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SouthernDemocrat said:
I am not sure what purpose is of debating the meaning of the term feral, but feral always refers to animals of a domesticated species living in the wild. Examples: Feral hogs, feral cats, feral goats, feral dogs.

Feral hogs are a huge problem throughout the South. Feral cats are a big problem just about everywhere.
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I'm not sure either...I guess some people have waaay too much time on their hands.

I didn't write the definition..take it up with the people who do....

now back to that painf
 
sangha said:
OK, let's focus on the culture. Do you think the kids involved in attacks like these are the kids of middle class parents? Upper class? Lower?
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Are you saying that different classes of people exist? Are you saying that in those classes different cultures are accepted that are not in other classes? Or are you talking about income rather than class sine to otherwise would be to turn this from a diversion based on race to a diversion based on class of the perpetrators? I refuse to discuss or agree that different classes exist. We are all equal citizens. We all equal opportunity. However, equal opportunity does not translate to equal outcome.

And as for the kids in the video, I have no idea what income level they come from. What difference does that make? And, why should it? Does a lower or higher income level give a person an entitlement to be violent, or restrict a person from being violent? What does how much money you have, have to do with the way you treat others?
 
Fearandloathing said:
Oh....GEE...


Maybe to highlight the fact two of three definitions are different than the singular claim?

I can't believe we're having a ****ing debate about a text book definition of a two syllable word.


I think I need to go watch some paint dry
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Didn't you inject yourself, or do you feel that somebody pushed you in? Watch grass grow, its a better occupation. I will agree with you that we lost our topic, and welcome getting back on course. ;)
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Oh....GEE...


Maybe to highlight the fact two of three definitions are different than the singular claim?

I can't believe we're having a ****ing debate about a text book definition of a two syllable word.


I think I need to go watch some paint dry
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You ever try watching flies ****? Very relaxing.. lol
 
Beaudreaux said:
...I refuse to discuss or agree that different classes exist. We are all equal citizens. We all equal opportunity....
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Refusing to see socio-economic class differences means that you refuse to see reality. We are theoretically equal under the law, but even that ideal has not been achieved. A person's socio-economic class determines he quality of the education they receive, even in public schools, and how they will be treated by police and the rest of the justice system. In the private sector there are no legal protections for social classes and class discrimination is standard operating procedure.
 
Hard Truth said:
Refusing to see socio-economic class differences means that you refuse to see reality. We are theoretically equal under the law, but even that ideal has not been achieved. A person's socio-economic class determines he quality of the education they receive, even in public schools, and how they will be treated by police and the rest of the justice system. In the private sector there are no legal protections for social classes and class discrimination is standard operating procedure.
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This is called the "victim" mentality, and I can assure you every single person in that mob has it.
 
Gringo allstar said:
Sometimes when you see the state of our beloved nation, it's either laugh or cry!
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I'm a laughter type of guy. In my personal life. when confronted with something adverse or seemingly dire, my first thought is "uh oh" ( the realization sets in).... m my second thought is "this will make a funny story some day ( always do ); but it seems impossible to see any entertaining stories coming from the state of our nation today.

c'est la vie

Celebrate something good today

Thom Paine
 
People try to use part of a dictionary definition (a colloquial use of the term) to define a concept. Amazing.

And why do we have this idiocy? Because they want to defend using the term feral in regard to a group of black people. We've explained:

1. Feral refers to animals, not people.
2. Feral means once domesticated.
2a. Presumably, slavery.
2b. Thus, it's implied slavery was good for black people.

We've explain it.

But no, they continue to defend the use of the term in such a manner and they refuse to recognize the meaning of the concept of feral and the implications of using the term in regard to blacks.

And the same people will tell you there is no systemic racism in the US.
 
Hard Truth said:
Refusing to see socio-economic class differences means that you refuse to see reality. We are theoretically equal under the law, but even that ideal has not been achieved. A person's socio-economic class determines he quality of the education they receive, even in public schools, and how they will be treated by police and the rest of the justice system. In the private sector there are no legal protections for social classes and class discrimination is standard operating procedure.
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Anyone... ANYONE... that has the mental capacity and physical capacity (not disabled by mental illness or physical deformity - although a lot of them find success as well) that wants to rise up out of poverty can do just that. There are examples every day from every race and every socioeconomic group (notice I said group, not class). So your premise, is just class warfare at its base. Blame someone else for the personal problems of others, hating the rich or for that matter an entire race because they have some perceived advantage is not the answer to anyone's problems, and DAMN sure not an excuse to act like these kids did.
 
Hard Truth said:
Refusing to see socio-economic class differences means that you refuse to see reality. We are theoretically equal under the law, but even that ideal has not been achieved. A person's socio-economic class determines he quality of the education they receive, even in public schools, and how they will be treated by police and the rest of the justice system. In the private sector there are no legal protections for social classes and class discrimination is standard operating procedure.
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Being poor is no excuse for being a punk. Nobody needs an Ivy League education to know it's inappropriate to mob up and beat people.
 
Lutherf said:
Being poor is no excuse for being a punk. Nobody needs an Ivy League education to know it's inappropriate to mob up and beat people.
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Agreed. I am not excusing anything, I am saying it is wrong to to think that we don't have socio-economic classes in the USA.
 
Hard Truth said:
It is seeing reality.
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"Reality" is what a person makes of their circumstances. It doesn't take one cent out of a person's pocket to be polite and respectful of others.
 
Hard Truth said:
Agreed. I am not excusing anything, I am saying it is wrong to to think that we don't have socio-economic classes in the USA.
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What does ones economic class have to do with rioting and assaulting people?
 
PirateMk1 said:
Anybody notice the large pink elephant in the room?
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Yup. But don't say anything about that. Wouldn't want anyone to think you're prejudiced against the "pink" elephants, now would you?
 
Beaudreaux said:
Anyone... ANYONE... that has the mental capacity and physical capacity (not disabled by mental illness or physical deformity - although a lot of them find success as well) that wants to rise up out of poverty can do just that. There are examples every day from every race and every socioeconomic group (notice I said group, not class). So your premise, is just class warfare at its base. Blame someone else for the personal problems of others, hating the rich or for that matter an entire race because they have some perceived advantage is not the answer to anyone's problems, and DAMN sure not an excuse to act like these kids did.
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I'm not making excuses for anyone. I am responding to your claim that we don't have social classes in the USA. The fact is that the overwhelming majority of people born poor will only rise up a couple of steps on the economic ladder and those born upper class and wealthy will remain upper class and wealthy. A few exceptions don't change that reality. Your parent's income is the best predictor of your future economic success. Fact. It is not class warfare to recognize that we have classes.
 
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j-mac said:
Is there a place on earth that doesn't?
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Not that I know about. That doesn't change the fact that it is a reality in the USA.
 
Lutherf said:
What does ones economic class have to do with rioting and assaulting people?
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I was responding to the statement from Beaudreaux., so ask him.

However, rioting is mostly done by people at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder. AFAIK there was no political intent in this incident, so that is not an excuse for their acts, just a fact.

Denying the existence of socio-econmic classes might help support a political agenda, but it does not help solve problems. Ignoring reality only makes it more difficult to solve problems.
 
Hard Truth said:
I was responding to the statement from Beaudreaux., so ask him.

However, rioting is mostly done by people at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder. AFAIK there was no political intent in this incident, so that is not an excuse for their acts, just a fact.

Denying the existence of socio-econmic classes might help support a political agenda, but it does not help solve problems. Ignoring reality only makes it more difficult to solve problems.
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How about this for "reality"......the fact that these punks show little to no respect for the property or person of others is the CAUSE of their stagnation in a low economic class?
 
j-mac said:
It's (insert alphabet news network here) ... ratings equal viewers, viewers equal $.

Why else would FNC be interviewing Ward Churchill right now? He's irrelevant. But, he makes people mad, and mad equals viewers.
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You nailed that.


We also had a rule in Television news, "if it bleeds, burns, or blows up, it leads." In that day, and I see no real change, there was always a huge emphasis on crime, if there were good pictures...a spot of blood residue on the sidewalk dramatically shot is always a good closing visual leaving the viewer sad about the "needless crime." A drive by where you can show bullet holes will lead way ahead of police solving a 15 week old robbery.

The facts are that the crime rate in Canada and the United states is going down and has been since they banned leaded gas. The fact is the amount of coverage paid to crime stories has increased disproportionately
 
Lutherf said:
How about this for "reality"......the fact that these punks show little to no respect for the property or person of others is the CAUSE of their stagnation in a low economic class?
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That said it. So often the proponents of the "social/slavery" issues only ever tell one arc of the socio-criminal cycle. Part of that issue is the fact people who are given money in exchange for votes never get enough, and thus have no respect for property, rights or anything not them.

The crime is not need based, but usually class or racial warfare
 
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