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New Michael Brown shooting witnesses describe scene

http://news.yahoo.com/video-evidence-emerges-michael-brown-shooting-important-144115167.html

On the other hand, the video is hardly conclusive. The two men told CNN they heard an initial shot but did not see how the confrontation started. (Police say Brown struck the officer in the face inside his patrol car, then reached for the officer’s gun.) About 30 seconds later, they said, they saw a staggering Brown turn around, put his arms up and cry, “OK, OK, OK.” The officer, they said, fired again anyway.
 
Erod said:
I understand that 95 percent of liberals don't give a rip about what the actual facts are, but can we not just wait for this to play out?
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Theres more than a few liberals on this site that have called for cooler heads and a wait and see mentality. Everything you just said could be applied to 'conservatives' that are in a hurry to make the police action the only right response.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Or maybe they decided to make up stuff to try and get the cop charged and arrested, or to get on TV, or to become folk heroes? Why come out now and not before? Who knows? Maybe they're telling the truth - maybe they aren't. As for why it makes more sense to you, should be obvious.
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I saw the video and you could clearly see the guys confusion/frustration in real time. TBH I think more ppl will listen bc they're white and don't want to be identified. They aren't from ferguson either so nobody can say there's a bis since there's no personal connection.
 
VanceMack said:
Theres more than a few liberals on this site that have called for cooler heads and a wait and see mentality. Everything you just said could be applied to 'conservatives' that are in a hurry to make the police action the only right response.
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Ferguson is old news now. Barely an afterthought.

It's Ray Rice and Roger Goodell now.

That'll pass soon, too.

And about 3% of the country is paying any attention to ISIS.
 
Erod said:
That's what your brainwashers tell you, but that couldn't be further from the truth. We feel helpless to free black Americans from their oppressive liberal captors, who lead them around by the nose with free money and built-in excuses.
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BWAHAHAHAHA Compassionate conservatism... great giggles.
 
Top Cat said:
BWAHAHAHAHA Compassionate conservatism... great giggles.
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Yeah, you keep giving them money and excuses. That is sure helping them crawl out from under the American totem pole.
 
Erod said:
Yeah, you keep giving them money and excuses.
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Honestly, the amount of hypocrisy on this issue from the right is laughable. I know of tons of righties on food stamps and welfare.
 
Top Cat said:
Honestly, the amount of hypocrisy on this issue from the right is laughable. I know of tons of righties on food stamps and welfare.
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Were they looting businesses and rioting in the streets?
 
Erod said:
Ferguson is old news now. Barely an afterthought.

It's Ray Rice and Roger Goodell now.

That'll pass soon, too.

And about 3% of the country is paying any attention to ISIS.
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And that is relevant to this how? I agree...the nation has the attention span of a cocker spaniel with ADHD, but that doesnt change the fact that a good number of people are rushing to judgment and they arent all liberals. Conversely, a good number of people ARENT and they arent all conservatives.
 
Erod said:
Ferguson is old news now. Barely an afterthought.

It's Ray Rice and Roger Goodell now.

That'll pass soon, too.

And about 3% of the country is paying any attention to ISIS.
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Certain members of Congress are more interested in Goodell than ISIS. Guess who they are?
 
These two new witness statements confirm what other witnesses have already said, that:

1) Michael Brown was running away from the police officer;

2) Officer Wilson did shoot at Michael Brown as he was running away which would support how some witnesses wrongfully made the claim that Michael Brown was "shot in the back";

3) Michael Brown did have his hand up.

4) Michael Brown was shot multiple times, once in the head, several times in the body.

5) Michael Brown died of multiple gun shot wounds.

I think the fact that these witnesses don't live in Ferguson, MO adds alittle more creditability to other eyewitness accounts of what happened. I'm still very willing to wait until all the evidence comes out at trial before saying guilt or innocent, murder or self-defense.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
It's easier to believe that people are EVIL and mean - not so stupid they kill their own selves as a result.

It's called denial. It's understandable though - everyone wants to believe that people are good all the time and never do anything dumb or thoughtless - like walk in front of a race car, angrily confronting that race car driver - while the race is going on at speeds over 150 mph. Only to get hit and killed.

You don't want to accept that someone was stupid enough to try to beat a cop to death and then was shot for it while he went to attack him again. It's called suicide by cop.

You don't want to accept it - but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. People can be violent, stupid, selfish ****s.
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It's also a lot easier to believe that an unarmed teenager shot dead in the middle of the street somehow deserved to die, rather than believe that his last moments on earth may very well have been spent in terror.
 
JC_CT said:
It's also a lot easier to believe that an unarmed teenager shot dead in the middle of the street somehow deserved to die, rather than believe that his last moments on earth may very well have been spent in terror.
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Well we'll see after the trial - after real evidence is collected and examined and the crap is tossed out.

right now - everyone is right - everyone is wrong - Schroedinger's cat is still quite dead alive in the box.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Well we'll see after the trial - after real evidence is collected and examined and the crap is tossed out.

right now - everyone is right - everyone is wrong - Schroedinger's cat is still quite dead alive in the box.
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I do respect the QM reference.
 
Objective Voice said:
These two new witness statements confirm what other witnesses have already said, that:

1) Michael Brown was running away from the police officer;

2) Officer Wilson did shoot at Michael Brown as he was running away which would support how some witnesses wrongfully made the claim that Michael Brown was "shot in the back";

3) Michael Brown did have his hand up.

4) Michael Brown was shot multiple times, once in the head, several times in the body.

5) Michael Brown died of multiple gun shot wounds.

I think the fact that these witnesses don't live in Ferguson, MO adds alittle more creditability to other eyewitness accounts of what happened. I'm still very willing to wait until all the evidence comes out at trial before saying guilt or innocent, murder or self-defense.
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Did you watch the video in the link provided? If you had, you would have heard and seen an interview with another eyewitness that said the exact opposite of those points you just made.
 
A Witness Conversation Unknowingly Captured at the Scene of the Ferguson Shooting is a Game-Changer

An approximate transcription of the background conversation, as related by the “Conservative Treehouse” blog, who originally discovered the conversation:

@6:28/6:29 of video

#1 How’d he get from there to there?

#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck

{crosstalk}

#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him

{crosstalk}

#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –

[there is dispute here whether he says "doubled back" or "coming back."]

#1. Oh, the police got his gun

#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him

{crosstalk}

#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing

#1 The Police?

#2 The Police shot him

#1 Police?

#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)

This is terribly important because if Mike Brown had been shot, and he advanced towards the cop instead of surrendering, it would substantiate the narrative that the policeman shot in self-defense due to the fact that he was being threatened with severe bodily harm. This corroborates an account of the event given by a friend of Officer Darren Wilson:

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.” Alleged Friend Of Officer Darren Wilson Offers His Side | The Dana Show

What key witnesses to the Michael Brown shooting have to say - LA Times
 
VanceMack said:
Did you watch the video in the link provided? If you had, you would have heard and seen an interview with another eyewitness that said the exact opposite of those points you just made.
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You must be referring to Michael Brady, the witness who gives his account at the end of the CNN video segment. If so, then you know this witness clearly stated he likely did not see Michael Brown with is hands raised because he was coming out of his apartment at the time to record the rest of the scene. So, let's not gloss over all the other eyewitness accounts that was given throughout the video segment starting from the 0:21 mark on where, for example, the construction working in the green shirt says...

He [Michael Brown] had his f******g hands in the air."
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Or between the 1:00-1:12 mark this same witness raises his arms in the air to motion how he saw Michael Brown's hands at the time he was shot and states and is repeated as saying...

He [Michael Brown] had his hands up like this.
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Or where at the 1:30 mark an unknown witness off camera can be heard yelling...

He [Michael Brown] was no f*****ing threat at all.
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Don't gloss over the witnesses accounting or discount it just to frame your own idea of what happened and pass it off as truth. They saw what they saw. And enough people saw things in a very similar fashion to paint the police officer as in the wrong. Still, I'm very willing to wait until all the evidence comes out before saying guilty or innocent, murder or self-defense.
 
7forever said:
A Witness Conversation Unknowingly Captured at the Scene of the Ferguson Shooting is a Game-Changer

An approximate transcription of the background conversation, as related by the “Conservative Treehouse” blog, who originally discovered the conversation:

@6:28/6:29 of video

#1 How’d he get from there to there?

#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck

{crosstalk}

#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him

{crosstalk}

#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –

[there is dispute here whether he says "doubled back" or "coming back."]

#1. Oh, the police got his gun

#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him

{crosstalk}

#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing

#1 The Police?

#2 The Police shot him

#1 Police?

#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)

This is terribly important because if Mike Brown had been shot, and he advanced towards the cop instead of surrendering, it would substantiate the narrative that the policeman shot in self-defense due to the fact that he was being threatened with severe bodily harm. This corroborates an account of the event given by a friend of Officer Darren Wilson:

Well, then Michael takes off and gets to be about 35 feet away. And, Darren’s first protocol is to pursue. So, he stands up and yells, “Freeze!” Michael and his friend turn around. And Michael taunts him… And then all the sudden he just started bumrushing him. He just started coming at him full speed. And, so he just started shooting. And, he just kept coming. And, so he really thinks he was on something.” Alleged Friend Of Officer Darren Wilson Offers His Side | The Dana Show

What key witnesses to the Michael Brown shooting have to say - LA Times
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If I had to choose between a third-party witness accounting of what he was told happened versus those who actually witnessed what took place on the scene, I'd take the eyewitnesses account bar none.

Just saying...someone tells you what took place and you retell it to someone else, i.e, "he told me..." OR words straight from those who were there to see events unfold with their own eyes. You be the judge.
 
Ferguson tragedy becoming a farce - The Washington Post

October is when a grand jury is expected to decide whether to indict the white police officer, Darren Wilson, who killed an unarmed black teenager by firing at least six bullets into him. It’s a good bet the grand jurors won’t charge him, because all signs indicate that the St. Louis County prosecutor, Robert McCulloch, doesn’t want them to.


Dana Milbank writes about political theater in the nation’s capital. He joined the Post as a political reporter in 2000. View Archive

The latest evidence that the fix is in came this week from The Post’s Kimberly Kindy and Carol Leonnig, who discovered that McCulloch’s office has declined so far to recommend any charges to the grand jury. Instead, McCulloch’s prosecutors handling the case are taking the highly unusual course of dumping all evidence on the jurors and leaving them to make sense of it.
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I realize that the author of the article is trying to claim it's because the prosecutor is biased against blacks... But I suspect the much more likely reason is that there is exculpatory evidence, that the author is unaware of.
 
Objective Voice said:
You must be referring to Michael Brady, the witness who gives his account at the end of the CNN video segment. If so, then you know this witness clearly stated he likely did not see Michael Brown with is hands raised because he was coming out of his apartment at the time to record the rest of the scene. So, let's not gloss over all the other eyewitness accounts that was given throughout the video segment starting from the 0:21 mark on where, for example, the construction working in the green shirt says...



Or between the 1:00-1:12 mark this same witness raises his arms in the air to motion how he saw Michael Brown's hands at the time he was shot and states and is repeated as saying...



Or where at the 1:30 mark an unknown witness off camera can be heard yelling...



Don't gloss over the witnesses accounting or discount it just to frame your own idea of what happened and pass it off as truth. They saw what they saw. And enough people saw things in a very similar fashion to paint the police officer as in the wrong. Still, I'm very willing to wait until all the evidence comes out before saying guilty or innocent, murder or self-defense.
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The witness at the end of the video said he was not turned away but was facing him and that he did not have his hands up but under his armpits. Point being...in the same news story there are two completely conflicting accounts.
 
Objective Voice said:
You must be referring to Michael Brady, the witness who gives his account at the end of the CNN video segment. If so, then you know this witness clearly stated he likely did not see Michael Brown with is hands raised because he was coming out of his apartment at the time to record the rest of the scene. So, let's not gloss over all the other eyewitness accounts that was given throughout the video segment starting from the 0:21 mark on where, for example, the construction working in the green shirt says...

Or between the 1:00-1:12 mark this same witness raises his arms in the air to motion how he saw Michael Brown's hands at the time he was shot and states and is repeated as saying...

Or where at the 1:30 mark an unknown witness off camera can be heard yelling...

Don't gloss over the witnesses accounting or discount it just to frame your own idea of what happened and pass it off as truth. They saw what they saw. And enough people saw things in a very similar fashion to paint the police officer as in the wrong. Still, I'm very willing to wait until all the evidence comes out before saying guilty or innocent, murder or self-defense.
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These witnesses did not say they were hands up in the air surrendering.
And if the video is any indication of how the hands were up, that fits perfectly with the hearsay account of taunting the Officer, not up as in surrendering.

The original account of this topic was published on the 7th.

It is reported that the worker said the following.

Then Brown moved, the worker said. “He’s kind of walking back toward the cop.” He said Brown’s hands were still up.

Wilson began backing up as he fired, the worker said.

After the third shot, Brown’s hands started going down, and he moved about 25 feet toward Wilson, who kept backing away and firing. The worker said he could not tell from where he watched — about 50 feet away — if Brown’s motion toward Wilson after the shots was “a stumble to the ground” or “OK, I’m going to get you, you’re already shooting me.”
Workers who were witnesses provide new perspective on Michael Brown shooting : News​


Secondly, it is kind of obvious that many witnesses are just repeating what they heard from others.
This account may be no different.

It is reported that they were 50 feet away. And that simply isn't true. The workers notes indicate they were 40-50 yards away, not feet.
And if one estimates the distance they are at in the video, they are about 75 yards from the scene. And if in the the ditch they were digging in, further.
Then it is reported that he claims there were three cops at the time of the shooting.

As reported here.Exclusive: Witness claims he saw Michael Brown being shot | FOX2now.com

Previously posted images showing claimed distance to be in yards, and a measurement of the supposed distance.

Excon said:
The images are both scaled down for posting.
When enlarged to their natural size you can clearly make out the 40-50 yards as written by the witness.
As well as the distance gradations on the second image.

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https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/statement-1.png

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https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/statement-3.png
Credit for the images goes to The Conservative Treehouse and to thier poster called froggielegs for the measurement.
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Objective Voice said:
If I had to choose between a third-party witness accounting of what he was told happened versus those who actually witnessed what took place on the scene, I'd take the eyewitnesses account bar none.

Just saying...someone tells you what took place and you retell it to someone else, i.e, "he told me..." OR words straight from those who were there to see events unfold with their own eyes. You be the judge.
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You didn't read all of what you quoted?
It contains such an eyewitness account. An account that does match the hearsay account. :shrug:

And then there is an eyewitness and hearsay evidence spoke about during Tommy Sotomayor's Live cast.

Eyewitness account. Start @ the 12:30 mark. @ 13:30 mark he indicates Brown was moving towards the Officer.


Later on, another caller states that his cousin "Kendal" saw the whole thing (hearsay) and said that Dorian had a gun as he ran off. @1:42:00

And then tells us he was told @ 1:44:15 that Brown was screaming to the Officer, (taunting) “****you, come on then cracka”, as he was still coming at the Officer.





To the rest of what you said.
When someone tells you what happened and it doesn't sound credible to begin with and then they later change their accounts multiple times. They clearly are not credible.
PC, TM, and DJ all fall into that category. Liars.

If the video is any indication of how the hands were up, that fits perfectly with the hearsay account of taunting the Officer, not up as in surrendering.

Then we have both Dorian and the girl changing their accounts as to how the hands weren't actually up. Likely they have been told the surrendering bs isn't gonna fly.

Starting @ the 01:24 mark you can hear her change from her previous account to the new one of they "were just slowly going up, it probably didn't even get a chance to get all the way up there ..."
WTF?
Probably?
It?

She is lying. Just as Dorian is.

 
VanceMack said:
The witness at the end of the video said he was not turned away but was facing him and that he did not have his hands up but under his armpits. Point being...in the same news story there are two completely conflicting accounts.
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I believe we have two separate things being said by witnesses.

1.) The lie from Dorian, PC and TM, that his hands were up surrendering.
and
2.) the hands up in a taunting gesture towards the Officer, not in actual surrender.

#1 turns out to be lies. They have changed their accounts to say his hands were going up and it was just a little bit up at the very end. Which is not up surrendering as they previously said, and is drastically contrasted by what the worker shows and more in line with what Michael Brady states.


While #2 occurred while taunting the Officer prior to the all the shots in the front when Brown was approaching the Officer.
 
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