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Woman beheaded in broad daylight in a London garden[W:335:480]

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nota bene said:
I'll admit that my source was the Daily Mail, but I did skim its headline about this, and my impression is that the man is mentally ill.
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I don't usually do impressions but it seems to me that anyone who decapitates any innocent person, anywhere, is mentally insane, but we seem to be very selective where we use that label. Can we say that those two who beheaded the journalists had a legitimate beef? Or those who support these guys are perfectly sane and are not a threat to public safety?

Seems to me we are making excuses for behavior that, in any rational society, would be termed insane.
 
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Grant said:
I don't usually do impressions but it seems to me that anyone who decapitates any innocent person, anywhere, is mentally insane, but we seem to be very selective where we use that label. Can we say that those two who beheaded the journalists had a legitimate beef? Or those who support these guys are perfectly sane and are not a threat to public safety?

Seems to me we are making excuses for behavior that, in any rational society, would be termed insane.
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They're all nuckin futs. Radical Islam is like a dangerous cult. Only deranged or weak minds get sucked in by dangerous cults. Of any kind.
 
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Gardener said:
What the hell is being taught in British Mosques, anyway?
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Caliphate or kill, kill, kill... Emphasis on the "hate."
 
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Gardener said:
You deal in dishonest false dichotomies.

Is it really beyond your ability to comprehend something so basic as the idea that a person acting alone can be influenced by religion without the necessity that a "conspiracy" is involved? Seems an easy enough concept to grasp.

Most people would see the modus operandi being so much in line with various Islamic teachings as to get a clue. If you prefer to stick your fingers in your ears and yell "nyah nyah nyah", though, be my guest.
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When did Islam start beheading cats for stealing lighters?
 
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nota bene said:
I'll admit that my source was the Daily Mail, but I did skim its headline about this, and my impression is that the man is mentally ill.
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Aren't all Islamofascists and their fellow travelers?
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
Because in Britain they are rarely ever dealing with armed suspects. The U.K. had 653 intentional homicides in 2011. In the United States we had 14,827. I am not defending the militarization of the police in the USA, but its bad comparison between the police in the USA and those in the UK as the USA is a lot more violent and dangerous place than the UK is.
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Fortunately, over here, we can defend ourselves with deadly force, if need be. This woman probably didn't stand a chance. If someone tried to behead me, you can be damn sure that they would be dead, if I had anything to do with it.
 
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nota bene said:
I'll admit that my source was the Daily Mail, but I did skim its headline about this, and my impression is that the man is mentally ill.
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Of course he was. Do you remember David Koresh? Was it his medical/psychological insanity that the media went on about, or was it his religious cult practices, which were blamed for his perverted behaviors? I seem to recall that his religion was the subject of great ridicule and disdain.
 
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Montecresto said:
Ok fine. But his hyperbole does not excuse a moderate and growing problem of both police excess, and police militarisation.
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which is why I advocate that any weapon civilian police are allowed to use, all the rest of us lawful citizens can freely own an purchase.
 
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lizzie said:
Of course he was. Do you remember David Koresh? Was it his medical/psychological insanity that the media went on about, or was it his religious cult practices, which were blamed for his perverted behaviors? I seem to recall that his religion was the subject of great ridicule and disdain.
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The left will pick and choose how they respond to these things as it fits them. No need for consistency.
 
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US Conservative said:
The left will pick and choose how they respond to these things as it fits them. No need for consistency.
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In all fairness and honestly, not everyone on the left. One of my favorite people on the planet is on the left, and he is absolutely able to see this issue clearly, and apply standards consistently. This issue is one of integrity when it comes to life values. Are those who condemn Christians for doing insane things, based on their religion, also willing to do the same when it comes to Islam? In my experience, that often is not the case. Islam is treated by a different standard, and the reason it is treated by a different standard, is because those who pay it undue reverence, and walk on eggshells around those who practice it, are cowards when it comes to confronting what is a growing problem around the world.
 
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US Conservative said:
The left will pick and choose how they respond to these things as it fits them. No need for consistency.
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Anyone who starts a statement with "the left," in an attempt to weakly generalize, has forfeited any and all credibility.
 
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Kobie said:
Anyone who starts a statement with "the left," in an attempt to weakly generalize, has forfeited any and all credibility.
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So you are now reduced to weak generalizations to criticize what you call weak generalizations. Makes sense.
 
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PeteEU said:
British police are getting more and more American but they have so far retained the soul and humanity. Plus police in Europe are trained to only use deadly violence as an absolute last resort, where as it seems American police are trained (or not trained at all) to shoot at anything that moves.
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All I know is, when an American cop finds out that a child is being raped, he tries to stop it. That alone makes American cops a hundred times better then British ones.
 
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lizzie said:
Islam is treated by a different standard, and the reason it is treated by a different standard, is because those who pay it undue reverence, and walk on eggshells around those who practice it, are cowards when it comes to confronting what is a growing problem around the world.
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I couldn't agree more. But two generations of Americans have been indoctrinated in public schools and in colleges that their country has such a deplorable history that it's barely worth defending. That's what millions of low-information leftists believe, but are not honest enough to admit. Combine that with their indoctrination that our culture is no better than anyone else's, and their willingness for to appease even the most vicious and depraved people in the world really isn't surprising.
 
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lizzie said:
Fortunately, over here, we can defend ourselves with deadly force, if need be. This woman probably didn't stand a chance. If someone tried to behead me, you can be damn sure that they would be dead, if I had anything to do with it.
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I think in terms of risks to your life, beheading is about one notch above death by alien abduction. Of course I have always thought it was funny when a guy that smokes 2 packs a day never leaves home unarmed out of fear they may need to defend their life. ;)
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I think in terms of risks to your life, beheading is about one notch above death by alien abduction. Of course I have always thought it was funny when a guy that smokes 2 packs a day never leaves home unarmed out of fear they may need to defend their life. ;)
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I agree, but I doubt the woman would agree with you on that.
 
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lizzie said:
Of course he was. Do you remember David Koresh? Was it his medical/psychological insanity that the media went on about, or was it his religious cult practices, which were blamed for his perverted behaviors? I seem to recall that his religion was the subject of great ridicule and disdain.
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Oh, yes, the Branch Davidians. The Seven Seals (I think?) and all that. I remember that Friday outside of Waco very well.
 
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lizzie said:
In all fairness and honestly, not everyone on the left. One of my favorite people on the planet is on the left, and he is absolutely able to see this issue clearly, and apply standards consistently. This issue is one of integrity when it comes to life values. Are those who condemn Christians for doing insane things, based on their religion, also willing to do the same when it comes to Islam? In my experience, that often is not the case. Islam is treated by a different standard, and the reason it is treated by a different standard, is because those who pay it undue reverence, and walk on eggshells around those who practice it, are cowards when it comes to confronting what is a growing problem around the world.
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Most of the New Atheists like Dawkins, are more critical of Islam than any other religion. That said, what is accomplished by speaking out against Islam in general and not just radical Islamists? There are over a billion Muslims. If the president attacked Islam, all he is doing is deeply offending 1 billion people and confirming what the radical Islamists claim when they say that the west is at war with Islam.
 
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Kobie said:
Anyone who starts a statement with "the left," in an attempt to weakly generalize, has forfeited any and all credibility.
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The left lives in denial.
 
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Grant said:
The left lives in denial.
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Thank you for illustrating my point so succinctly.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I think in terms of risks to your life, beheading is about one notch above death by alien abduction. Of course I have always thought it was funny when a guy that smokes 2 packs a day never leaves home unarmed out of fear they may need to defend their life. ;)
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Fuggetabodit, huh?
 
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Kobie said:
Anyone who starts a statement with "the left," in an attempt to weakly generalize, has forfeited any and all credibility.
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Someone who criticizes a generalization with a generalization. Priceless...
 
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Simon Feltser said:
Well, it`s terrible. And we don`t know wether it was the attack terror-related or not. And another point in this: "officers used a taser to apprehend the suspect". I note that this is a dangerous criminal, rather than a simple thief. Why do our policemen shoot-to-kill in any situation?
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Regular London Police Officers don't carry firearms had these been a tactical squad confronted by a deadly weapon they would have likely used deadly force, or perhaps in your rush to lump **** on the US you forgot about the Brazilian subway goer in London not committing any crime except carrying a back pack who got shot and killed a couple of years back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes
 
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