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Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

Sherman123 said:
The fact that Havana is so desperate to end the embargo is a sign that it works. We should not end the embargo and instead should continue to use it as a lever for forcing the democratization and liberalization of that authoritarian island.
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So if that were the case how come there are no US embargos on Saudi Arabia , Qatar , Kuwait etc etc ?
 
I don't get it. I know Fidel was considered a bastard, though I kinda admired him. Cuba is the perfect investment and vacation spot. Great beaches, great casino opportunities, and beautiful women...
 
Sherman123 said:
The fact that Havana is so desperate to end the embargo is a sign that it works. We should not end the embargo and instead should continue to use it as a lever for forcing the democratization and liberalization of that authoritarian island.
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At this rate, in 50 years, they'll be full fledged democratic socialists. Good strategy.
 
kramercat said:
We need to end the stupid Cuban embargo... like now.

"the Americans have lost nearly all international support for the embargo since the collapse of the Soviet Union. No other nation besides the United States has an economic embargo against Cuba."


Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion
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i dont think ending the embargo will help cubans at all so long as fidel still pulls strings behind the scenes,he is the wealthiest dictator alive and has siphoned much of what the country produced over the years.

raul on the other hand has slowly reversed fidels policies,and can be seen as better towards guiding cuba away from a dictatorship state capitalism.raul was never much a supporter of the comunist state as fidel and che were.so long as fidel stays in the shadows,cuba will not progress even with trade.
 
oneworld2 said:
The above is just the norm , Cuban Medical Internationalism is amazing for a small and poor country imo



Cuban medical internationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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cuba actually has well trained doctors,their issue isnt training,its lack of supplies and facilities.part of their main issue is lack of funds for basic medical supplies,further the international comunity is reluctant to donate after canada donated vaccines to cuba,which sold them for profit instead of using them.
 
Hatuey said:
I'll bring the sauerkraut. You bring the chips?
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The Castros are almost dead. Cubans will be free soon enough, without blaming the struggle for human rights and representation on the West.
 
beerftw said:
cuba actually has well trained doctors,their issue isnt training,its lack of supplies and facilities.part of their main issue is lack of funds for basic medical supplies,further the international comunity is reluctant to donate after canada donated vaccines to cuba,which sold them for profit instead of using them.
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Thanks for that ,I'm not aware of that story tbh so will check it out.

I think many people make the mistake of comparing healthcare in Cuba to healthcare in Western countries. It should be compared with other poor countries instead. Then people would see just how hugely impressive things are in Cuba with regards to healthcare for the population
 
What's the 'estimated' cost of decades under Communism? (one of the worst examples of Communism, BTW)
 
ecofarm said:
The Castros are almost dead. Cubans will be free soon enough, without blaming the struggle for human rights and representation on the West.
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" Free " to be like what ? The way they were before the revolution ( an offshore brothel for rich Westerners ) ? " Free " to be like Haiti perhaps ?

It's rich to see an American criticizing human rights abuses in Cuba when by far the worst human rights abuses in Cuba occur in the part of Cuba occupied by the USA itself
 
oneworld2 said:
It's rich to see an American criticizing human rights abuses in Cuba when by far the worst human rights abuses in Cuba occur in the part of Cuba occupied by the USA itself
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Yes, locking up terrorists caught on the battlefield is far worse than totalitarianism. I've rarely seen such ignorance.
 
jmotivator said:
Engaging in free trade with a brutal communist dictatorship is not the principled position.
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Since when has America ever been interested in the "principled position"?

They supported the brutal dictatorship of Batista for business interests that lead to the wider support for the communist rebels in the first place...

By opening trade with Cuba and making them play by the same trading rules as everyone else, you gain 12 million consumers for your products and you strengthen the forces of reform and freedom.
 
Sherman123 said:
The fact that Havana is so desperate to end the embargo is a sign that it works. We should not end the embargo and instead should continue to use it as a lever for forcing the democratization and liberalization of that authoritarian island.
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It works?


And how is Cuba desperate?

They've been sticking their **** finger in America's eye for a half a century!

I guess it doesn't matter to you that whole silly paranoid mess is illegal and that the US is all alone in the world in their war against the Cuba people.


Look, if Cuba is run by a tyrant, is harboring terrorists as the US has claimed for 50 years why the hell are you fighting terrorists half a world away when you have this terrible threat right on your pathetic doorstep?

The largest, most well fed, well equipped fighting force in the world, more nukes than all other countries combines, a spy network larger than some countries and you quiver and quake at a little Caribbean island. Meanwhile you president wars against regimes across the middle east and eastern Europe.

I call that cowardice. If they are so bad and you are so tough, why not invade again...

Oh, right you got sent home the last time.
 
beerftw said:
i dont think ending the embargo will help cubans at all so long as fidel still pulls strings behind the scenes,he is the wealthiest dictator alive and has siphoned much of what the country produced over the years.

raul on the other hand has slowly reversed fidels policies,and can be seen as better towards guiding cuba away from a dictatorship state capitalism.raul was never much a supporter of the comunist state as fidel and che were.so long as fidel stays in the shadows,cuba will not progress even with trade.
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Obviously you have never been to Cuba and know only what your government tells you.

Despite the US embargo, attempts by the CIA to destroy the sugar crop and with declining aid from Russia in the last two decades, the Castro regime has forged Cuba into one of the leading economies in the Caribbean. Their health care is rated among the best in the world, and the very best in the Caribbean.

Fidel and Raul have deep respect in the international community, Fidel was among many heads of state for the funeral of former prime minister Pierre Trudeau.

The US, in shame of being exposed for the state supported terrorism of the Mafia bosses in the 50's and 60's maintains this myth sop they can appear like tough guys.

The world is laughing at you
 
Jetboogieman said:
Since when has America ever been interested in the "principled position"?

They supported the brutal dictatorship of Batista for business interests that lead to the wider support for the communist rebels in the first place...

By opening trade with Cuba and making them play by the same trading rules as everyone else, you gain 12 million consumers for your products and you strengthen the forces of reform and freedom.
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No, no you don't. You live under the naive assumption that free trade with Cuba results in free trade for the Cuban people. This is obviously not the case as you can see in the squalor the majority of Cubans live in even while Cuba has open trade with Russian, Canada and Europe.

Also, your argument with regard to Batista is what is known as a "tu quoque" fallacy.
 
ecofarm said:
Yes, locking up terrorists caught on the battlefield is far worse than totalitarianism. I've rarely seen such ignorance.
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I see you skipped the part about what Cubans are " free " to become once the Castros are gone or what preceded them.

You are aware that in the early part of the Afghanistan invasion and occupation the US military were giving out $ 5,000 " rewards " for anyone handing over " terrorists " ? In a dirt poor country I'm sure that that is open to abuse

See , people like you think that so long as you are the ones giving out the labels all else doesn't matter. I don't think you think things through properly
 
Anthony60 said:
Hmmm... what was our total damage? I would end it, but only if the Castros and the communist government are gone. In fact, we should just take a page out of Putin's book and take it over. So, let's storm the place, capture (read:kill) the commie leaders, free the oppressed people, and make Cuba a territory of the USA. Our big corporations could crank up that economy and start creating jobs like crazy.
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I believe that is exactly what Cubans don't want. Nor I, for that matter. Cuba-best medical care in the Western hemisphere. No Monsantos. No Exxon/Mobils. No JPMorgans. No Goldman Sachs. No Energy politics running their Nation. Why would they want any big corporations to crank up their economy. Maybe Big Corporations are the problem, not the solution.
 
Fearandloathing said:
It works?


And how is Cuba desperate?

They've been sticking their **** finger in America's eye for a half a century!

I guess it doesn't matter to you that whole silly paranoid mess is illegal and that the US is all alone in the world in their war against the Cuba people.


Look, if Cuba is run by a tyrant, is harboring terrorists as the US has claimed for 50 years why the hell are you fighting terrorists half a world away when you have this terrible threat right on your pathetic doorstep?

The largest, most well fed, well equipped fighting force in the world, more nukes than all other countries combines, a spy network larger than some countries and you quiver and quake at a little Caribbean island. Meanwhile you president wars against regimes across the middle east and eastern Europe.

I call that cowardice. If they are so bad and you are so tough, why not invade again...

Oh, right you got sent home the last time.
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Are you advocating an invasion to overthrow the Cuban despotism? I'm game.
 
Sherman123 said:
Awfully dangerous place to be in an invasion but at least we can agree on the importance of bringing democracy to Cuba.
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When you actually HAVE democracy to bring and they ASK for it....MAYBE I will agree with you.

But I don't see much "democracy" in the Excited States. And I guess you missed my post about how Cuba is a more attractive tourist destination than your filthy, crime ridden cities.

BTW, I LOVE how America brought "democracy" to Iraq, Iran in the days of the Shah and how they so wonderfully supported "democracy" in Cuba through it's puppet, Mafia controlled government. When you actually get to live in a "democracy instead of an overblown plutocracy where lobbyists and money call the shots, then talk to me about "bringing democracy."
 
beerftw said:
cuba actually has well trained doctors,their issue isnt training,its lack of supplies and facilities.part of their main issue is lack of funds for basic medical supplies,further the international comunity is reluctant to donate after canada donated vaccines to cuba,which sold them for profit instead of using them.
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I've done a little googling and can't find any references for your claim , can you provide any links for it ?
 
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