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Obama: "ISIL Is Not Islamic"

NIMBY said:
A very poor diversion off of one of his lines about Christianity to bash Catholics.
Why didn't you point out the failings of the rest of the Christian religions?
Such as the gathering that booed Sen. Te4d Cruz off the stage for tring to divides Christians and Jews .
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Good morning NIMBY

Tell you what, I won't tell you what comments or connections to make and you won't have to try to dictate what points I will make in my comments, deal?
 
Cephus said:
Yes, I mean ISIL doesn't mean "Islamic State of Syria and the Levant" or anything. Nope, nothing Islamic there! :roll:
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ISIL=Islamic State of Iraq/Levant.
 
Montecresto said:
Yet he became president, not once, but twice. And he has been a Christian for 2-3 decades. Or was the guy that just beheaded a woman in London, who had converted to Muslim five years ago, really still a Christian, or whatever he had been prior to his conversion?
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This brings up a good point that regardless of the religion, crazy is crazy, and fanaticism seems to be the problem more than a particular religion. OT has some pretty rough solutions for problems that we don't follow because of our laws and separation of church and state.
 
Cephus said:
How do you prove they're not? How do you prove which, if any, Christian denomination is or is not Christian? Because you believe it?
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So if you believe they're Islamic, does that mean they are?
 
rocket88 said:
Or you have trouble understanding. Apparently that's a common problem among Conservatives today.
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LOL

Your really on it today 88. So lets see:

ISIS is to Islam as Westboro is to Christianity


As I understood it, you're suggesting Westboro doesn't represent Christianity any more than ISIS represent Islam.

Agreed, Westboro doesn't represent Christianity. But ISIL? It most certainly does represent Islam. Obviously it does. A wicked warped version, but most certainly to it's follower, Islam for sure. That may not represent how some people want Islam to be viewed for, but that is just delusional thinking.

If tens of thousands joined Westboro, it wouldn't be possible to argue they don't represent Christianity, at least in the warped twisted way the view it.

But to make such a nonexistent comparison, and then seek to offend to defend it, is pretty lame.
 
rocket88 said:
Why would you say it's nonsense? How Christian is Westboro's actions?

I don't know how many times I can say that I didn't compare Westboro to ISIS.

"Corvette is to boat as dog poop is to food" is not saying that a Corvette is dog poop.
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Sorry Rocket - not buying this one - it was a nonsense statement because the analogy was so defective because the comparison was absurd. There is nothing in any other religion that is marginally close to what ISIS/ISIL/IS represents.
 
Montecresto said:
No, we can't. He's been praised for his ability to articulate a position. Not unlike Bush recently praised Clinton for the same, in fact if you had heard Bush licking on Clinton a couple days ago, you'd have thrown up in your mouth a little bit I'm sure CJ. But compared to Bush, both Clinton and Obama are miles ahead in vocabulary and articulation. Though everybody makes a gaff. Let me ask you, do you think that Obama thinks that IS is secular, or perhaps aligns themselves more with Krishna, or Zoroaster.
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I've got better things to do with my life than try to figure out what goes on in Obama's mind. I'm quite satisfied to limit my involvement with Obama to what the man says and then commenting on the idiocy of it.
 
rocket88 said:
Or you have trouble understanding. Apparently that's a common problem among Conservatives today.
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Have you ever considered making an intelligent statement that distinguishes your position as more valid instead of all the simple-minded apologia? What's next -- "Conservaties are big pooopooheads?"

If you understanding nothing at all more complex than "I gotta take the opposite position of conservatve", you really don't have much.
 
Tettsuo said:
If you claim to be Christian, but don't believe Jesus is God, are you really Christian?
If you claim to be a follower of Judism, but you don't observe the sabbath, are you really a follower of Judism?
If you claim to be Buddist, but you don't believe in karma or reincarnation, are you Buddist?

I think that's what Obama was saying. If you claim to be a follower of Islam, but you kill innocent children, are you really a follower of Islam? Obama is saying that ISIL is not because they do not actually follow important Islamic teachings.
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If I have to take a Muslims word for what Islam is, or what a Christian says it is, I would lean toward the Muslim. Unless Obama is still a Muslim, of course.
 
Pit bulls are not really dogs.

I arrived at that conclusion in remarkably easy fashion. You see, since pit bulls are responsible for more deaths than rottweilers, and rottweilers are responsible for more deaths than beagles, the fact that there are beagles in the world means that Pit Bulls are not dogs.

Brilliant, ain't it?
 
rocket88 said:
So if you believe they're Islamic, does that mean they are?
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I don't "believe" they're Islamic, they self-identify as Islamic. So yes, that means that they are, or at the very least, that they think that they are. Since there is no definition of what constitutes a Muslim, I'm entirely fine to let anyone who claims to be one actually be one.
 
ludin said:
Umm yes it is.

ISIS or ISIL

Islamic state of Iraq and Syria or Islamic state in Iraq and Levant (which is a much larger territory than just syria. it includes lebanon and Jordan.

This group is a very fundimentalist islamic group. so yes they are islamic.
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They are made up of people that self identify as muslims. That doesn't make them Islamic any more than my favorite hip hop group Young Black Teenagers is made up of well, young black teenagers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrceRwa8rPc
 
CanadaJohn said:
I've got better things to do with my life than try to figure out what goes on in Obama's mind. I'm quite satisfied to limit my involvement with Obama to what the man says and then commenting on the idiocy of it.
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Not unlike the lefts response during Bush's tenure.
 
rocket88 said:
Well there wasn't much "democratic" about the "German Democratic Republic" or the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea."

(That's East Germany and North Korea, in case you weren't clear).
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These excuses are often used by leftists to claim that what groups call themselves doesn't necessarily reflect who they really are, and that can occasionally be the case. But in this instance there is really no doubt who these people are nor that they are following the teachings of the Koran.
 
longview said:
As distasteful as Westboro has been, So far as I know they have not been accredited
with any beheadings.
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If Westboro had the ability to kill and get away with it, you don't think they would? Remember their signs like: "God hates fags" or "Burn in hell fag?" These despicable people would do far worse if they were able to do it.
 
kramercat said:
"Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim."

Oh really? There has been an ongoing war, even before ISIS, with Sunni and Shia Muslims killing each other, and both killing Christians - so exactly who is innocent and who is guilty?

Whether you like it or not, the name of the terrorist group is 'Islamic State'. They want a government governed strictly by Sharia, or Islamic, law. So yes, they are Islamic - the most fundamentalist form of Islam, but Islam. The Muslims are waiting for their 'Mahdi' - who is the anti-Christ. The Islamic religion itself is anti-Christian. It was created to directly oppose the notion that Jesus Christ died for the sins of mankind, and the Koran says explicitly that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God. So who is so adamantly opposed to Christ? I mean, there is no other religion that takes the religious text of another religion and twists it around to mean something else. The Virgin Mary appears in the Koran, as well as Jesus... only their roles have been changed. Those who think that they are following the same God of Abraham are mistaken - Allah is the ancient moon-god, and the crescent and star derive from him. So who is it that desperately wants mankind to NOT accept Jesus Christ as Savior - why the devil, of course.

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He's lost it.

To be fair I suspect he is trying to say that these Muslims do not follow the true faith, that Islam is a religion of peace, which it is. So if Christianity and a lot of bodies have been wracked up, Christian against Christian.

He is playing to American Muslims who are feeling some heat.

However, his choice of words, used in his "I am the BOSS' fashion presents a very stupid message where he appears to be waging war against extremist militants by declaring they are not something they have clearly said they are and are continuing the tradition of killing each other a la the middle ages, which is where most of the practitioners of the faith appear to live, the middle ages where hangings, baby killing, beheadings and burning at the stake were very popular.

But once again his arrogance defeats him. As president he believes he is the expert in all things, from global warming to Ebola to Islam, where what he should be doing is having his "experts" explain how this sect/movement/terrorist cell is different from those of the faith now living in the US.

He hasn't figured out that 60% of Americans don't trust him anymore and he needs to close the pie hole
 
sawdust said:
He was brought up a muslim, went to school in madrassas, and believes that he has to be careful not to inflame billions of other Muslims by painting them all with the same brush. I get that. The problem is that most Muslims share some beliefs with the radicals. Few Muslims support Israel's right to exist as an example, even the so called moderates living in the Middle East. The moderates may not believe in head chopping but there aren't many moderates that rise up in support of defeating the radicals and the radicals will not be defeated until it is seen as uncool in common Islamic societies.

I don't think Obama is an idiot. He just doesn't have enough common sense to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions on the heel.
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Wow, what garbage!
 
humbolt said:
Oh NIMBY. Dont' be such a drama queen. You don't have to do battle. Live, love and laugh. It's much, much better for you. And besides, ISIS is Islamic in origen - or did you think they got their inspiration from Jerry Falwell?
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The KKK origin is Christian. So by this logic KKK = Christianity?
 
rocket88 said:
Well there wasn't much "democratic" about the "German Democratic Republic" or the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea."

(That's East Germany and North Korea, in case you weren't clear).
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:lamo :lamo :lamo
 
rcart76 said:
The KKK origin is Christian. So by this logic KKK = Christianity?
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When you can prove that large numbers of people of Christian faiths support the actions/efforts of the KKK just as large numbers of people of Islamic and Muslim faiths support the actions/efforts of ISIL/ISIS/IS then you might have a point.
 
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