. You will find someone who will support her, probably more than one.
 
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rocket88 said:
She has her supporters, and I wouldn't say their on the left....just a guess, mind you. You will find someone who will support her, probably more than one.
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I'll ask again - supporters for what exactly? Who in this thread is advocating for her to be POTUS, VP or another role in politics?
 
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tres borrachos said:
What makes you think she's smarter than her husband (his name is Todd, not Toad)?
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I am well aware of what Toad's name is. ha ha. If you have ever heard him speak, he's not particularly bright.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
She is the foil, the false target that enrages the left, exposes them as misogynistic and close minded and she is not in any way a threat at any ballot box..
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Nonsense. Those on the left feared this airhead could be 1 heartbeat away from the nuke buttons...THAT the right didn't have the decency to take the time to vet someone in such an incredibly important position enraged and unified their disdain for her and everything she stands for...

Then she drooled all over herself and made an ass of McCain and the republican party.

You couldn't be further from the truth.
 
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Top Cat said:
I am well aware of what Toad's name is. ha ha. If you have ever heard him speak, he's not particularly bright.
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I've heard him speak. I've met him. Not sure what about him struck you as being dumb. He's a laborer.
 
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Top Cat said:
Oh yes she did. She screwed the pooch in her interviews.
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I don't know of any committed Republican voters who didn't vote for her because she doesn't read newspapers. I do know a lot of people who weren't McCain fans who voted for him because she got them excited, especially pro-gun people.

He lost because of the economy crashing right before the election.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
The problem with Palin is the fact that she was pretty much pushed into this nonsense by a RINO when she herself leans more libertarian, but yes I think she was "used" just because she is a woman.

Then after progressives threw her under the bus the RINO's did...

Anyone who thinks she is dumb is naive or is actually dumb..... White people don't get that far in life being stupid - especially NOT with conservative values on top of that.
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So someone who "isn't a Republican" gets to define what a "real Republican is?" How about this - if you're not one of them, let them decided what their platform is.
 
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Top Cat said:
Nonsense. Those on the left feared this airhead could be 1 heartbeat away from the nuke buttons...THAT the right didn't have the decency to take the time to vet someone in such an incredibly important position enraged and unified their disdain for her and everything she stands for...
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So having Joe Biden as VP is better?!?! Joe Biden is much more scary.
 
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Porchev said:
So having Joe Biden as VP is better?!?! Joe Biden is much more scary.
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No. Not even close. Biden is smart enough to circle himself with plenty of good people.

She's a chicken hawk.
 
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Top Cat said:
Nonsense. Those on the left feared this airhead could be 1 heartbeat away from the nuke buttons...THAT the right didn't have the decency to take the time to vet someone in such an incredibly important position enraged and unified their disdain for her and everything she stands for...

Then she drooled all over herself and made an ass of McCain and the republican party.

You couldn't be further from the truth.
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What would make anyone think that Sarah Palin was itching to set off nukes?
 
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Top Cat said:
No. Not even close. Biden is smart enough to circle himself with plenty of good people.

She's a chicken hawk.
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Circle himself with plenty of good people? Like who, for instance?
 
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