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More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, 'knocking out' shoppers

Beaudreaux said:
Programs like Affirmative Action, when used as a punitive tool, have harmed our country. Especially when programs like these do exactly what you stated - create "a sense of Entitlement to "Social-Justice-Reprisal-Violence"".

However, that is just one part of the problem and only a small part of the overall answer.

None of which will be given a fair hearing here or anywhere else due to political correctness and fear of being tagged with some unfounded label. Although, the other side to this is the fact that some WILL use the opportunity to condemn an entire race for the actions of a subculture. That subculture was created by and is currently fed by the political power that it garners though condemnation of other races and their perceived race-wide culture - which is irony at its most vivid pinnacle.

We have to focus on the culture, not the race. If the culture exists in multiple races (which it does) but stems mostly from one race (which it does), then we cannot allow ourselves to focus on race due to the destabilizing effect that race brings to any discussion. We must focus on what created and what is fueling the culture. To focus on race, only allows people to dismiss the problem as if it is something tangential to reality and only exists in the minds of racists - which is far from true.
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:applaud:applaud

Well stated

Great day to you and Yes Ma'am

Thom Paine
 
sangha said:
OK, let's focus on the culture. Do you think the kids involved in attacks like these are the kids of middle class parents? Upper class? Lower?
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Since the question could only be answered with speculation, why not start with your own speculative answer?

Thom Paine
 
Thom Paine said:
Since the question could only be answered with speculation, why not start with your own speculative answer?

Thom Paine
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The poster I asked has demonstrated no problem with speculation. If you have a problem with it, don't bother answering.
 
sangha said:
The poster I asked has demonstrated no problem with speculation. If you have a problem with it, don't bother answering.
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:lamo Humor is always appreciated.

Thom Paine
 
Ockham said:
Wasn't it just earlier this year we had posters denying such a game exists? Maybe I'm wrong.... either way don't care about the color of their skin. Round them up, arrest them, charge them all to the fullest extent of the law. If this continues to happen in places, I'd even encourage police to create a rapid response team which would first create a perimeter around the event then go in an arrest as many as possible by putting together surveillance video, eye witnesses, and confessions.
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No, once again we have people extrapolating any concept into absolutes.

What you actually had was people saying that this wasn't some massive viral outbreak of violence. The "knockout game" is vastly overplayed by the media because making things seem more scary or more exciting than they really are is literally the job description of a reporter.
 
Gringo allstar said:
Do you have any examples?? Were I think people miss the point on this is believing its education, it's not its VALUES.
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I don't get the reference to "uneducated" either. Education has nothing to do with it. It's parenting, it's morals, it's values. Well educated people commit horrible crimes too. Let's be honest here.

There are also people who live in trailers who wouldn't perpetrate crap like this for anything. I'll even go out on a limb and say most people who live in trailers wouldn't do this.
 
tres borrachos said:
I don't get the reference to "uneducated" either. Education has nothing to do with it. It's parenting, it's morals, it's values. Well educated people commit horrible crimes too. Let's be honest here.

There are also people who live in trailers who wouldn't perpetrate crap like this for anything. I'll even go out on a limb and say most people who live in trailers wouldn't do this.
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Most people who live anywhere wouldn't do this. Some people in trailers certainly would. Albeit probably not in as large of a pack due to the nature of population density.

Mob mentality is not some disease specific to those darned niggers feral urban youths.

edit: incoming poster who whines about being called out on the dogwhistle...
 
Deuce said:
Most people who live anywhere wouldn't do this. Some people in trailers certainly would. Albeit probably not in as large of a pack due to the nature of population density.

Mob mentality is not some disease specific to those darned niggers feral urban youths.

<snipped out dogwhistle comment because I don't get it and don't care>..
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What did you say that was anything different than what I said?
 
Deuce said:
No, once again we have people extrapolating any concept into absolutes.

What you actually had was people saying that this wasn't some massive viral outbreak of violence. The "knockout game" is vastly overplayed by the media because making things seem more scary or more exciting than they really are is literally the job description of a reporter.
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How is it vastly overplayed exactly? When mobs of people (in this case nearly 100 by all accounts) intent on causing violence swoop down on innocent victims, I think such behavior should go viral as a public health notification and benefit. I'd even suggest states send to everyone's homes tips on how to identify and avoid such groups and what to do to both notify authorities and keep themselves and their families safe. That's not overplaying anything in my view.
 
Deuce said:
Most people who live anywhere wouldn't do this. Some people in trailers certainly would. Albeit probably not in as large of a pack due to the nature of population density.

Mob mentality is not some disease specific to those darned niggers feral urban youths.

edit: incoming poster who whines about being called out on the dogwhistle...
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:coffeepap
 
Beaudreaux said:
I never said it was acceptable in a town, city, county, state or country. I said culture. What passes for acceptable culture. Obviously, in the town the video was taken, there's at least some part of our culture where it is in fact acceptable, or around a hundred kids wouldn't have been doing it.
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It was acceptable to the woman with the camera right up until she realized someone was getting beat up. Prior to that it was all a joke to her.
 
I lived in Memphis back in the late 90s. I lived in Midtown Memphis at the time. Midtown is the melting pot of Memphis. I liked living there. You won't find a more southern feeling city than Memphis. Poplar and Highland is the eastern edge of midtown. Back when I lived there, where this happened would have been a pretty good part of town. It's sad to see Memphis going down hill to the extent it has. I don't know how to say this other than just coming out and saying it. Back when I lived there in the late 90s, the city of Memphis was about 50% black and 50% or so white. Today it's 62% black and about 30% white. So you have a lot of white flight going on. Moreover, you have a lot of middle class black flight to the suburbs as well. If the city doesn't get a handle on its crime, poverty, and schools, it's going to be another Detroit in a decade.

That said, I don't know what the solution is. Ultimately, mobs of violent teenagers is as much of a problem with bad parenting as it is with poor policing.
 
rcart76 said:
I'm curious if there would this much outrage if the white victim wasn't in the equation?
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Probably not and that's even more sad. Black kids ****ing up other black kids is just so common place that nobody even thinks twice about it.
 
lizzie said:
Feral means wild- as in feral hogs, feral dogs, feral cats. It's a common term out here in rural America, where we see many wild creatures. These just happen to be humans who look, and are acting like feral animals.
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Just to be clear. An animal isn't referred to as feral, unless it (or its origins) were once domesticated.
 
tres borrachos said:
What did you say that was anything different than what I said?
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The handful of posters in this thread accusing everyone of being racist is nothing but PROJECTION on their part. As GW once said
"Its the soft bigotry of low expectations" and they expect nothing more from the black youth of America. While we expect more from
this group of society and are willing judge them as we judge ourselves, which makes them our equals, they are not. So in a sense they
condone this behaviour or make excuses for it, which in turn makes them feel superior with regards to minorities.
 
Montecresto said:
Just to be clear. An animal isn't referred to as feral, unless it (or its origins) were once domesticated.
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WHAT ? jeeeez....

Dictionary.com
feral1


adjective
1.
existing in a natural state, as animals or plants; not domesticated or cultivated; wild.
2.
having reverted to the wild state, as from domestication:
a pack of feral dogs roaming the woods.
3.
of or characteristic of wild animals; ferocious; brutal.

Word for the day ... FERAL

Thom Paine
 
Gringo allstar said:
The handful of posters in this thread accusing everyone of being racist is nothing but PROJECTION on their part. As GW once said
"Its the soft bigotry of low expectations" and they expect nothing more from the black youth of America. While we expect more from
this group of society and are willing judge them as we judge ourselves, which makes them our equals, they are not. So in a sense they
condone this behaviour or make excuses for it, which in turn makes them feel superior with regards to minorities.
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Considering my post that was quoted never mentioned race and was only focused on education & people who dwell in trailers, I didn't understand the cute use of the "n" word (struck out) in the response.

It's as if some are determined to bring race into discussions and then are sorely disappointed when posters don't bite.

I don't give a flying **** what race these savages were. There is a definite problem in this country and failure to acknowledge it and address it will only cause it to continue. If this was a pack of rich white kids I would hold them in the same contempt I hold this pack of savage monsters. If my kids every got involved in **** like this, they would be grounded until they were of legal age to leave.
 
Beaudreaux said:
The kids doing it, and the people that allow it to happen without reprisal or engaging the culture head-on to change it by making it as important an issue to thwart as the other cultural anomalies they tend to rail against.
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That a hundred kids walk into a store and begin attacking perfect strangers who haven't harmed them at all in anyway. There's the knock out game (I think it's called, could be wrong on that) where kids walk up to a perfect stranger on the street and punch them. Things that I don't believe you and I ever considered as teens, or even heard of. We did, relatively harmless pranks. I agree there's something different here.
 
Ockham said:
How is it vastly overplayed exactly? When mobs of people (in this case nearly 100 by all accounts) intent on causing violence swoop down on innocent victims, I think such behavior should go viral as a public health notification and benefit. I'd even suggest states send to everyone's homes tips on how to identify and avoid such groups and what to do to both notify authorities and keep themselves and their families safe. That's not overplaying anything in my view.
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They all point at these supposed "growing trend" and "viral attacks" and whatnot.

Violent crime has been decreasing for years.
 
Deuce said:
They all point at these supposed "growing trend" and "viral attacks" and whatnot.

Violent crime has been decreasing for years.
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Then please provide facts showing groups of violent teens attacking innocents is reducing over the years.
 
Deuce said:
They all point at these supposed "growing trend" and "viral attacks" and whatnot.

Violent crime has been decreasing for years.
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It has been decreasing nationwide. However, it hasn't been in some cities like Memphis, Little Rock, Saint Louis, and Detroit.
 
Thom Paine said:
WHAT ? jeeeez....

Dictionary.com
feral1


adjective
1.
existing in a natural state, as animals or plants; not domesticated or cultivated; wild.
2.
having reverted to the wild state, as from domestication:
a pack of feral dogs roaming the woods.
3.
of or characteristic of wild animals; ferocious; brutal.

Word for the day ... FERAL

Thom Paine
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Where's the conflict? "Having reverted to the wild" yes, after having once been domestic. We have both wild pigs, and feral pigs, the later now roaming and living in the wild, though having once been breed in domestic farms.

You will never hear of grizzly bears being referred to as feral. Cats, dogs, pigs, etc. can be.
 
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