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Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden[W:335:480]

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Ockham said:
If Muslims did more to control their own extremists, a banner wouldn't be needed. And really - only the right carries it? :lamo
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I get so effing tired of this stupid stuff, sometimes, that I want to puke.How did we get to the point where "the left" automatically defends Islamism? Why is only "the right" objecting to it?

This anti-humanist ideology affects us all, it is against every liberal value we hold dear in western culture, and we should all be equally concerned, yet the battle lines keep getting drawn more and more severely by people who think they just HAVE to defend Islamism to earn their lefty cred.

good grief.
 
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Arcana XV said:
Most of the people I interact with on these forums are not really anti Muslim, but anti radical Islam. I mean who wouldn't be? These people are nucking futs. I just wish people wouldn't just repeat sketchy, unconfirmed or often downright false allegations until all the facts are in.
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With plenty of support on this board, the US has killed depending on who's figures you accept, tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of ordinary Muslim civilians in the ME. Our predator drone program alone has a terrible success rate, killing a huge disproportionate number of civilians to aledged enemy combatants. There most certainly is anti-Muslim sentiment on this board. Otherwise, EVERYBODY is opposed to radical Islam. Well, maybe excepting our government with a history of support of militant Islamists.
 
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Again, I know this is kinda difficult to understand. As far as I can tell there is no one here defending Islam. We are questioning the evidence Islam caused or contributed to this murder. The "right" seems to be looking for confirmation bias and finds it many places where there is no evidence.
Gardener said:
I get so effing tired of this stupid stuff, sometimes, that I want to puke.How did we get to the point where "the left" automatically defends Islamism? Why is only "the right" objecting to it?

This anti-humanist ideology affects us all, it is against every liberal value we hold dear in western culture, and we should all be equally concerned, yet the battle lines keep getting drawn more and more severely by people who think they just HAVE to defend Islamism to earn their lefty cred.

good grief.
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mak2 said:
Again, I know this is kinda difficult to understand. As far as I can tell there is no one here defending Islam. We are questioning the evidence Islam caused or contributed to this murder. The "right" seems to be looking for confirmation bias and finds it many places where there is no evidence.
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You think, maybe, that it's common for Lutherins or Episcopalians to behead people according to their religious tenets, do you?
 
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Blue_State said:
Butter knife?
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Depends how you carry it. In this country, a bit more strict about weapons than Britain, the police will take you down for ti if they believe it is being brandished as a weapon. We don't use tasers either, you go down by physical force or by gun.
 
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I think maybe it might have something to do with being bat **** crazy. But so far I have seen nuthing to lead me to beleive it is terrorist related.
Gardener said:
You think, maybe, that it's common for Lutherins or Episcopalians to behead people according to their religious tenets, do you?
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Montecresto said:
Most bigotry originates there, yes. But of course there are exceptions to every rule. And what the hell do you mean by suggesting Muslims are responsible for the crimes of a few radical Muslims. Are christians in general responsible for the radicals amongst their midst?
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I suggested that Muslims should be controlling their own more than they are. I said nothing about responsibility which you well know.

Christians who know about radicals in their ranks and do nothing to notify authorities are JUST as responsible for actions of those radicals morally - yes.
 
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mak2 said:
I think maybe it might have something to do with being bat **** crazy. But so far I have seen nuthing to lead me to beleive it is terrorist related.
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Bat **** crazy and religion are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Like I said in the very beginning -- take one crazy person, expose them to radical religious teachings and watch the results.

If it is true that he is a recent convert, this makes PERFECT sense, since anybody with a decent understanding of human psychology understands that these can be the most zealous people.
 
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Ockham said:
I suggested that Muslims should be controlling their own more than they are. I said nothing about responsibility which you well know.

Christians who know about radicals in their ranks and do nothing to notify authorities are JUST as responsible for actions of those radicals morally - yes.
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Montecresto actually THANKED a post that said all legal restrictions should be removed to killing Jews.

That will tell you all you need to know about his false cries about bigotry.
 
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PeteEU said:
This was a deranged guy.. he was running around shouting about cats. It is tragic as hell, but it was not terror but just a very sick individual gone nuts. Of course that does not stop the Newscorp empire from making this into an anti Muslim story.. but hey!
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The Muslim extremists are deranged very sick individuals, too. I'm not surprised there's some confusion about whether this sick bastard was a Muslim or not.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Equally illegal...
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Fine I'll carry a mace then...

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Gardener said:
He is described as a recent Muslim convert.

I had to look through quite a few British news sites until I found it mentioned as most routinely scrub that sort of relevant information from their reporting due to what they call "community sensitivities".

What the hell is being taught in British Mosques, anyway? In an age when London is a worldwide terrorist epicenter and those beheading journalists speak with a British accent, I would think a few more Brits might want to stand up and take notice.
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I think the British are waiting for the situation to become so bad that we have to invade.
 
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Ockham said:
I suggested that Muslims should be controlling their own more than they are. I said nothing about responsibility which you well know.

Christians who know about radicals in their ranks and do nothing to notify authorities are JUST as responsible for actions of those radicals morally - yes.
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What are moderate and peaceful Muslims to do about extremists that cut people's heads off? Notify authorities, too funny!
 
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Gardener said:
Montecresto actually THANKED a post that said all legal restrictions should be removed to killing Jews.

That will tell you all you need to know about his false cries about bigotry.
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Stop lying! Hear?
 
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Montecresto said:
Stop lying! Hear?
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I'm not lying.


Do I need to refer you to the mod who sent the foul piece of excrement to the basement complete with your thanks attached?
 
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Gardener said:
I'm not lying.


Do I need to refer you to the mod who sent the foul piece of excrement to the basement complete with your thanks attached?
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Thanks?
 
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PeteEU said:
British police are getting more and more American but they have so far retained the soul and humanity. Plus police in Europe are trained to only use deadly violence as an absolute last resort, where as it seems American police are trained (or not trained at all) to shoot at anything that moves.
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More anti American crapola.
 
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Simon Feltser said:
Ok, maybe he was a deranged guy and there is no terror-relation. But now I`m talking about the differences in the actions of the British police and our police. Why British police more accurate and humane? Why did our police lose their ground?
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Because in Britain they are rarely ever dealing with armed suspects. The U.K. had 653 intentional homicides in 2011. In the United States we had 14,827. I am not defending the militarization of the police in the USA, but its bad comparison between the police in the USA and those in the UK as the USA is a lot more violent and dangerous place than the UK is.
 
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TurtleDude said:
More anti American crapola.
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Ok fine. But his hyperbole does not excuse a moderate and growing problem of both police excess, and police militarisation.
 
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Montecresto said:
Thanks?
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I meant "like"

Thanks is the way it used to read.

You thanked a post that was about the most thoroughly revolting piece of ethnic hatred ever seen in this forum.
 
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Only 653 murders, what a bunch of woosies. We do better than that on a good summer weekend.
SouthernDemocrat said:
Because in Britain they are rarely ever dealing with armed suspects. The U.K. had 653 intentional homicides in 2011. In the United States we had 14,827. I am not defending the militarization of the police in the USA, but its bad comparison between the police in the USA and those in the UK as the USA is a lot more violent and dangerous place than the UK is.
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Because in Britain they are rarely ever dealing with armed suspects. The U.K. had 653 intentional homicides in 2011. In the United States we had 14,827. I am not defending the militarization of the police in the USA, but its bad comparison between the police in the USA and those in the UK as the USA is a lot more violent and dangerous place than the UK is.
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Correlation does not necessarily mean causation.
And you are being misleading is your statistics.... the U.S. population is like 6 times larger than the UKs.

Another fact about European countries is they are vastly more homogeneous than America. In the UK 87% of the people are Caucasian with the next highest population group being Black with 3%. In America it is 63% and the next highest group is 17% and the next 12%. This results in much greater cultural differences... also not to mention the Geography of America is vastly different than that of the UK which is on its own little island.

For example African American's account for over 50% of all murders in the US from 1980-2008 even though they represent only 12% of the population.

The combination of greater population totals, different cultures and ethnic groups, and geography makes these to Countries completely incomparable in that respect.
 
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celticwar17 said:
Correlation does not necessarily mean causation.
And you are being misleading is your statistics.... the U.S. population is like 6 times larger than the UKs.

Another fact about European countries is they are vastly more homogeneous than America. In the UK 87% of the people are Caucasian with the next highest population group being Black with 3%. In America it is 63% and the next highest group is 17% and the next 12%. This results in much greater cultural differences... also not to mention the Geography of America is vastly different than that of the UK which is on its own little island.

The combination of greater population totals, different cultures and ethnic groups, and geography makes these to Countries completely incomparable in that respect.
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I am not meaning to imply causation, I am just pointing out that the UK is a much more peaceful country than we are. Thus you can't really compare the fact their police are unarmed usually and ours can be armed like a military force. Moreover, population differences aside we still have better than 4 times the murder rate that they have in the UK.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I am not meaning to imply causation, I am just pointing out that the UK is a much more peaceful country than we are. Thus you can't really compare the fact their police are unarmed usually and ours can be armed like a military force. Moreover, population differences aside we still have better than 4 times the murder rate that they have in the UK.
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I think violence is much easier to contain on a homogeneous island... than the opposite...which is my point.
 
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HonestJoe said:
That's what the tabloid trash are trying to make us think. They want riots on the streets because that sells lots of papers.

He may well be a Muslim convert, though that's only coming from unnamed sources as are the statements about "beheading". It wouldn't be the first time if the tabloids got that wrong (or made it up).

The official police statements make clear that there doesn't seem to be any kind of terrorist-related motivation and the descriptions of events certainly point towards some kind of psychological episode.

The truth will come out in time (though not necessarily on the front pages) but that will sadly leave plenty of scope of the trolls and opportunists to stir things up. Please don't play along with them.
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There will be plenty of riots there anyway-your nation is flooded with Sharia proponents. Its not going to turn out well, I think.
 
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