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Cuban intelligence agencies recruit leftist professors

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I knew the left was filled with people seeking the downfall of the country, so im not shocked. I just wish the idiot kids listening to these people would wake up


FBI: Cuban intelligence aggressively recruiting leftist American academics as spies, influence agents
FBI: Cuban intelligence aggressively recruiting leftist American academics as spies, influence agents | Fox News

What's amazing to me is that people are shocked by this. Have we not been doing (or at least attempting to do) the same to Cuba for over half a century? Ah, but I forget - if we do it, that's okay, but if they do it, that's a casus belli!

Our national stance towards Cuba is stupid beyond words. The last time that Cuba ever presented any kind of threat was in October 1963, and Kennedy took care of that...and why we still have an embargo is beyond me. We have had open relations - and even strongly supported - dictatorships that were far worse than Castros ever were (like Pakistan, for example).

If we really want to bring Cuba out of communism, the solution's easy - open up our capitalist markets to them, just as we did for the Soviet Union. Bring capitalism to Cuba, and while it's possible the Castros may not fall, their communist system certainly will.
 
What's amazing to me is that people are shocked by this. Have we not been doing (or at least attempting to do) the same to Cuba for over half a century? Ah, but I forget - if we do it, that's okay, but if they do it, that's a casus belli!

Our national stance towards Cuba is stupid beyond words. The last time that Cuba ever presented any kind of threat was in October 1963, and Kennedy took care of that...and why we still have an embargo is beyond me. We have had open relations - and even strongly supported - dictatorships that were far worse than Castros ever were (like Pakistan, for example).

If we really want to bring Cuba out of communism, the solution's easy - open up our capitalist markets to them, just as we did for the Soviet Union. Bring capitalism to Cuba, and while it's possible the Castros may not fall, their communist system certainly will.

Ah, but the status quo better serves the interests of some.
 
What's amazing to me is that people are shocked by this. Have we not been doing (or at least attempting to do) the same to Cuba for over half a century? Ah, but I forget - if we do it, that's okay, but if they do it, that's a casus belli!

Correct. The US is a Western liberal democracy. Cuba is a totalitarian dictatorship.

Do you understand why people support the promotion of the former and not the latter?


If we really want to bring Cuba out of communism, the solution's easy - open up our capitalist markets to them, just as we did for the Soviet Union. Bring capitalism to Cuba, and while it's possible the Castros may not fall, their communist system certainly will.

BS. Dictators grab all the money, use it to further enslave the population and things get worse. And it wasn't our markets that brought down the Soviet Union. Who told you that?
 
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Correct. The US is a Western liberal democracy. Cuba is a totalitarian dictatorship.

Do you understand why people support the promotion of the former and not the latter?




BS. Dictators grab all the money, use it to further enslave the population and things get worse. And it wasn't our markets that brought down the Soviet Union. Who told you that?

Our markets did not bring down the USSR...but exposure to our markets, exposure to what we have under capitalism, did the trick. All you need do is to look back at the lines that formed outside the first McDonald's in Moscow, the first sales of Coca-Cola. The people did not have money but they flocked to spend what little they had to get these items, these luxuries from the West...and as a result there was that much more money leaving the USSR, that the nation could ill afford.

There is no need to continue this embargo against Cuba - that little nation does not present any threat to America or our way of life. If we have normal relations with Pakistan, China, Saudi Arabia, Guatemala...there's zero reason to continue this stupid embargo.
 
I knew the left was filled with people seeking the downfall of the country, so im not shocked. I just wish the idiot kids listening to these people would wake up
The world is different than it was 30 years ago. That world no longer exists. The Cold War is gone. The influence of Communism is gone. Cuba has been an impoverished, powerless nation for my entire life. For most Cubans, Cuba has been an impoverished, powerless nation for most of their lives. It poses no more threat to the world than any other illiberal nation; except in the memories of daft older Americans. It's a nation, like others, that suffers from a deficit of liberal values, which is only made worse by our refusal to engage with the country economically and socially.
 
I knew the left was filled with people seeking the downfall of the country, so im not shocked. I just wish the idiot kids listening to these people would wake up
FBI: Cuban intelligence aggressively recruiting leftist American academics as spies, influence agents
FBI: Cuban intelligence aggressively recruiting leftist American academics as spies, influence agents | Fox News

Geez, Communists are just too stupid. The professors have been doing that for decades, indoctrinating their students (who now could be the dumbest generation in the history of any democracy) and the Communists are now going to pay them for what they've doing for free? We can easily see why they can only advance through violence and dictatorships.
 
Better dead than red!

Seriously, anyone who thinks that Cuban influence in academia is at any level above microscopic is an idiot. The Fox article just says, based on the report, that Cuba is trying to place moles in academia. It says nothing about how successful the Cubans have been.
 
What's amazing to me is that people are shocked by this. Have we not been doing (or at least attempting to do) the same to Cuba for over half a century? Ah, but I forget - if we do it, that's okay, but if they do it, that's a casus belli!

Our national stance towards Cuba is stupid beyond words. The last time that Cuba ever presented any kind of threat was in October 1963, and Kennedy took care of that...and why we still have an embargo is beyond me. We have had open relations - and even strongly supported - dictatorships that were far worse than Castros ever were (like Pakistan, for example).

If we really want to bring Cuba out of communism, the solution's easy - open up our capitalist markets to them, just as we did for the Soviet Union. Bring capitalism to Cuba, and while it's possible the Castros may not fall, their communist system certainly will.

Even less incredible are Liberals defending Communism. Next we know you'll be defending the Einsatzgruppen, oh wait...
 
Better dead than red!

Seriously, anyone who thinks that Cuban influence in academia is at any level above microscopic is an idiot. The Fox article just says, based on the report, that Cuba is trying to place moles in academia. It says nothing about how successful the Cubans have been.

The Cubans assassinated Kennedy. That's a **** load more than microscopic.
 
The Cubans assassinated Kennedy. That's a **** load more than microscopic.

1. No, Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated Kennedy.

2. I said "influence in academia;" the Kennedy assassination is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Do try to keep up.
 
1. No, Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated Kennedy.

2. I said "influence in academia;" the Kennedy assassination is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Do try to keep up.

You said, Cuban influence". Oswald was working for the Cubans.
 
Cuban influence IN ACADEMIA. Like, today. Not 50 years ago. As in, the topic of the thread. Again, please do try to keep up.
Naturally it's 'leftist ' in academia who are being approached. Who else would support communist dictatorships? They supported them for decades and not much has changed at all.
 
Naturally it's 'leftist ' in academia who are being approached. Who else would support communist dictatorships? They supported them for decades and not much has changed at all.

Next, you'll be independently saying that leftists hate America, my independent friend. That'll really get other independents to see that independent streak you're known for. You're such a great independent thinker, Grant. Always independently stating your positions which are independent from any other ideology. Yep, you're an independent guy, alright. I hope to one day be an independent like you.
 
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Cuban influence IN ACADEMIA. Like, today. Not 50 years ago. As in, the topic of the thread. Again, please do try to keep up.



Prove it.

>" In the aftermath of Khrushchev's revelations about Stalin's abuses, most of the world's Communist parties abandoned Stalinism and, to varying degrees, adopted the moderately reformist positions of the new Soviet First Secretary. The American far left likewise sought to distance itself from Stalin, rebranding itself as the so-called "New Left," a counter-cultural movement that would hold fast to the overriding ideals of Marxism-Leninsim while formally abjuring the horrific crimes of Stalinism. But before long, this New Left would romanticize the neo-Stalinists of the Third World, embracing a whole new set of totalitarian heroes such as Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, and Daniel Ortega.

The core of the early New Left was formed by the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), a radical organization that aspired to overthrow America's democratic institutions, remake its government in a Marxist image, and help America's enemies emerge victorious on the battlefield in Vietnam. Many key SDS members were "red-diaper babies," children of parents who had been Communist Party members or Communist activists in the 1930s..."<

Bla, bla, bla bla bla...


>" In 1969, SDS began splintering into factions, one of which, calling itself Weatherman, was elected to SDS leadership and proclaimed that the time had come to launch a race war on behalf of the Third World and against the United States. This new entity dissolved SDS and formed a terrorist cult in its place, which took the name Weather Underground.

By the early 1970s, the openly defiant and revolutionary New Left had spent its political capital and was a dying movement. But its adherents remained committed to the cause, altering their tactics so as to work within the system in a manner the New Left had previously chosen not to do. These latter-day leftists incorporated the tactics of the infamous Saul Alinsky, seeking to change society by first infiltrating its major institutions – the schools, the media, the churches, the entertainment industry, the labor unions, and the three branches of government – and then implementing policies from those positions of power.

Most notably, the ex-New Leftists found a home in the Democratic Party. By 1972, they had seized control of the party, as evidenced by the nomination of George McGovern as the Democratic presidential candidate on an antiwar platform that cast America's military involvement in Southeast Asia as an immoral, imperialistic venture. By way of its political ascendancy within the Democratic Party, the New Left, in a political sense, effectively killed off the classical centrist liberals who had vigorously opposed Communist totalitarianism. After accomplishing this parricide, the New Left occupied the corpse of authentic liberalism (i.e., the Democratic Party) and appropriated the name, "liberalism."..."<

New Left - Discover the Networks
 
The Cubans assassinated Kennedy.

Nice try apdst but we're trying to have a serious discussion here. It's no time for jokes. An economically/militarily powerless nation trying to get at the information that 15 year olds from 4chan can hack into is no laughing matter.
 
>" In the aftermath of Khrushchev's revelations about Stalin's abuses, most of the world's Communist parties abandoned Stalinism and, to varying degrees, adopted the moderately reformist positions of the new Soviet First Secretary. The American far left likewise sought to distance itself from Stalin, rebranding itself as the so-called "New Left," a counter-cultural movement that would hold fast to the overriding ideals of Marxism-Leninsim while formally abjuring the horrific crimes of Stalinism. But before long, this New Left would romanticize the neo-Stalinists of the Third World, embracing a whole new set of totalitarian heroes such as Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, and Daniel Ortega.

The core of the early New Left was formed by the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), a radical organization that aspired to overthrow America's democratic institutions, remake its government in a Marxist image, and help America's enemies emerge victorious on the battlefield in Vietnam. Many key SDS members were "red-diaper babies," children of parents who had been Communist Party members or Communist activists in the 1930s..."<

Bla, bla, bla bla bla...


>" In 1969, SDS began splintering into factions, one of which, calling itself Weatherman, was elected to SDS leadership and proclaimed that the time had come to launch a race war on behalf of the Third World and against the United States. This new entity dissolved SDS and formed a terrorist cult in its place, which took the name Weather Underground.

By the early 1970s, the openly defiant and revolutionary New Left had spent its political capital and was a dying movement. But its adherents remained committed to the cause, altering their tactics so as to work within the system in a manner the New Left had previously chosen not to do. These latter-day leftists incorporated the tactics of the infamous Saul Alinsky, seeking to change society by first infiltrating its major institutions – the schools, the media, the churches, the entertainment industry, the labor unions, and the three branches of government – and then implementing policies from those positions of power.

Most notably, the ex-New Leftists found a home in the Democratic Party. By 1972, they had seized control of the party, as evidenced by the nomination of George McGovern as the Democratic presidential candidate on an antiwar platform that cast America's military involvement in Southeast Asia as an immoral, imperialistic venture. By way of its political ascendancy within the Democratic Party, the New Left, in a political sense, effectively killed off the classical centrist liberals who had vigorously opposed Communist totalitarianism. After accomplishing this parricide, the New Left occupied the corpse of authentic liberalism (i.e., the Democratic Party) and appropriated the name, "liberalism."..."<

New Left - Discover the Networks

Blah, blah, blah indeed.
 
>" In the aftermath of Khrushchev's revelations about Stalin's abuses, most of the world's Communist parties abandoned Stalinism and, to varying degrees, adopted the moderately reformist positions of the new Soviet First Secretary. The American far left likewise sought to distance itself from Stalin, rebranding itself as the so-called "New Left," a counter-cultural movement that would hold fast to the overriding ideals of Marxism-Leninsim while formally abjuring the horrific crimes of Stalinism. But before long, this New Left would romanticize the neo-Stalinists of the Third World, embracing a whole new set of totalitarian heroes such as Mao Zedong, Ho Chi Minh, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot, and Daniel Ortega.

The core of the early New Left was formed by the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), a radical organization that aspired to overthrow America's democratic institutions, remake its government in a Marxist image, and help America's enemies emerge victorious on the battlefield in Vietnam. Many key SDS members were "red-diaper babies," children of parents who had been Communist Party members or Communist activists in the 1930s..."<

Bla, bla, bla bla bla...


>" In 1969, SDS began splintering into factions, one of which, calling itself Weatherman, was elected to SDS leadership and proclaimed that the time had come to launch a race war on behalf of the Third World and against the United States. This new entity dissolved SDS and formed a terrorist cult in its place, which took the name Weather Underground.

By the early 1970s, the openly defiant and revolutionary New Left had spent its political capital and was a dying movement. But its adherents remained committed to the cause, altering their tactics so as to work within the system in a manner the New Left had previously chosen not to do. These latter-day leftists incorporated the tactics of the infamous Saul Alinsky, seeking to change society by first infiltrating its major institutions – the schools, the media, the churches, the entertainment industry, the labor unions, and the three branches of government – and then implementing policies from those positions of power.

Most notably, the ex-New Leftists found a home in the Democratic Party. By 1972, they had seized control of the party, as evidenced by the nomination of George McGovern as the Democratic presidential candidate on an antiwar platform that cast America's military involvement in Southeast Asia as an immoral, imperialistic venture. By way of its political ascendancy within the Democratic Party, the New Left, in a political sense, effectively killed off the classical centrist liberals who had vigorously opposed Communist totalitarianism. After accomplishing this parricide, the New Left occupied the corpse of authentic liberalism (i.e., the Democratic Party) and appropriated the name, "liberalism."..."<

New Left - Discover the Networks

Very good synopsis on the development of the radical left.

You don't cover the latest developments in their political movement, being three primary additions:

1] Alliance between the SDS camp and the Radical, Open Genocidal Advocating, Extreme Greens

2] Alliance between the SDS camp and the Radical Muslims

3] Transition from being an underground subversive organization, to becoming the official state powers, and the abuse of those powers (IRS Lerner, DOJ Holder) to shut down all opposition and free speech which might hinder their acquisition of political power. In essence, the emergence of the American Progressive-Fascist State.
 
You people are insane.
 
You people are insane.

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Very good synopsis on the development of the radical left.

You don't cover the latest developments in their political movement, being three primary additions:

1] Alliance between the SDS camp and the Radical, Open Genocidal Advocating, Extreme Greens

2] Alliance between the SDS camp and the Radical Muslims

3] Transition from being an underground subversive organization, to becoming the official state powers, and the abuse of those powers (IRS Lerner, DOJ Holder) to shut down all opposition and free speech which might hinder their acquisition of political power. In essence, the emergence of the American Progressive-Fascist State.

The radical lefties hate the source I used. Probably because the individual who runs "Discover the Networks" is a "red diaper baby" and was one of the leaders of the SDS during the 60's.
 
This thread started out with being a hackish overgeneralization and then devolved into conspiracy theory. I'm curious to see to what depths it goes, next.
 
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