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White House: Obama to Delay Immigration Action

Not really, it isn't drawing a larger share of the fast growing population demographic, Hispanics (who are growing primarily from US births and at a rate that is going to increase). All it is doing is holding on to the old White vote....which is a declining share.

Sorry GST, but that is pure nonsense...All one has to do is figure out how pandering to the supposed rising demographic of the Latino community through handouts of citizenship, and benefits in the past has worked for the Repub's....Short answer is that it hasn't. It is only a way of demo's to place a false narrative in the public domain, and use it as soundbite pap.

This issue has to be solved piece by piece, not wholesale. Close the border first, then work on dealing with those here and now....Anything short of that will not work.
 
Gosh. If only there was some kind of series of parliamentary tricks that a preceding Senate Majority Leader has set a precedent for.....

which changes nothing that I stated.
 
No, Haymarket. You're not just a victim of irrational vengeance. You said something inexcusable, ethically. I called you on it. As I noted, I'm waiting for ANYONE to support your disgusting position of "do unto them as they do unto you". No one has supported it, no one will support it, because it's grotesque and anyone presenting such a position ought be ashamed of themselves.

No - just the opposite - what I am proposing is RATIONAL VENGEANCE. Return the favor. The GOP started something with the election of Obama and now its time they learned that paybacks are a bitch. And the only way to properly teach them that is to bend them over the table until they bleed buckets.

The only thing you "called" is attention to your own rather sad desire to curry favor with some here who see me as the enemy of their ersatz ideology.

And you seem to confuse me with one who actually gives a damn about what anyone else here says in support or opposition to me. I have never been a crowd sycophant and am not going to start now.
 
The only thing you "called" is attention to your own rather sad desire to curry favor with some here who see me as the enemy of their ersatz ideology.

Really. You think I've taken objection to your unethical behavior to please Turtle? I suppose everyone that objects to the disgusting hypocrisy and dishonesty of your position(s) is just a goon for him, right?

:screwy

Wow, he really has gotten into your head. Do you dream about him?
 
No - just the opposite - what I am proposing is RATIONAL VENGEANCE. Return the favor. The GOP started something with the election of Obama and now its time they learned that paybacks are a bitch. And the only way to properly teach them that is to bend them over the table until they bleed buckets.

The only thing you "called" is attention to your own rather sad desire to curry favor with some here who see me as the enemy of their ersatz ideology.

And you seem to confuse me with one who actually gives a damn about what anyone else here says in support or opposition to me. I have never been a crowd sycophant and am not going to start now.

Yep, every bit as rational and easy going as Mike Malloy.
 
Sorry GST, but that is pure nonsense..
The Wall Street Journal reports on new data released earlier today by the Census Bureau. The bottom line is that the demographic divide between older white Americans and younger minorities grew wider last year, “highlighting a long-term shift that might alter the interplay between generations.”

Among the data points (most of which come courtesy of the Journal story):

In 2013, nearly 79 percent of people 65 and older were white, but for those younger than 15, the share of whites was just over half. In 2000, those proportions were nearly 84 percent and almost 61 percent, respectively.
Non-Hispanic whites made up 62.6 percent of the country last year, down from 63 percent in 2012, continuing their long-term decline as the dominant American group. More whites died than were born last year, while the share of both Asian-Americans and Hispanics grew.
Hispanic population growth was fueled by an increase in births, as the number immigrating continued to fall. Just over half of all babies born in the U.S. were white.
Whites account for less than half the population in four states: California, New Mexico, Texas, and Hawaii, plus the District of Columbia. But among children under age 5, whites are now below 50 percent in 15 states—with Alaska joining 14 others in 2013.
In some states, the generational gap was quite large. In Arizona, for example, 82 percent of people 65 and over were white, while just 41 percent of those under 15 were white, a 41-point gap.
National Journal‘s Ron Brownstein has pointed out that from 1996 to 2012, the white share of the eligible voting population has dropped about 2 percentage points every four years, from 79.2 percent to 71.1 percent; over that same period, whites have declined as a share of actual voters from 83 percent to 74 percent (according to census figures) or even 72 percent (according to the exit polls). ” With minorities expected to make up a majority of America’s 18 and younger population in this decade, all signs point toward a continued decline in the white share of the eligible voter population—which suggests the GOP would have to marshal heroic turnout efforts to avoid further decline in the white vote-share,” according to Brownstein. “If the electorate’s composition follows the trend over the past two decades, minorities would likely constitute 30 percent of the vote in 2016.”
In light of these facts and tends, Republicans and conservatives have two choices: They can bemoan what’s happening, since non-white voters are less reliably Republican and conservative, offering up a lament for a lost America. They can focus their energy at getting a larger and larger share of a shrinking demographic group. Or they can offer a conservative governing vision and governing agenda that’s principled, reform-minded, and forward-looking, and that appeals to groups that have not traditionally been supportive of them.

The GOP and America’s Changing Demographics « Commentary Magazine
 
Really. You think I've taken objection to your unethical behavior to please Turtle? I suppose everyone that objects to the disgusting hypocrisy and dishonesty of your position(s) is just a goon for him, right?

:screwy

Wow, he really has gotten into your head. Do you dream about him?

You mentioned Turtle. :shock: Not me. :doh Funny how that works now isn't it that you seem to have an idea who perceive your own master is? :lamo
 
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Yep, every bit as rational and easy going as Mike Malloy.

sorry - do not know who he is.

I guess the prospect of the chickens coming home to roost is causing some on the right cause for concern.
 
The Wall Street Journal reports on new data released earlier today by the Census Bureau. The bottom line is that the demographic divide between older white Americans and younger minorities grew wider last year, “highlighting a long-term shift that might alter the interplay between generations.”

Among the data points (most of which come courtesy of the Journal story):

In 2013, nearly 79 percent of people 65 and older were white, but for those younger than 15, the share of whites was just over half. In 2000, those proportions were nearly 84 percent and almost 61 percent, respectively.
Non-Hispanic whites made up 62.6 percent of the country last year, down from 63 percent in 2012, continuing their long-term decline as the dominant American group. More whites died than were born last year, while the share of both Asian-Americans and Hispanics grew.
Hispanic population growth was fueled by an increase in births, as the number immigrating continued to fall. Just over half of all babies born in the U.S. were white.
Whites account for less than half the population in four states: California, New Mexico, Texas, and Hawaii, plus the District of Columbia. But among children under age 5, whites are now below 50 percent in 15 states—with Alaska joining 14 others in 2013.
In some states, the generational gap was quite large. In Arizona, for example, 82 percent of people 65 and over were white, while just 41 percent of those under 15 were white, a 41-point gap.
National Journal‘s Ron Brownstein has pointed out that from 1996 to 2012, the white share of the eligible voting population has dropped about 2 percentage points every four years, from 79.2 percent to 71.1 percent; over that same period, whites have declined as a share of actual voters from 83 percent to 74 percent (according to census figures) or even 72 percent (according to the exit polls). ” With minorities expected to make up a majority of America’s 18 and younger population in this decade, all signs point toward a continued decline in the white share of the eligible voter population—which suggests the GOP would have to marshal heroic turnout efforts to avoid further decline in the white vote-share,” according to Brownstein. “If the electorate’s composition follows the trend over the past two decades, minorities would likely constitute 30 percent of the vote in 2016.”
In light of these facts and tends, Republicans and conservatives have two choices: They can bemoan what’s happening, since non-white voters are less reliably Republican and conservative, offering up a lament for a lost America. They can focus their energy at getting a larger and larger share of a shrinking demographic group. Or they can offer a conservative governing vision and governing agenda that’s principled, reform-minded, and forward-looking, and that appeals to groups that have not traditionally been supportive of them.

The GOP and America’s Changing Demographics « Commentary Magazine

A prophecy that no doubt could be stemmed by simply rationally approaching our illegal immigration problem...Close the border first, then we can talk.
 
sorry - do not know who he is.

Mike Malloy Radio Show : Progressive Radio : Online Video Streaming : The Best In Nighttime Liberal Talk! M-F 9pm-12am.

He is a detestable little P.O.S. out of Atlanta that has a show on XM/Sirus' progressive talk channel...Just another flame thrower with no class that thinks that using profanity, and threats against his political opponents is what wins the arguments....

I guess the prospect of the chickens coming home to roost is causing some on the right cause for concern.

It ought to be cause for liberal progressives to worry...When repubs gain back total control over federal power, and they will, then some of the same crap that people like you cheered on while it was your hero's doing it, will have you squealing for mercy when it is used against you.
 
Mike Malloy Radio Show : Progressive Radio : Online Video Streaming : The Best In Nighttime Liberal Talk! M-F 9pm-12am.

He is a detestable little P.O.S. out of Atlanta that has a show on XM/Sirus' progressive talk channel...Just another flame thrower with no class that thinks that using profanity, and threats against his political opponents is what wins the arguments....



It ought to be cause for liberal progressives to worry...When repubs gain back total control over federal power, and they will, then some of the same crap that people like you cheered on while it was your hero's doing it, will have you squealing for mercy when it is used against you.

Thank you for the information of Malloy. I do have Sirius and I do believe I may have heard him once or twice - its a possibility - but changed the dial to listen to E Street Radio. The one I listen to with some regularity is Thom Hartmann.

Could you be a bit more specific about what will happen when the GOP gets total control and will have people like me squealing for mercy when that power is used against us? That is most intriguing.
 
Thank you for the information of Malloy. I do have Sirius and I do believe I may have heard him once or twice - its a possibility - but changed the dial to listen to E Street Radio. The one I listen to with some regularity is Thom Hartmann.

Could you be a bit more specific about what will happen when the GOP gets total control and will have people like me squealing for mercy when that power is used against us? That is most intriguing.

Although Thom Hartmann is less abrasive than Malloy, it is still the same bashing non stop from a socialist perspective....I mean the guy courts Bernie Sanders for God's sake.

As for the "mercy" comments...You keep using metaphors like bending us over the table, etc...I am simply saying that the precedents that Obama is now setting will have hypocrites like yourself who now cheer with every unconstitutional use of power by the golfer in chief, will be crying foul when that same power is used on them.
 
You mentioned Turtle. :shock: Not me.

Would you like to give other names? Feel free.

Funny how that works now isn't it that you seem to have an idea who perceive your own master is?

You really don't think it had something to do with knowing to whom you referred? You make a thinly veiled claim, I call you on it, and it's on me? Bizarre.
 
Although Thom Hartmann is less abrasive than Malloy, it is still the same bashing non stop from a socialist perspective....I mean the guy courts Bernie Sanders for God's sake.

As for the "mercy" comments...You keep using metaphors like bending us over the table, etc...I am simply saying that the precedents that Obama is now setting will have hypocrites like yourself who now cheer with every unconstitutional use of power by the golfer in chief, will be crying foul when that same power is used on them.


Hartmann is one of the most knowledgable people on the radio today. I find him to be sane and rational - two qualities sorely in short supply on talk radio.

What "precedents" are you referring to exactly? And why would you advocate the unconstitutional use of power if you know it is unconstitutional?
 
Would you like to give other names? Feel free.



You really don't think it had something to do with knowing to whom you referred? You make a thinly veiled claim, I call you on it, and it's on me? Bizarre.



You brought this naming of names and calling people out up. Not me.

Thinly veiled claim?!?!?!?!? :shock: Only in your own mind which also supplied your name for you. :roll: That should tell you all anyone needs to know. :lamo
 
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Im the son of an immigrant and am tired of people pretending they dont understand the difference between immigration (a great thing), and illegal immigration.

Last week at the California gubernatorial debate my states governor stated that 1/3rd of our public school children are illegal or can't speak english. One third-think of the resources that now have to be allocated to them to the detriment of kids who are citizens. Our states education scores speak as loudly-and thats only in one aspect of the negatives of illegal immigration. Something like that percentage also occupy our prisons.

That's really sad. Thanks to Governor Brown, he has officially made California the first sanctuary state the day he signed into law giving illegals the right to driver's license. I read that 27% of immigrants in California are illegal. The largest percentage of any state. No wonder the dream of California being divided up continues. There's got to be a lot of folks fed up with the nonsense.
 
which changes nothing that I stated.

:shrug: what you originally argued remains unlikely to turn out. The GOP owning the Senate in 2014 is no more likely to hurt them in 2016 than Democrats taking the Senate in 2006 did in 2008.
 
Those two "bitterest" years will be the ticket to Democratic landslides in 2016. The absolute best thing that can happen to Obama and the Congress is for the GOP to take the Senate this year and then go absolutely bonkers with every crackpot extremist right wing wet dream being enacted into passed bills that Obama can stand proudly before the nation and loudly VETO proclaiming himself as the last line of rational defense against dangerous extremists.

You could not ask for a better formula for Democratic success in 2016.



OK, let's examine that.

1) you have conceded the mid terms.

2) Obama's policy is so abhorant even he doesn't dare bring them forward until AFTER the mid terms.

3) The above conceded mid terms will mean a Republican majority.

4) the above noted majority will do what the majority of the country wants and blow away the last shred of Obama's ambitious agenda, leaving promises from gay marriage to the end of gitmo to "you can keep your plan..." a reminder of unfulfilled promises and a legacy of failure.

5) and the American voter is going to somehow become angered enough to punish the Republicans for preventing an unpopular and yet another bad Obamalaw from being passed?


Right.

I think you missed the part where illegals won't be able to vote as easily, meaning a 28% drop for the Democrats


Man, oh man, I would soooo love to be a speechwriter for the Republicans, the Democrats are so thin in grey matter they couldn't get elected sheriff of Mayberry without the entire MSM, blind, deaf and dumbly regurgitating the lame talking points
 
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Hartmann is one of the most knowledgable people on the radio today. I find him to be sane and rational - two qualities sorely in short supply on talk radio.

If I have enough honesty to listen to people like Hartmann, and even Malloy then I challenge you to listen to someone like Andrew Wilkow....

Wilkow Majority

What "precedents" are you referring to exactly? And why would you advocate the unconstitutional use of power if you know it is unconstitutional?

Now that is funny Haymarket...When you want to be vile and spew how repubs should be 'bent over a table', it's all good, but when I come back and say, that it will actually backfire on you and will be you that gets to experience what Obama, and Reid have been doing for the past 6 years, all of the sudden you become a constitutional advocate, and scholar....Too funny! :lamo
 
Not really, it isn't drawing a larger share of the fast growing population demographic, Hispanics (who are growing primarily from US births and at a rate that is going to increase). All it is doing is holding on to the old White vote....which is a declining share.

Sure. :shrug: Feel free to ignore the polling data. :)
 
OK, let's examine that.

1) you have conceded the mid terms.

Barring some major shift caused by unseen events, I would have to bet on the GOP keeping the House and gaining some seats in the Senate with the possibility of GOP Senate control no worse than 50/50 as of today.

2) Obama's policy is so abhorant even he doesn't dare bring them forward until AFTER the mid terms.

What exact policy are you referring to?

3) The above conceded mid terms will mean a Republican majority.

see my statement following item #1 above.

4) the above noted majority will do what the majority of the country wants and blow away the last shred of Obama's ambitious agenda, leaving promises from gay marriage to the end of gitmo to "you can keep your plan..." a reminder of unfulfilled promises and a legacy of failure.

Majority? Majority of what exactly? Do you mean a majority of the American people? Do you mean a majority of the small number that turn out in off year elections?

Here in Michigan we had a situation in 2014 where 52% of Michigan voters voted for Democratic state house candidates but 53% of the candidates who won state house seats were Republicans due to serious gerrymandering thwarting the will of the majority.

So be careful when you use the term MAJORITY and also be careful how you apply what it means for the nation.

5) and the American voter is going to somehow become angered enough to punish the Republicans for preventing an unpopular and yet another bad Obamalaw from being passed?

Due to two very obvious reasons:
1 - the turn out in years like this is far different from presidential years and it gives the GOP an advantage. Yes - its the Dems own problem - but it is reality just the same.
2 - Two years of Obama vetoes complete with righteous indignation on national TV every time he does it will take its toll on GOP painting them as radical and dangerous extremists only helping the Dems take it all back in 2016.
 
If I have enough honesty to listen to people like Hartmann, and even Malloy then I challenge you to listen to someone like Andrew Wilkow....

Wilkow Majority



Now that is funny Haymarket...When you want to be vile and spew how repubs should be 'bent over a table', it's all good, but when I come back and say, that it will actually backfire on you and will be you that gets to experience what Obama, and Reid have been doing for the past 6 years, all of the sudden you become a constitutional advocate, and scholar....Too funny! :lamo

sorry - but never heard of Wilkow either. I have listed to Limbaugh on occassion and even O'Reilly.

All I asked you was what exactly constituted the "precedents" you referred to and what would be the use of "unconstitutional power" that you referred to. And you have stayed away from any specifics. Why so?
 
Barring some major shift caused by unseen events, I would have to bet on the GOP keeping the House and gaining some seats in the Senate with the possibility of GOP Senate control no worse than 50/50 as of today.



What exact policy are you referring to?



see my statement following item #1 above.



Majority? Majority of what exactly? Do you mean a majority of the American people? Do you mean a majority of the small number that turn out in off year elections?

Here in Michigan we had a situation in 2014 where 52% of Michigan voters voted for Democratic state house candidates but 53% of the candidates who won state house seats were Republicans due to serious gerrymandering thwarting the will of the majority.

So be careful when you use the term MAJORITY and also be careful how you apply what it means for the nation.



Due to two very obvious reasons:
1 - the turn out in years like this is far different from presidential years and it gives the GOP an advantage. Yes - its the Dems own problem - but it is reality just the same.
2 - Two years of Obama vetoes complete with righteous indignation on national TV every time he does it will take its toll on GOP painting them as radical and dangerous extremists only helping the Dems take it all back in 2016.



Son, you don't know when you're beat.

I doubt anyone is much interested in your pie in the sky revision of reality politics...

But get this....

The. Republican Party. Will. Win. A. Clear. Majority. In. BOTH. Houses. this November.

Thank you for the temporary relief of the burden of reality, and now back to our regularly scheduled debate.
 
:shrug: what you originally argued remains unlikely to turn out. The GOP owning the Senate in 2014 is no more likely to hurt them in 2016 than Democrats taking the Senate in 2006 did in 2008.

Oh but it will. Things have changed in the last decade and have changed making the GOP a far more radical, far more extremist group. They occupy the far right and I have little doubt that if they take both houses of Congress this fall - the more rabid faction will demand tons of raw red meat for them to chew on for two years and they will not be denied.
 
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