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Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

Unfortunately, it will never happen. If we don't get our cheap electronics, we would have a melt down.

Well, we can always find someone else to make cheap electronics. It's not a skill unique to communist dictatorships.
 
Yeah, sure...invade another country, what the hell?

I think that's what started this stand off, the US invading with the mafia as a front and Castro kicked their ass out

Maybe you're right. Carpet bombing them into submission would be better. Only the oppressive government, of course, not the people. Kill the Castros and their buddies, then we will bomb them with freedom.
 
Oh, jeez. That would be one hell of a policy. We don't care about the government of a country. Well, right now the Cuban culture is one of government oppression. I don't welcome that.

Do you know what culture is?
 
Yeah, sure...invade another country, what the hell?

I think that's what started this stand off, the US invading with the mafia as a front and Castro kicked their ass out

Besides, if we land too many troops there, the island would undoubtedly capsize.
 
Well than that's you. I prefer not to look like hypocrites embargoing one country, but allowing many others that violate human rights.

I am calling for an embargo of other countries so I am not a hypocrite.

Also, the hypocrite label as a pejorative is over played. Changing a policy so that you are wrong across the board in order to end hypocrisy is just stupid.

That is like a parent who can no longer live with themselves due to the hypocrisy of teaching their kids not to smoke while they themselves smoke... so they buy their kids cigarettes.
 
hail to the king, get embargoed by us and you lose hundreds of billions. suckers.

ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE

The embargo is still going...... *sigh*
 
Having been to Cuba many times, I have always wondered why?

What threat from this tiny little island of friendly Caribbeans could be so great American must inflict so much damage on her?

Cuba and Canada share a great feat in history, being two nations that have repelled American invasions, Canada twice. The US maintains a naval base there, against the wishes of the government, which seems like bullying to me. BTW, the base looks ****ing ridiculous from the land side, so much security makes it look like their afraid.

But what is it that America clings to in this new world order? This new age where she trades even with "Red China", Vietnam is now a friendly touristy destination, Russia and America share space missions, but little Cuba with beautiful tropics and sunsets to die for, is held with contempt to the point the US denies them medications and hospital supplies, refuses to buy her sugar, preferring instead to subsidize your local producers.

It makes no sense to me, nor the fact I get seriously screwed over trying to visit the US because I have Cuban stamps in my passport..."What they hell does any red blooded Canadian do on a tropical island officer? Try to get laid! The tan is automatic. Or do you think "commie" is contagious?"

Oh...and another thing? Their auto mechanics are the best in the world. They have 1940's cars running better than some of the new ones and they can't import parts for them, they have to make them.

"Canada and Cuba share a great feat..."

If the US invaded canada for some extremely mentally retarded reason today canada would be scraped.

As for our "invasion of Cuba"

yeeaaaaaahhh, we "truly" invaded them alright.
 
You picked one country and labeled as oppressing it's people, so we need to embargo it. But you aren't willing to do it to China. Hypocrite much?

The US and EU have embargoes on China.

Technology embargoes. Weapons specifically.

We won't even give China a tommy gun, that's how strict the weapons technologies embargo is. And we more or less forced the EU to follow suit.
 
Oh, but I wasn't referring to China, or Saudi Arabia. I was talking about Cuba. Clearly these are different countries, at different locations, with different populations, and with different relationships with us.

Yeah they are different, the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, not Cuba. But hey you would rather deal with Saudi Arabia and China along with their hacking, human rights violations instead of Cuba. Time to get out of the Cold war son, it's over.
 
I am calling for an embargo of other countries so I am not a hypocrite.

Also, the hypocrite label as a pejorative is over played. Changing a policy so that you are wrong across the board in order to end hypocrisy is just stupid.

That is like a parent who can no longer live with themselves due to the hypocrisy of teaching their kids not to smoke while they themselves smoke... so they buy their kids cigarettes.

Hypocrisy is saying we will deal with this dictator and human rights violator because we REALLY like what they have versus another.

The U.S. IS hypocritical in that nature. both Dems and GOP alike.
 
"Canada and Cuba share a great feat..."

If the US invaded canada for some extremely mentally retarded reason today canada would be scraped.

As for our "invasion of Cuba"

yeeaaaaaahhh, we "truly" invaded them alright.



What do you call the bay of pigs?

And I said nothing about today, put away the six guns, you'd be nuked by Russia if you tried.

The FACT as stated is truth. The United States invaded Canada by attacking the citadel at Quebec City in 1776, the forces were repelled with large losses. The expeditionary force attempted to escape by building boats out of green wood which sank in the St. Laurence river.

In 1812 the Americans tried to seize lake Erie and were driven into safe harbor in Ohio where they remained for the duration of the war.

That same year a force of Americans attempting to capture the Niagara peninsula was discovered by a young farm girl named Laura Secord who led her cattle through American lines and warned a force of Huron and Canadian settlers led by a British colonel who drove the Americans into Lake Erie.

You were beat.

We also own your ass in hockey and Cubans are better at baseball.
 
We need to end the stupid Cuban embargo... like now.

"the Americans have lost nearly all international support for the embargo since the collapse of the Soviet Union. No other nation besides the United States has an economic embargo against Cuba."


Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

I completely agree with you and don't hold out any hope of compensation for the Cubans

The cold war stance/justification was that it was a " soviet satellite" but then that excludes the fact that initially the Cuban revolutionary leadership wished to be part of the non aligned states and eventually had no alternative but to seek soviet assistance.

The ridiculousness of the embargo was further highlighted after the demise of the USSR with the Helms Burton Act which amongst other things includes

International Sanctions against the Cuban Government. Economic embargo, any non-U.S. company that deals economically with Cuba can be subjected to legal action and that company's leadership can be barred from entry into the United States. Sanctions may be applied to non-U.S. companies trading with Cuba. This means that internationally operating companies have to choose between Cuba and the U.S., which is a much larger market.

Helms

I'm not sure whether people here know or not but Cuba does have some organized democratic participation in the National Assembly of Peoples Power

National Assembly of People's Power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe when the US is satisfied with a meaningful democracy in Cuba they might role the project out at home ( btw it's the same here in the UK imo )
 
The US and EU have embargoes on China.

Technology embargoes. Weapons specifically.

We won't even give China a tommy gun, that's how strict the weapons technologies embargo is. And we more or less forced the EU to follow suit.

Fair enough. I was talking to the extent of the Cuban Embargo, but good point.
 
I seem to recall that after the Cuban revolution, the state confiscated the land and business assets of American citizens and restitution has never been made in this regard. Is there any other country in the world that America has open economic relations with where similar state seizures have occurred and not been rectified? Along those same lines, there are many Cubans who saw their land and assets seized and had to flee in order to save their own lives - what restitution is being offered to these families?

... Lol... Canadians really shouldn't be talking about restitution of land. They're not all that willing to give back any of the land the British took away from Native Americans by force. As a matter of fact, any of the land which has been returned has been embargoed in much of the same way which the US embargoes Canada. Wait, why is restitution of land a precondition for lifting the embargo? Have we embargoed South Africa? What about the Philippines? What about China? What about Haiti? Americans lost property in every single one of those countries and at no point has restitution of land been a precondition for trade with them.
 
You picked one country and labeled as oppressing it's people, so we need to embargo it. But you aren't willing to do it to China. Hypocrite much?

To say that makes no sense at all is putting it mildly. It"s borderline idiotic. Obama might do it.
 
Yeah they are different, the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, not Cuba. But hey you would rather deal with Saudi Arabia and China along with their hacking, human rights violations instead of Cuba. Time to get out of the Cold war son, it's over.

Jeffery Dahmer killed innocent people and was German. Should we have attacked Germany?
 
What do you call the bay of pigs?

And I said nothing about today, put away the six guns, you'd be nuked by Russia if you tried.

The FACT as stated is truth. The United States invaded Canada by attacking the citadel at Quebec City in 1776, the forces were repelled with large losses. The expeditionary force attempted to escape by building boats out of green wood which sank in the St. Laurence river.

In 1812 the Americans tried to seize lake Erie and were driven into safe harbor in Ohio where they remained for the duration of the war...

I am just wondering what the point is as applied to today's discussion? Are you trying to say that we would lose a conflict with either of those countries? I mean Cuba, that might take a weekend. And Canada? Why bother?
 
Jeffery Dahmer killed innocent people and was German. Should we have attacked Germany?

Yet you want to punish a country for something they said DECADES ago. Also you claim they are oppresive, well so is ALOT of countries we deal with and the U.S. has no problem with that. Again, the cold war is over, I will cheer when Cold War idiots go out to pasture.
 
What do you call the bay of pigs?

And I said nothing about today, put away the six guns, you'd be nuked by Russia if you tried.

The FACT as stated is truth. The United States invaded Canada by attacking the citadel at Quebec City in 1776, the forces were repelled with large losses. The expeditionary force attempted to escape by building boats out of green wood which sank in the St. Laurence river.

In 1812 the Americans tried to seize lake Erie and were driven into safe harbor in Ohio where they remained for the duration of the war.

That same year a force of Americans attempting to capture the Niagara peninsula was discovered by a young farm girl named Laura Secord who led her cattle through American lines and warned a force of Huron and Canadian settlers led by a British colonel who drove the Americans into Lake Erie.

You were beat.

We also own your ass in hockey and Cubans are better at baseball.

The battle of Quebec was in 1775 no? Because last time I checked, the USA came into existence in 1776 ;P

Bay of Pigs was hardly a US invasion, US troops didn't even fight.

You beat America once, be proud of it, but don't overstep your boundaries.
 
I am just wondering what the point is as applied to today's discussion? Are you trying to say that we would lose a conflict with either of those countries? I mean Cuba, that might take a weekend. And Canada? Why bother?

You are free to draw whatever conclusions/ideas you like. I stated a factual anecdote, someone got mad and started ranting about "if it happened today you'd be toast"...

which is idiocy enough for one day...
 
And now those Cuban bastards are sending 165 health professionals to help with the Ebola breakout. Will there be no end to their defiant acts. I bet each one will convert 3 people to communism while they are there. And those 3 people will convert 3 people, until the whole world is communist...with socialized medicine. Damn you Castro and your sneaky plans to rule the world.
 
And now those Cuban bastards are sending 165 health professionals to help with the Ebola breakout. Will there be no end to their defiant acts. I bet each one will convert 3 people to communism while they are there. And those 3 people will convert 3 people, until the whole world is communist...with socialized medicine. Damn you Castro and your sneaky plans to rule the world.

The above is just the norm , Cuban Medical Internationalism is amazing for a small and poor country imo

"Cuba has 42,000 workers in international collaborations in 103 different countries, of whom more than 30,000 are health personnel, including no fewer than 19,000 physicians."[2] Cuba provides more medical personnel to the developing world than all the G8 countries combined,[2] although this comparison does not take into account G8 development aid spent on developing world healthcare.

Cuban medical internationalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
We need to end the stupid Cuban embargo... like now.

"the Americans have lost nearly all international support for the embargo since the collapse of the Soviet Union. No other nation besides the United States has an economic embargo against Cuba."


Cuba estimates total damage of U.S. embargo at $116.8 billion

The fact that Havana is so desperate to end the embargo is a sign that it works. We should not end the embargo and instead should continue to use it as a lever for forcing the democratization and liberalization of that authoritarian island.
 
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