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Grant said:
Not without a lot of sacrifices along the way.
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Grant said:
What really bolsters islamists are the self loathing leftists living freely in the democracies, and recreating history to portray themselves as the aggressor, despite all the evidence we can clearly see in front of us today. This has been going on for decades and Orwell, who has rightly been mentioned more than once for his insights into human behavior, knew a great deal on this subject. So did Hayek. Free people turning on themselves is not a recent phenomena.
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Too funny. Who is it that hates themselves?

The wave of popular uprisings in North Africa and the Middle East that shook the region’s autocratic regimes in 2011 and 2012 gave rise to an unjustified euphoria in many Western media outlets and governments about an “Arab Spring”—a misnomer motivated by wishful thinking. Just under two years later, the picture is not so rosy.
While the overthrow of authoritarian regimes can give democracy a chance to bloom, in many countries it has also created opportunities for a wide spectrum of Islamist parties to exploit elections to advance their undemocratic agendas. Islamist insurgents and terrorist organizations also are well positioned to expand their influence amid the political instability that has emerged in many countries. After nearly two years of unrest, the Middle East has become an even more volatile and hostile strategic environment in which regional security, U.S. national interests, and Western values are increasingly under attack.

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Higgins86 said:
We lost our empire because we got bled dry fighting the Nazis for 6 years. Worth pointing out as well we have fought in Korea, the Falklands, both gulf wars, Afghanistan and the Baklands. in fact we have lost a solider every year sjnce WW2 so do me a favour and cut the small balls comments. Last time I checked the most successful terrorist attack ever happened in your homeland, its been over 10 years and these group's are still going strong.
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The English certainly had what it took at one time. Your military is fine. It is the people who have lost their testicles.
Let's see what happens this time. England looks more like Turkey and less like England. You and your politicians lack the will to stop the suicide of the nation.

You are not alone. We are only a few years behind you.

We were attacked because we posed a threat to Islamofascism. Today we have an Islamofascist Supporter who spends his time partying, vacationing, fund raising, and golfing. He did find the time to approve swapping five Islamofascist generals for one American deserter. While I criticise England for its failure I do so as a friend. I consider the centers of western culture to be the Greeks, the Romans, the British, and now the Americans. Each has failed in its turn due to a loss of will.
 
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Montecresto said:
About as frustrated as people are over our policies in the Middle East that have been beneficial to militant Islamic groups.
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Explain please.

Are you referring to the Islamofascist Supporter on the golf course decision to declare victory and leave Iraq? If so I agree. Had the Islamofascist Supporter not deserted ISIS would be contained within Syria. And none of us would care. But Obama, an Islamofascist Supporter, was funneling weapons and support equipment to ISIS from Libya, wasn't he? That is why he prevented the defense of the temporary consulate in Benghazi and allowed more Americans to be needlessly murdered.

A woman had her head sawn off by an Islamist in Great Britain. And you defend this barbarous act by arguing that we deserve it. Your real name is not Reverend Wright, is it?
 
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Montecresto said:
Too funny. Who is it that hates themselves?
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I believe that many on the Left loath their own countries.

The wave of popular uprisings in North Africa and the Middle East that shook the region’s autocratic regimes in 2011 and 2012 gave rise to an unjustified euphoria in many Western media outlets and governments about an “Arab Spring”—a misnomer motivated by wishful thinking.
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What do they have in common? All, or nearly all, were supported by the Islamofascist Supporter on the golf course, and his toadies in government and in the media. The Islamofascist Supporter abandoned friends and allies while encouraging our enemies.

Just under two years later, the picture is not so rosy.
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Nor was it rosy then.

While the overthrow of authoritarian regimes can give democracy a chance to bloom, in many countries it has also created opportunities for a wide spectrum of Islamist parties to exploit elections to advance their undemocratic agendas. Islamist insurgents and terrorist organizations also are well positioned to expand their influence amid the political instability that has emerged in many countries.
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So the Islamofascist Supporter got his way. His Islamofascist friends are sawing off heads in foreign countries while their allies work in our government.

After nearly two years of unrest, the Middle East has become an even more volatile and hostile strategic environment in which regional security, U.S. national interests, and Western values are increasingly under attack.
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And while the world burns the Islamofascist Supporter continues to slash our military strength. He has done more damage to this nation in his six years than the Soviets were able to do between WWII and their fall.
 
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Montecresto said:
Your point will be twisted of course to suggest that you are blaming the democracies for militant Islamists killing of women and children. But as you pointed out as simple earlier, is in fact the problem. There were no quarters for these extremists before the West removed Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad. In the resulting vacuum, has arisen a new problem, which is emboldening the radicals around the world. Meddling, can get you in trouble.
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When the Islamofascist Supporter on the golf course abandons friends and allies, when he is seen as utterly feckless, when he cuts and runs in Iraq and Afghanistan, one should expect that Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and his Islamofascist friends will begin to move. So we have seen what happens when Americans will vote for the man who promises to take from the productive to give to his unproductive voter base.

Elections have consequences. When Americans become as corrupt as we must have to vote in Obama the whole world burns. But the Obamaphones keep flowing.
 
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Misterveritis said:
When the Islamofascist Supporter on the golf course abandons friends and allies, when he is seen as utterly feckless, when he cuts and runs in Iraq and Afghanistan, one should expect that Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and his Islamofascist friends will begin to move. So we have seen what happens when Americans will vote for the man who promises to take from the productive to give to his unproductive voter base.

Elections have consequences. When Americans become as corrupt as we must have to vote in Obama the whole world burns. But the Obamaphones keep flowing.
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Well I hate to break it to you, but both Russia and China started "moving" as soon as Bush started his pre-emptive war in Iraq.
 
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Misterveritis said:
When the Islamofascist Supporter on the golf course abandons friends and allies, when he is seen as utterly feckless, when he cuts and runs in Iraq and Afghanistan, one should expect that Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, and his Islamofascist friends will begin to move. So we have seen what happens when Americans will vote for the man who promises to take from the productive to give to his unproductive voter base.

Elections have consequences. When Americans become as corrupt as we must have to vote in Obama the whole world burns. But the Obamaphones keep flowing.
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The U.S.-led war in Iraq has introduced new complications into security cooperation between the United States and Central Asia and revealed inconsistencies in the U.S. approach to regional security. The increased U.S. security focus on the region has led other regional powers--especially Russia, China, and India--to compete for influence there more overtly, and a continued American military presence is likely to create tensions in Russian-American relations in particular. Central Asian leaders concerned about the implications of the U.S. interest in “regime change” for their own rule, now have an added incentive to overstate terrorist threats facing their countries, while justifying the persecution of any political opposition and peaceful religious activity.
By highlighting antiterrorism in U.S. security cooperation with Central Asia, the United States addresses a symptom, rather than the causes of regional security; thus it is pursuing a counterproductive strategy, contributing to the radicalization of political opposition movements and discrediting both democratization and the U.S. commitment to it. Instead, the United States should do more to address the underlying human security problems in the region, which increase its vulnerability to terrorist movements. To this end, the U.S. Army should contribute to humanitarian demining efforts and expand training in drug interdiction there.
 
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lizzie said:
I don't refuse to accept it at all. History is full of bloodshed on all sides. The difference is that today's Christians aren't committing widespread rape, cutting off heads, and crucifying people.
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To be fair, there was a time, during the crusades, that "Christians" did horribly barbaric things to innocent people. Many of those people were Muslims.

Also, our "Christian" treatment of many Native Americans during the colonial expansion west was .... Ghastly.

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Kurmugeon said:
To be fair, there was a time, during the crusades, that "Christians" did horribly barbaric things to innocent people. Many of those people were Muslims.

Also, our "Christian" treatment of many Native Americans during the colonial expansion west was .... Ghastly.

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There is no need to be "fair" when referring to history. I'm sure you noticed that I attributed bloodshed to all sides, and that was the case. However, the western world seems to be running away with the progress, generally speaking, while much of the eastern world is damned determined to stay in the dark ages. If they would just keep their dark ages minds and practices contained there, rather than spreading it, I wouldn't care.
 
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lizzie said:
There is no need to be "fair" when referring to history. I'm sure you noticed that I attributed bloodshed to all sides, and that was the case. However, the western world seems to be running away with the progress, generally speaking, while much of the eastern world is damned determined to stay in the dark ages. If they would just keep their dark ages minds and practices contained there, rather than spreading it, I wouldn't care.
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I was pointing out that when it comes to evaluating the causes and longer term patterns of violence, relating to the event in the OP, we need to be humble.

We do not yet know if this event is the tip of a new wave of ethnocentric violence, but given world events (ISIS), and what little we do know of the perpetrator, and in the context of the other "Asian" violence occurring in Briton, it would be wise to be on guard and watchful.

It will be months before the whole story is known.

But if there are seven more beheading attacks in that time...

I really hope this event is just a single crazy person. Unfortunately, my sense of world event intuition says it is not.

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lizzie said:
the western world seems to be running away with the progress, generally speaking, while much of the eastern world is damned determined to stay in the dark ages. .
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Which also explains much of the terrorism. When people are taught they are superior but live in relative squalor because of those very teachings, they lash out in rage against those who make them feel inferior by having achieved such progress.
 
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Gardener said:
Which also explains much of the terrorism. When people are taught they are superior but live in relative squalor because of those very teachings, they lash out in rage against those who make them feel inferior by having achieved such progress.
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That tells me that their belief is one based in fear, and not based in actual devotion to their concept of God. It's the age-old human problem of wanting to have one's cake, and eat it too. It never works. Religion, if it is based in genuine belief, should bring joy as the side effect. If religion is based in fear, and is only a part of one's life as a matter of birth and tradition, it will never satisfy the human urge to find meaning.
 
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Montecresto said:
Too funny. Who is it that hates themselves?
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Instead of embracing yourself in denial why not do a litle bit of research on the subject? Or eve look at your own posts. You question self-hatred along with a link to American being in the dark yet again. If leftists had any sense of irony you would have excluded any link whatsoever and investigated the point being made.

An Age Of American Self-Loathing : NPR
Michael Moore and American self-hatred
A monthly manifesto of American self-loathing
 
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Montecresto said:
Well I hate to break it to you, but both Russia and China started "moving" as soon as Bush started his pre-emptive war in Iraq.
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So the Russians and Chinese are smart whereas the Americans are stupid. Of course it could be that Russians and Chinese are more cautious around the Islamic fanatics as well, given that they've both suffered attacks.
 
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Grant said:
So the Russians and Chinese are smart whereas the Americans are stupid. Of course it could be that Russians and Chinese are more cautious around the Islamic fanatics as well, given that they've both suffered attacks.
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Um, no. How'd you come up with that. My point is that both Russia and China have been pushing back on the US since Bush's war in Iraq, politically, and more recently economically, and militarily with increasing "incidents" as the bureaucrats like to say it. But then I suppose we're saying little about the poor woman who was beheaded, and the fact that there are those insisting that it was a crime associated with Muslim extremists.
 
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Woman is beheaded in broad daylight in a public place eh? How's that 'no gun's' law workin' out?
 
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j-mac said:
Woman is beheaded in broad daylight in a public place eh? How's that 'no gun's' law workin' out?
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Not very well if you're defenseless, and living among relatively uncivilized people. :(
 
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j-mac said:
Woman is beheaded in broad daylight in a public place eh? How's that 'no gun's' law workin' out?
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Ask us again when the US homicide rate falls to below 450% of the UK's.
 
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Andalublue said:
Ask us again when the US homicide rate falls to below 450% of the UK's.
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Oh so you're ok with beheading's in the public square as long as some other country has a higher homocide rate eh? Nice.
 
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Montecresto said:
Well I hate to break it to you, but both Russia and China started "moving" as soon as Bush started his pre-emptive war in Iraq.
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Really? Break it to me. What did they do? Did Russia invade any countries we had agreements with?
What did China do? North Korea? What did North Korea do? Iran has been probing our weaknesses and we should have declared war on them.
 
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Montecresto said:
Good to learn there was such opposition to the Iraq folly! Agreed, too bad it didn't stop Blair.
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The big rally in London was attended by 1,000,000 people the rest in large cities around the country. I attended in my own city

BTW and most significantly imo according to the BBC 1,000,000 Iraqis attended the protest in Baghdad
 
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Montecresto said:
The U.S.-led war in Iraq has introduced new complications into security cooperation between the United States and Central Asia and revealed inconsistencies in the U.S. approach to regional security. The increased U.S. security focus on the region has led other regional powers--especially Russia, China, and India--to compete for influence there more overtly, and a continued American military presence is likely to create tensions in Russian-American relations in particular. Central Asian leaders concerned about the implications of the U.S. interest in “regime change” for their own rule, now have an added incentive to overstate terrorist threats facing their countries, while justifying the persecution of any political opposition and peaceful religious activity.
By highlighting antiterrorism in U.S. security cooperation with Central Asia, the United States addresses a symptom, rather than the causes of regional security; thus it is pursuing a counterproductive strategy, contributing to the radicalization of political opposition movements and discrediting both democratization and the U.S. commitment to it. Instead, the United States should do more to address the underlying human security problems in the region, which increase its vulnerability to terrorist movements. To this end, the U.S. Army should contribute to humanitarian demining efforts and expand training in drug interdiction there.
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This is it? This is Russia and China on the move? LOL. This is the subtle give and take that goes on every year between local, regional, and world powers. Did Russia invade any countries we have defense agreements with?

This is an opinion piece done by someone who does not like antiterrorism.
 
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Montecresto said:
Um, no. How'd you come up with that. My point is that both Russia and China have been pushing back on the US since Bush's war in Iraq, politically, and more recently economically, and militarily with increasing "incidents" as the bureaucrats like to say it. But then I suppose we're saying little about the poor woman who was beheaded, and the fact that there are those insisting that it was a crime associated with Muslim extremists.
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Was the perp an Islamist? Don't you think sawing off some poor, defenseless woman's head with a knife is a bit extreme?
 
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