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Cuban intelligence agencies recruit leftist professors

Hatuey said:
Nice try apdst but we're trying to have a serious discussion here. It's no time for jokes. An economically/militarily powerless nation trying to get at the information that 15 year olds from 4chan can hack into is no laughing matter.
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Folks shouldn't make infantile comments.
 
Hatuey said:
Next, you'll be independently saying that leftists hate America, my independent friend. That'll really get other independents to see that independent streak you're known for. You're such a great independent thinker, Grant. Always independently stating your positions which are independent from any other ideology. Yep, you're an independent guy, alright. I hope to one day be an independent like you.
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I'm also rich and good looking, both of which encourages independence. Many people like yourself want to be like me, but that's just a fanciful dream.
 
Kobie said:
Blah, blah, blah indeed.
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Indeed. You don't see the rise of anti Americanism in your own country, don't understand the source, and don't know how to sensibly respond. That's leftism today..
 
Grant said:
Indeed. You don't see the rise of anti Americanism in your own country, don't understand the source, and don't know how to sensibly respond. That's leftism today..
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Hogwash! Dissent is NOT anti-Americanism. You're listening to people who want America to become part of the solution, and stop advancing policies that are creating problems.
 
Sabanist said:
I knew the left was filled with people seeking the downfall of the country, so im not shocked. I just wish the idiot kids listening to these people would wake up


FBI: Cuban intelligence aggressively recruiting leftist American academics as spies, influence agents
FBI: Cuban intelligence aggressively recruiting leftist American academics as spies, influence agents | Fox News
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I guess that stars to even up all the spying and recruiting the CIA has done in Cuba.

Americans are so frightened of a tiny little island and most have never been there.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
What's amazing to me is that people are shocked by this. Have we not been doing (or at least attempting to do) the same to Cuba for over half a century? Ah, but I forget - if we do it, that's okay, but if they do it, that's a casus belli!

Our national stance towards Cuba is stupid beyond words. The last time that Cuba ever presented any kind of threat was in October 1963, and Kennedy took care of that...and why we still have an embargo is beyond me. We have had open relations - and even strongly supported - dictatorships that were far worse than Castros ever were (like Pakistan, for example).

If we really want to bring Cuba out of communism, the solution's easy - open up our capitalist markets to them, just as we did for the Soviet Union. Bring capitalism to Cuba, and while it's possible the Castros may not fall, their communist system certainly will.
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Cuba's proximity to the US has been the reason for the sanctions over all these years. If Pakistan was close to the US geographically, our relationship with them would be different. Even with all of the technology, America's primary defense against foreign invaders has been the ocean. In order for this to work, there have to be either alliances with or sanctions against the countries closest to us.

That being said, the biggest threat facing America are the infiltrating communists who have already snuck in. Cuba is the least of our worries.
 
Montecresto said:
Hogwash! Dissent is NOT anti-Americanism. You're listening to people who want America to become part of the solution, and stop advancing policies that are creating problems.
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Define "the solution".....
 
j-mac said:
Define "the solution".....
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Middle East policies that would contain, rather then embolden militant Islamists, we've only been over this how many times j?
 
Montecresto said:
Middle East policies that would contain, rather then embolden militant Islamists, we've only been over this how many times j?
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And as many times have I been denied the truth from you...So, again we shall see if this time we can get some honesty....

When you say "Middle East policies that would contain, rather then embolden militant Islamists..." Are you saying that you would like to see Islamists emboldened?
 
Montecresto said:
Hogwash! Dissent is NOT anti-Americanism. You're listening to people who want America to become part of the solution, and stop advancing policies that are creating problems.
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It's already gone past 'dissent' and apparently you don't see it either.
 
j-mac said:
And as many times have I been denied the truth from you...So, again we shall see if this time we can get some honesty....

When you say "Middle East policies that would contain, rather then embolden militant Islamists..." Are you saying that you would like to see Islamists emboldened?
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WTF? Contained!
 
Montecresto said:
Middle East policies that would contain, rather then embolden militant Islamists, we've only been over this how many times j?
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Apparently your sense of history only stretches as far back as the last decade.Anti Americanism, in America, really began in a big way during the 1960's and 70's with leftist propaganda taking a firm hold on education and the media. You are a victim of that propaganda and never knew a time when all Americans were genuinely proud of their country and the future they could make for following generations. Now any mistakes "America" makes are highlighted, promoted, and endlessly debated, while the actions of those who would do America harm are downplayed, dismissed as America's fault, or ignored.

If the American experiment fails no good can follow, but the present generation of Americans have little understanding of this possibility and its consequences.
 
Grant said:
It's already gone past 'dissent' and apparently you don't see it either.
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No, that's not it, I just hugely disagree with you. And hope the dissent continues and grows until such time we succeed in turning our country from its destructive policies in the ME.
 
Montecresto said:
No, that's not it, I just hugely disagree with you. And hope the dissent continues and grows until such time we succeed in turning our country from its destructive policies in the ME.
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There are destructive policies going on in the ME now. Do you think these can be 'contained'?
 
Grant said:
Apparently your sense of history only stretches as far back as the last decade.Anti Americanism, in America, really began in a big way during the 1960's and 70's with leftist propaganda taking a firm hold on education and the media. You are a victim of that propaganda and never knew a time when all Americans were genuinely proud of their country and the future they could make for following generations. Now any mistakes "America" makes are highlighted, promoted, and endlessly debated, while the actions of those who would do America harm are downplayed, dismissed as America's fault, or ignored.

If the American experiment fails no good can follow, but the present generation of Americans have little understanding of this possibility and its consequences.
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Again, the left doesn't hate America, and the right doesn't hate America. Dissent isn't hate no matter how much you want to make that connection. You probably wouldn't understand this, but Americans want America to be good. The conflict is in the differences of opinion in what good is, ideology and all.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
What's amazing to me is that people are shocked by this. Have we not been doing (or at least attempting to do) the same to Cuba for over half a century? Ah, but I forget - if we do it, that's okay, but if they do it, that's a casus belli!

Our national stance towards Cuba is stupid beyond words. The last time that Cuba ever presented any kind of threat was in October 1963, and Kennedy took care of that...and why we still have an embargo is beyond me. We have had open relations - and even strongly supported - dictatorships that were far worse than Castros ever were (like Pakistan, for example).

If we really want to bring Cuba out of communism, the solution's easy - open up our capitalist markets to them, just as we did for the Soviet Union. Bring capitalism to Cuba, and while it's possible the Castros may not fall, their communist system certainly will.
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Ahem, 1962. I don't think Pakistan's government has been worse than Cuba's, but I agree with your larger point. Our most powerful weapon against Cuba would be WalMart. None of that, however, excuses the ideologically-driven treasonous behavior cited by the FBI.
 
Grant said:
There are destructive policies going on in the ME now. Do you think these can be 'contained'?
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The Crumbling of the Middle Eastern Secularists

Starting with Suddam Hussein during the early part of the turn of the century the secular bulwarks of the Middle East began to crumble. In late 2010 the Arab Spring kicked off a wave of anti-government demonstrations that led to the downfall of four powerful Middle Eastern autocrats while leaving the last prominent few embattled. At the time, many in the West hailed the Arab Spring as a triumph for democracy and freedom for a region that has seen little of either. What many people failed to realize however was that these leaders, Qaddafi, Mubarak, Ben Ali, Saleh and even Assad were all secular leaders who had little tolerance for radical Islam.
 
Guys, this is nothing new, even by the FBI's public releases. The report is based on the testimonials of a former Cuban intelligence service member who published his work in 2002 or 2003. The FBI has, for years, discussed the risks associated with international communications and academia. In 2011 the FBI released a document detailing the risks for all nation-states. Academics are frequently used by the academic's home government for input on governmental research and projects. This makes them great targets, and always has. It's not because academia has more left-wing persons. It's because they provide a valuable service.

Ways to get academics:

1) Appeal to academic's political views. This is what the Free Beacon release discussed. However, this is neither isolated to Cuba or left-wing governments. This is for any government seeking information.

2) Appeal to academic's ethnic or national identity. This is not discussed by the release. This is for any foreign nation-state.

3) Promise the academic access to desirable or needed source material for their research. This was not discussed by the release. This is for any nation-state.

4) Pose as an academic colleague seeking input on research. This was not discussed by the release. This is for any nation-state.

5) Pose as an academic entity that will promote the researcher's work. This was not discussed by the release. This is for any nation-state. An academic presents material to an academic audience, which is an expected career builder, a networking opportunity, and a means to improve the knowledge of the field. Posing as a conference will allow a nation-state to get at an academic's knowledge and/or allow them to appeal to an academic via their political views, prior national status, or their ethnicity.

6) While posing as an innocent party, secure information covertly. This was not discussed by the release. This is for any nation-state. When a nation-state is interested in the academic's work, they can lure them to a safe area, and while they are away, the nation-state can secure information by stealing content in that person's possession.
 
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j-mac said:
Failed to answer a simple question.
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How do you figure that? The answer was right there, Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad.
 
j-mac said:
Containment of radical ideologies like the Islamist that threaten us now is a total pipe dream....Besides, appeasement is not containing anyone.
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Nonsense, nobody mentioned appeasement, I said containment, which, Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad were doing quite well.
 
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Montecresto said:
The Crumbling of the Middle Eastern Secularists

Starting with Suddam Hussein during the early part of the turn of the century the secular bulwarks of the Middle East began to crumble. In late 2010 the Arab Spring kicked off a wave of anti-government demonstrations that led to the downfall of four powerful Middle Eastern autocrats while leaving the last prominent few embattled. At the time, many in the West hailed the Arab Spring as a triumph for democracy and freedom for a region that has seen little of either. What many people failed to realize however was that these leaders, Qaddafi, Mubarak, Ben Ali, Saleh and even Assad were all secular leaders who had little tolerance for radical Islam.
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The only ones I saw hailing the "Arab Spring" as a triumph were those like you that were trying to pat Obama's appeasement on the back in the region. Now that it is clear that the MB, and that whole mess there was a huge failure, you magically want to make everyone forget that voices like yours were the ones actually cheering the uprising, and calling for Mubarak's head.
 
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