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Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

TheNextEra said:
As usual, you cannot refute what I said and instead resort to personal attacks. Just because they call themselves Islamic, doesn't make it so. But please continue with your foaming at the mouth comments.
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I laughed this afternoon when I heard Greg Gutfeld say that the "I" in "ISIS" doesn't stand for "igloo."
 
Grant said:
You and Nazi apologists seem to post this every chance you get. You must have this handy somewhere.

ISIL is an Islamic group. I think we should learn to take them at their word, accept it, and move on.
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Let's try an analogy that's sightly more working class:

Is this man both a Warrior and if yes, is he the Ultimate expression of that group?

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NIMBY said:
But nothing from my first three lines since you know they are true, right humboldt.
Says a lot for people who "like" what you said to me.

Please try to stay focused on the Present Moment of Awareness in the World--your President is--
congress with their vacations--not so much .
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You've got a real burr under your saddle.
 
TheNextEra said:
As usual, you cannot refute what I said and instead resort to personal attacks. Just because they call themselves Islamic, doesn't make it so. But please continue with your foaming at the mouth comments.
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Do you believe that Imams are Islamic? Do you believe that Imams who preach in Mosques are Islamic? Do you believe that Imams who preach in Mosques to Sunni Muslims are Islamic? Do you believe that Sunni Muslims who listen to the preachings of Imams in Mosques are Islamic? Do you believe that when certain Sunni Muslims who listen to the preachings of Imams in Mosques in the United States travel to Syria, Iraq, and other places in the world to follow the preachings of the Imams and assist in waging Jihad in the name of Allah are Islamic?

If you can answer no to all of these questions then I suppose you honestly do not believe that these individuals are in any way Islamic.
 
rcart76 said:
The KKK origin is Christian. So by this logic KKK = Christianity?
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Nope. Not by that logic. Christianity is not the defining element of the KKK. Radical Islam is the defining element of ISIS.
 
Montecresto said:
Well yeah you're cute. Probably think that you're removed from the rest of humanity in having never made a statement that an opportunist would exploit. You too think that Obama thinks that ISIS militants are Jews or Hindus, perhaps Episcopalian.
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Whatever they are, they're not Islamic....apparently.
 
Grant said:
Then it may have been wiser for him to not preach what Islam either is or isn't. He seems to deliberately put himself in these foolish situations which could be easily avoided. That he feels the need to express an unnecessary opinion seems to be a habit of his.
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So damned if he does, damned if he doesn't?

Explaining who the enemy is and who isn't the enemy is an important thing when trying to justify a conflict. And I see so many Americans think that Islam as a whole is a problem, he really has to explain that it isn't. That's him being the leader Republicans so love to claim he's not.
 
mac said:
Whatever they are, they're not Islamic....apparently.
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Or Obama is a politically correct idiot... apparently.
 
Lefties trying to persuade everyone else ISIS isn't Islamic because Obama said so. :rofl
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063746141 said:
Lefties trying to persuade everyone else ISIS isn't Islamic because Obama said so. :rofl
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Of course it's Islamic, just like the KKK is Christian. It isn't politically correct to say so though, it might make someone cry.
 
mac said:
Well, it's not like we can go on what he says, so what he thinks is just a guess, ain't it?
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Obama knows that their behavior isn't consistent with Islam despite their claims. Really all that matters, you and the others making hay with this are ok, it's what partisans do.
 
iguanaman said:
Just like the Klu Klux Clan is Christian in origin. Do you think they represent Christians or did they get their inspiration from the Koran?
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I'll tell ya what. I 'll go tell the head of the KKK he's not Christian and you go tell the head of ISIS he's not Muslim, and we'll get together after and compare notes.
 
Montecresto said:
Obama knows that their behavior isn't consistent with Islam despite their claims. Really all that matters, you and the others making hay with this are ok, it's what partisans do.
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It's pretty consistent with all the other Muslim Caliphates, historically speaking, so I'm not sure what you...and he...are basing such an idea.
 
Montecresto said:
Obama knows that their behavior isn't consistent with Islam despite their claims. Really all that matters, you and the others making hay with this are ok, it's what partisans do.
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Says who? Since there is no demonstrable "true" version of Islam, just like there isn't any demonstrable "true" version of Christianity, how do we know that their behavior isn't consistent with their particular interpretation of the Qur'an? After all, as I keep saying, there are more than 33,000 distinct sects of Christianity. Prove which one of them, if any, are consistent with Christianity.
 
Cephus said:
Of course it's Islamic, just like the KKK is Christian. It isn't politically correct to say so though, it might make someone cry.
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What a Despicable pieces of CRAP your posts on this topic are.

The Caliphate IS Emulating Mohammed.
The KKK is NOT Emulating Jesus.

Yours, posts, like Paschendale's on this Topic, are Horrendous and IGNORANT apologism and PC gone to hell.
ClueLess Filth.
A Disgrace to rational atheists.


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Note the below Bullcrap by Cephus did NOT/Could NOT answer my post.
Mohammed was a Warrior and Cleanser, UNLIKE Jesus.
'Caliphate' WAS THE objective of Islam, not a weird small 2000-yr-later renegade movement.
 
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mbig said:
What a Despicable pieces of CRAP your posts on this topic are.

The Caliphate is Emulating Mohammed.
The KKK is NOT emulating Jesus.

Yours, posts, like Paschendale's on this Topic are Horrendous and IGNORANT apologism and PC gone to hell.
ClueLess PC Filth.
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Maybe you need to actually do your research and stop acting like an ignorant git. The people who started the KKK (or any of the variant organizations that exist today) certainly use the Bible to justify their positions, they certainly claim to be Christians, etc. You're the one getting mad because you don't like to be painted with the same brush.

Maybe you ought to stop believing that idiotic Christian nonsense.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063746033 said:
No, if they believe they're Islamic that means they are.
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Another ignorant comment to add to the pile.

Note: Believing something doesn't mean it's true. Remember Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny, you do know they aren't real, don't you? :lamo
 
kramercat said:
"Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim."

Oh really? There has been an ongoing war, even before ISIS, with Sunni and Shia Muslims killing each other, and both killing Christians - so exactly who is innocent and who is guilty?

Whether you like it or not, the name of the terrorist group is 'Islamic State'. They want a government governed strictly by Sharia, or Islamic, law. So yes, they are Islamic - the most fundamentalist form of Islam, but Islam. The Muslims are waiting for their 'Mahdi' - who is the anti-Christ. The Islamic religion itself is anti-Christian. It was created to directly oppose the notion that Jesus Christ died for the sins of mankind, and the Koran says explicitly that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God. So who is so adamantly opposed to Christ? I mean, there is no other religion that takes the religious text of another religion and twists it around to mean something else. The Virgin Mary appears in the Koran, as well as Jesus... only their roles have been changed. Those who think that they are following the same God of Abraham are mistaken - Allah is the ancient moon-god, and the crescent and star derive from him. So who is it that desperately wants mankind to NOT accept Jesus Christ as Savior - why the devil, of course.

Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic" | Video | RealClearPolitics
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Of course ISIS isn't Islamic. The KKK wasn't Christian and the Buddhist sect that let sarin gas in Tokyo weren't Buddhist.

They can claim to represent anything they want but that does not make it so.
 
It is amazing the number of groups that don't represent true Islam. I hope there is at least one that does.
 
Texmex said:
Another ignorant comment to add to the pile.

Note: Believing something doesn't mean it's true. Remember Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny, you do know they aren't real, don't you? :lamo
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No but it makes them a believer in one of those things. Religion is a belief. If someone believes they are a Christian, they are a Christian. If someone believes they are a Muslim, they are a Muslim. That's how it works.
 
kramercat said:
"Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim."

Oh really? There has been an ongoing war, even before ISIS, with Sunni and Shia Muslims killing each other, and both killing Christians - so exactly who is innocent and who is guilty?

Whether you like it or not, the name of the terrorist group is 'Islamic State'. They want a government governed strictly by Sharia, or Islamic, law. So yes, they are Islamic - the most fundamentalist form of Islam, but Islam. The Muslims are waiting for their 'Mahdi' - who is the anti-Christ. The Islamic religion itself is anti-Christian. It was created to directly oppose the notion that Jesus Christ died for the sins of mankind, and the Koran says explicitly that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God. So who is so adamantly opposed to Christ? I mean, there is no other religion that takes the religious text of another religion and twists it around to mean something else. The Virgin Mary appears in the Koran, as well as Jesus... only their roles have been changed. Those who think that they are following the same God of Abraham are mistaken - Allah is the ancient moon-god, and the crescent and star derive from him. So who is it that desperately wants mankind to NOT accept Jesus Christ as Savior - why the devil, of course.

Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic" | Video | RealClearPolitics
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I nearly fell off my chair laughing when "Hussein" suggested ISIL is not Islamic.
 
Tettsuo said:
If you claim to be Christian, but don't believe Jesus is God, are you really Christian?
If you claim to be a follower of Judism, but you don't observe the sabbath, are you really a follower of Judism?
If you claim to be Buddist, but you don't believe in karma or reincarnation, are you Buddist?

I think that's what Obama was saying. If you claim to be a follower of Islam, but you kill innocent children, are you really a follower of Islam? Obama is saying that ISIL is not because they do not actually follow important Islamic teachings.
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Obama is not too bright.
 
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