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More than 100 teens swarm Memphis plaza, 'knocking out' shoppers

DA60 said:
Angry youths have been doing things like this for as hundreds and hundreds of years I bet. It's just that only recently have most people got video cameras in their phones to film it.

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Angry youths have been forming gangs for hundreds and hundreds of years and going out in packs to assault innocent people with their friends on the sidelines laughing and encouraging them?

I really don't believe that, sorry.
 
a351 said:
Seeing as I haven't given them a pass, and stated in explicit terms that their behavior was not civilized, I've no idea what you're actually arguing here.
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If behavior is savage and animalistic and a poster calls it savage and animalistic only to have you attack them by calling that person racist for doing so, all you are displaying is that it is you who cannot separate race from actions and that their race gives them special protection.

If a poster said blacks are savage and animalistic, they would be a racist. If a poster calls actions savage and animalistic without describing it as an all-encompassing racial characteristic only to be called racist for it, the person calling them racist is a racialist -- not a racist in the classic sense, of course, but one who does use race as the barometer for judging actions.
 
Beaudreaux said:
The people that do nothing about it. The people that watch it actually happen and do nothing about it. The people that live in areas where these things happen but for whatever reason (fear, culture of not snitching, etc.) do nothing. The leaders of this country that for obviously politically correct reasons do nothing, or if they do at least say something (even though just talking isn't enough), blame others for the actions of young miscreants like these.

Is that enough people for you? Or would like more examples, including some names?
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and then you also have people such as those in threads such as these who are motivated by their desire to avoid any accusation that they are racist that they refuse to acknowledge much less criticize the racial aspect involved when blacks target whites and then call anybody "racist" who does.

It is this great wall of impenetrable rhetoric that surrounds the issue that acts to enable the actions more than anything else. Instead of holding all people to the same standards, it is a game of identity politics with double standards based upon race.
 
Gardener said:
and then you also have people such as those in threads such as these who are motivated by their desire to avoid any accusation that they are racist that they refuse to acknowledge much less criticize the racial aspect involved when blacks target whites and then call anybody "racist" who does.

It is this great wall of impenetrable rhetoric that surrounds the issue that acts to enable the actions more than anything else. Instead of holding all people to the same standards, it is a game of identity politics with double standards based upon race.
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Proof of which is seen in the responses I am getting from a number of people in this thread, one of which is just a troll trying to have fun, who refuse to discuss the real cultural problem that exists. Rather they attack me for pointing it out, and deflect from the fact that the attack even happened. Instead of discussing the problem, they say things like "no one accepts this" or "no one condones this" or some other half hearted deflection so that they put it to bed and don't have to actually discuss the problem, as if saying "this is bad" is enough.

The largest problem with this related to race, as I said previously, is the problem that race somehow prevents us from discussing these actions and prevents us from taking them on in a way that would change the culture. We can't discuss it unless we are of the same race as the perpetrators, which is ludicrous. If we try, we are called racists, just as Lutherf was basically accused of being when he spoke truth to action.

But, let the apologists and deflectors talk their talk. It makes it easier to pin blame when they self identify.
 
tres borrachos said:
Angry youths have been forming gangs for hundreds and hundreds of years and going out in packs to assault innocent people with their friends on the sidelines laughing and encouraging them?

I really don't believe that, sorry.
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Another example of using any excuse to prevent us from discussing the true culture that exists now, which not only allows such actions to take place, but condones them by making excuses for the actions which empower the culture to expand an grow, hence legitimizing it as a reasonable way to act. Many in this thread have stated that actions are "bad" but say nothing about the root cause because to do so is taboo, as if speaking of it would be seen as a broad brush condemnation rather than speaking truth to actions. This how evil rises and flourishes - through tacit approval from those that don't even realize they are doing so.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Wearing socks with sandals is a crime? When did this occur? I am ignorant, I tell you, ignorant. Like Shultzie says "I know nothing." :notlook: Please don't call the fashion police. :mrgreen:
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That's too bad. I was already passing by your house and saw what went down. I'll let you off with a warning...this time.
 
I'm curious if there would this much outrage if the white victim wasn't in the equation?
 
Beaudreaux said:
Proof of which is seen in the responses I am getting from a number of people in this thread, one of which is just a troll trying to have fun, who refuse to discuss the real cultural problem that exists. Rather they attack me for pointing it out, and deflect from the fact that the attack even happened. Instead of discussing the problem, they say things like "no one accepts this" or "no one condones this" or some other half hearted deflection so that they put it to bed and don't have to actually discuss the problem, as if saying "this is bad" is enough.

The largest problem with this related to race, as I said previously, is the problem that race somehow prevents us from discussing these actions and prevents us from taking them on in a way that would change the culture. We can't discuss it unless we are of the same race as the perpetrators, which is ludicrous. If we try, we are called racists, just as Lutherf was basically accused of being when he spoke truth to action.

But, let the apologists and deflectors talk their talk. It makes it easier to pin blame when they self identify.
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IMO, for far too much of the left, identity politics and/or multiculturalism has replaced liberalism as the governing principle. Compounding that is the corresponding rise of authoritarianism expressed through a rigid brand of political correctness that often times demands the suspension of rational thought, and all that is left is a brand of political fundamentalism every bit as severe as the most zealous right-wing religious fundamentalism.
 
rcart76 said:
I'm curious if there would this much outrage if the white victim wasn't in the equation?
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If large gangs of skinhead whites were to go on a rampage against blacks, there would be a zillion threads on it right now instead of one, and the discussion would be sure to stretch into many weeks.
 
Gardener said:
IMO, for far too much of the left, identity politics and/or multiculturalism has replaced liberalism as the governing principle. Compounding that is the corresponding rise of authoritarianism expressed through a rigid brand of political correctness that often times demands the suspension of rational thought, and all that is left is a brand of political fundamentalism every bit as severe as the most zealous right-wing religious fundamentalism.
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Very true. Well said. The extremists rarely think they are extreme. That's part of what makes them extreme, the self-righteous thought that they are right, and everyone else is wrong.
 
Wasn't it just earlier this year we had posters denying such a game exists? Maybe I'm wrong.... either way don't care about the color of their skin. Round them up, arrest them, charge them all to the fullest extent of the law. If this continues to happen in places, I'd even encourage police to create a rapid response team which would first create a perimeter around the event then go in an arrest as many as possible by putting together surveillance video, eye witnesses, and confessions.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Very true. Well said. The extremists rarely think they are extreme. That's part of what makes them extreme, the self-righteous thought that they are right, and everyone else is wrong.
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The true believers always think they are fighting the good fight, and pretty much anything can be seen as virtuous when all that is needed to make it so is an agreement that it is virtue.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Anybody notice the large pink elephant in the room?
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I going to reply to your post and I have not read the link, but you said pink elephant, and I did read the "teens play knockout" so I am to bet they are black. Now I will read it.
 
rcart76 said:
I'm curious if there would this much outrage if the white victim wasn't in the equation?
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I would hope the outrage would be just as great, but in the not too distant past, like now in some cities.
What goes on in minority neighborhoods, involving only the minorities in that area, seems to be treated different.
It seems it only leads the news, when it leaves the neighborhood.
Overt Violence should not be tolerated regardless of race of the victim.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Proof of which is seen in the responses I am getting from a number of people in this thread, one of which is just a troll trying to have fun, who refuse to discuss the real cultural problem that exists. Rather they attack me for pointing it out, and deflect from the fact that the attack even happened. Instead of discussing the problem, they say things like "no one accepts this" or "no one condones this" or some other half hearted deflection so that they put it to bed and don't have to actually discuss the problem, as if saying "this is bad" is enough.

The largest problem with this related to race, as I said previously, is the problem that race somehow prevents us from discussing these actions and prevents us from taking them on in a way that would change the culture. We can't discuss it unless we are of the same race as the perpetrators, which is ludicrous. If we try, we are called racists, just as Lutherf was basically accused of being when he spoke truth to action.

But, let the apologists and deflectors talk their talk. It makes it easier to pin blame when they self identify.
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But people / posters have tried over and over to discuss the under lying issues of Race and Violence on these and other forums.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...on/203033-epidemic-racial-crimes-america.html

Kurmugeon said:
The Epidemic of Racial Crimes in America
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But that isn't the whole story.

The rate at which Blacks Assault Blacks, is far higher than the Rate that ALL other Racial groups Assault Blacks, COMBINED!


Shouldn't these official FBI crime statistics, and the story they tell, come into our narrative on the Ferguson situation?

Doesn't the threat of this kind of violence, which the police have to deal with daily, affect the nature of the wariness and response of police officers everywhere?

Should White Americans start holding themselves much more On-Guard and Wary around Black Americans?

Isn't it time that we stop creating the sense of Entitlement to "Social-Justice-Reprisal-Violence" generated by the special protections, preferential treatment, and racial manipulation propaganda created by Affirmative Action?


Isn't it time for the 45 years of Racial Preference Insanity to END!?​

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I had to make what was basically that same thread three times, before the censors stopped throwing it into the sewer!

It not that people didn't want to discuss it, they were only allowed to discuss it in the Sewer.

I still hold the the Sociology concept that Racial Preferences provided by the Official Government serve as an excuse and indictment against the non-prefered to justify "a sense of Entitlement to "Social-Justice-Reprisal-Violence" .

Whatever good Affirmative Action might have once done, today, it is a nasty and divisive political weapon, and a disruptive force on our society.

It is well past time for all types of Affirmative Action to END.

Ending AA doesn't mean that the Government should not go right on providing opportunities for youth based on criteria other than RACE.

If the majority of that aid ( but very importantly, not ALL), selected by merit and need criteria, goes to Minorities, so?

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Kurmugeon said:
But people / posters have tried over and over to discuss the under lying issues of Race and Violence on these and other forums.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...on/203033-epidemic-racial-crimes-america.html



I had to make what was basically that same thread three times, before the censors stopped throwing it into the sewer!

It not that people didn't want to discuss it, they were only allowed to discuss it in the Sewer.

I still hold the the Sociology concept that Racial Preferences provided by the Official Government serve as an excuse and indictment against the non-prefered to justify "a sense of Entitlement to "Social-Justice-Reprisal-Violence" .

Whatever good Affirmative Action might have once done, today, it is a nasty and divisive political weapon, and a disruptive force on our society.

It is well past time for all types of Affirmative Action to END.

That doesn't mean that the Government should go right on providing opportunities for youth based on criteria other than RACE.

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Programs like Affirmative Action, when used as a punitive tool, have harmed our country. Especially when programs like these do exactly what you stated - create "a sense of Entitlement to "Social-Justice-Reprisal-Violence"".

However, that is just one part of the problem and only a small part of the overall answer.

None of which will be given a fair hearing here or anywhere else due to political correctness and fear of being tagged with some unfounded label. Although, the other side to this is the fact that some WILL use the opportunity to condemn an entire race for the actions of a subculture. That subculture was created by and is currently fed by the political power that it garners though condemnation of other races and their perceived race-wide culture - which is irony at its most vivid pinnacle.

We have to focus on the culture, not the race. If the culture exists in multiple races (which it does) but stems mostly from one race (which it does), then we cannot allow ourselves to focus on race due to the destabilizing effect that race brings to any discussion. We must focus on what created and what is fueling the culture. To focus on race, only allows people to dismiss the problem as if it is something tangential to reality and only exists in the minds of racists - which is far from true.
 
I just heard Eric Holder is on his way to the scene as we speak. He said he's going to find out who/what prompted these black teens to attack and when he does, They will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. President Obama also said that by all the info the Whitehouse has gathered this
was a "gentle mob" and surely they were provoked into such righteous beatdowns!
 
Gardener said:
The true believers always think they are fighting the good fight, and pretty much anything can be seen as virtuous when all that is needed to make it so is an agreement that it is virtue.
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And sometimes idealist, those that are wrong, (like, imho, those who support AA) get hit with disillusioning reality, hard!

And sometimes, they turn out to be the leaders of needed change.

This is not new to the human condition.

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How often would this things happen if abortion were legal up to the age of 18? Not very often, I'd say.
 
Gardener said:
If large gangs of skinhead whites were to go on a rampage against blacks, there would be a zillion threads on it right now instead of one, and the discussion would be sure to stretch into many weeks.
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You are right and this is my point. Is the outrage center around a group of thugs acting this way or because they are a group of black thugs who attack a white kid? In both cases it is wrong and they should be brought to justice.

The biggest concern is the constant back and forth in our society about race issues. It is like we are trying to one up each other or something.

For example.

What was the true motivation of the OP posting this thread?

Would he have posted it if none of the victims were white?

The problem with this is cast a black cloud over a whole segment of of a group causing paranoia. I've been guilty of that. Before I ever move to Texas all I ever heard were how racist southern whites were. Granted i have encountered some racism but guess what, my experience overall has been great. Now many of you are outrage and angry but almost all of you have not even been a victim of this act nor do you know anyone who was a victim of this act. All of us have a bad habit of defining the world we live in base on what the media feeds us

Can we imagine how our country would be if media didn't exist?

Here is a crazy idea. Maybe we should start judging people base on individual experience.
 
Arcana XV said:
None of the kids I know would ever behave in this manner. I think they're a product of their subculture. And I don't mean just one specific race. Uneducated white trailer trash in a different part of the country would act in much similar ways.
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Do you have any examples?? Were I think people miss the point on this is believing its education, it's not its VALUES.
 
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