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Cuban intelligence agencies recruit leftist professors

j-mac said:
If you like, although I don't understand what that has to do with it? Cuba is 90 miles from the Keys....Slightly different situation. Why is it that every discussion with liberal progressives always at some point boils down to "someone else does it too"... Do you understand how 5 year old that sounds?
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I don't know if you've noticed, but distance doesn't matter like it once did. We now live in a world where economic crises in Iceland and Greece directly - and instantly - affect our own stock market. We live in a world where teenaged hackers in basements in Russia and China steal credit card numbers from our corporations during the night - or during the day.

Cuba is not a threat - and it hasn't been one since the end of October 1963. If you really want to tear down the communist regime there, send in Wal-Mart, Coca-Cola, and GM. Once that happens, it's only a matter of time.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Don't have my list of people who visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico City back in 1963 handy.

Happen to have your proof handy?
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You're trying to say that visiting the Cuban embassy means nothing. I'm just wondering if you came name all the folks that visited the Cuban embassy AND assassinated an American president.

The proof that Oswald visited the Cuban embassy--as well as the Soviet embassy--is in the Warren Report. I figured ot would common knowledge to all you folks who already know everything.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I don't know if you've noticed, but distance doesn't matter like it once did. We now live in a world where economic crises in Iceland and Greece directly - and instantly - affect our own stock market. We live in a world where teenaged hackers in basements in Russia and China steal credit card numbers from our corporations during the night - or during the day.

Cuba is not a threat - and it hasn't been one since the end of October 1963. If you really want to tear down the communist regime there, send in Wal-Mart, Coca-Cola, and GM. Once that happens, it's only a matter of time.
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A military threat--by herself--probably not. However, it's highly possible for Cuba to be an espionage threat.
 
apdst said:
You're trying to say that visiting the Cuban embassy means nothing. I'm just wondering if you came name all the folks that visited the Cuban embassy AND assassinated an American president.
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I'm not trying to say that. I'm saying that visiting the Cuban embassy doesn't mean one is working for the Cubans. I'm still waiting for your proof that Oswald assassinated Kennedy under orders from Cuba.

The proof that Oswald visited the Cuban embassy--as well as the Soviet embassy--is in the Warren Report. I figured ot would common knowledge to all you folks who already know everything.
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Visited is common knowledge. Visiting doesn't mean "ordered to kill". Still waiting for your evidence of this.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
I'm not trying to say that. I'm saying that visiting the Cuban embassy doesn't mean one is working for the Cubans. I'm still waiting for your proof that Oswald assassinated Kennedy under orders from Cuba.



Visited is common knowledge. Visiting doesn't mean "ordered to kill". Still waiting for your evidence of this.
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1) Oswald defected to The Soviet Union.

2) Oswald was a Communist.

3) He came back with a Russian wife and his land lady in Dallas spoke fluent Russian.

4) He visited the Cuban and Soviet embassies prior to the assissination.

There's my evidence.
 
apdst said:
1) Oswald defected to The Soviet Union.

2) Oswald was a Communist.

3) He came back with a Russian wife and his land lady in Dallas spoke fluent Russian.

4) He visited the Cuban and Soviet embassies prior to the assissination.

There's my evidence.
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And that's not evidence. That's conjecture and supposition... and conspiracy theory.
 
Montecresto said:
No, that's not it, I just hugely disagree with you. And hope the dissent continues and grows until such time we succeed in turning our country from its destructive policies in the ME.
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The ME is a recent harangue.. The American left has always been complaining about their countries 'destructive policies' whether they be international or domestic. Just watch for yourself.
 
Montecresto said:
Again, the left doesn't hate America, and the right doesn't hate America. Dissent isn't hate no matter how much you want to make that connection. You probably wouldn't understand this, but Americans want America to be good. The conflict is in the differences of opinion in what good is, ideology and all.
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I don't use the term "hate" but, in any case, the 'right' or the 'middle' certainly doesn't hate their country as much as the left. In any confrontation the left will side with the opposition, no matter who it is, or how revolting their policies. America will never be good enough to suit them as no other opinions or political positions are acceptable.
 
Montecresto said:
Again, the left doesn't hate America, and the right doesn't hate America. Dissent isn't hate no matter how much you want to make that connection. You probably wouldn't understand this, but Americans want America to be good. The conflict is in the differences of opinion in what good is, ideology and all.
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Why do Libbos always blame America for everything that's wrong in the world?
 
Montecresto said:
The Crumbling of the Middle Eastern Secularists

Starting with Suddam Hussein during the early part of the turn of the century the secular bulwarks of the Middle East began to crumble. In late 2010 the Arab Spring kicked off a wave of anti-government demonstrations that led to the downfall of four powerful Middle Eastern autocrats while leaving the last prominent few embattled. At the time, many in the West hailed the Arab Spring as a triumph for democracy and freedom for a region that has seen little of either. What many people failed to realize however was that these leaders, Qaddafi, Mubarak, Ben Ali, Saleh and even Assad were all secular leaders who had little tolerance for radical Islam.
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You've named a variety of leaders here but are 'bulwarks' who commit genocide against their own people really something you can support?
 
Luftwaffe said:
"I knew the left was filled with people seeking the downfall of this country..."

Just what DP needs, another super-mega-biased I hate everyone on the other side member!

No, the left is not filled with people who want to see America destroyed. Why the hell would I ever want to destroy the country that gave my family everything? China I'd rather see in flames.
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Of course the left sincerely believes they will make a better America, but their tactics, and the America they envision, have all been consistent and often tragic failures..
 
Grant said:
Of course the left sincerely believes they will make a better America, but their tactics, and the America they envision, have all been consistent and often tragic failures..
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I don't think that they believe in making a better America at all...They deplore this country and what it stands for....Through their own liberal guilt, I really think that they want America to cease to exist.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
What's amazing to me is that people are shocked by this. Have we not been doing (or at least attempting to do) the same to Cuba for over half a century? Ah, but I forget - if we do it, that's okay, but if they do it, that's a casus belli!

Our national stance towards Cuba is stupid beyond words. The last time that Cuba ever presented any kind of threat was in October 1963, and Kennedy took care of that...and why we still have an embargo is beyond me. We have had open relations - and even strongly supported - dictatorships that were far worse than Castros ever were (like Pakistan, for example).

If we really want to bring Cuba out of communism, the solution's easy - open up our capitalist markets to them, just as we did for the Soviet Union. Bring capitalism to Cuba, and while it's possible the Castros may not fall, their communist system certainly will.
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Well that's absolute Bull..

Cuba is run by a Dictator and has had the benefit of open trade with a variety of Countries for some time.

Cuba's problems aren't due to a lack of American influence or its isolation to alternative economic ideologies.
 
Grant said:
Indeed. You don't see the rise of anti Americanism in your own country, don't understand the source, and don't know how to sensibly respond. That's leftism today..
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You see disagreement with right-wing policies as "anti-Americanism." Just shows how far down the blind partisan path you have wandered.
 
j-mac said:
I don't think that they believe in making a better America at all...They deplore this country and what it stands for....Through their own liberal guilt, I really think that they want America to cease to exist.
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They don't seem clear on what they want, only that America is bad. They really have no vision at whatsoever and, in fact, are often incoherent and stumbling when pressed.

Monte has accused me of being 'pro American' and he's right. Not only does the rest of the world need America's leadership but it is an experiment to see if people from all areas of the world, with often directly contrary beliefs, can live together in relative harmony. America is the testing ground for this experiment and I hope it succeeds because, trite as it may seem, world security depends on it.
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Fearandloathing said:
I guess that stars to even up all the spying and recruiting the CIA has done in Cuba.

Americans are so frightened of a tiny little island and most have never been there.
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I have, have you. And it figures lefties would be pulling for the enemies of our country.
 
Kobie said:
You see disagreement with right-wing policies as "anti-Americanism." Just shows how far down the blind partisan path you have wandered.
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I never mentioned 'right wing'.
 
Kobie said:
You see disagreement with right-wing policies as "anti-Americanism." Just shows how far down the blind partisan path you have wandered.
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I see spying for our enemies as anti american, call me crazy if you like but...
 
Grant said:
They don't seem clear on what they want, only that America is bad. They really have no vision at whatsoever and, in fact, are often incoherent and stumbling when pressed.

Monte has accused me of being 'pro American' and he's right. Not only does the rest of the world need America's leadership but it is an experiment to see if people from all areas of the world, with often directly contrary beliefs, can live together in relative harmony. America is the testing ground for this experiment and I hope it succeeds because, trite as it may seem, world security depends on it.
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Very true...It really is a simple question. If America is not there who fills that void, and do we really want them to?
 
j-mac said:
I don't think that they believe in making a better America at all...They deplore this country and what it stands for....Through their own liberal guilt, I really think that they want America to cease to exist.
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You may be right. All we know for certain is that they complain about everything America does but never offer an alternative. It should go without saying that these people are not the best America has to offer but that's true of leftists in any country.
 
Sabanist said:
I have, have you. And it figures lefties would be pulling for the enemies of our country.
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One, yes I have, often, being Canadian I can get into and out of Cuba easier than I can go to Bellingham to shop for an afternoon, and be received in a friendly Caribbean manner absent of the assault rifles being brandished at the 'longest undefended border in the world lest you let in some terrorist maple syrup. FFS, we have fought shoulder with you though four bloody wars, wtf do you have military grade hardware aimed at us?

Two, a leftist is what your president is as his policies are almost identical to those of Canada's self described "socialist" New Democratic Party, right down to the age old stupidity of "higher minimum wage" which Americans still buy into. For the the record, and I am getting very tired of the lugubriously stupid assumption that I am a "leftist" simply because I do not see Cuba, where I vacation, as a a barbarian enemy at the gate about to destroy the fabric of the "American way of life".

For the twentieth time this week, I am a member of the Liberal Party of Canada, and even though I can still vote in the US, I would not waste the time on a populist/socialist like Obama.
 
Sabanist said:
I see spying for our enemies as anti american, call me crazy if you like but...
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And as I said either here or in the other thread on this subject, does anyone think any substantial, even statistically significant portion of "the left" is spying for Cuba? Let's get serious.
 
Kobie said:
You see disagreement with right-wing policies as "anti-Americanism." Just shows how far down the blind partisan path you have wandered.
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They're sprinting down that path, that's for sure, this is just ****ing outrageous, I've never seen such stupidity, such inferiority, from people on this site...
 
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