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Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack [W:222]

No, those are the words some underlings claim were used, two years after it happened, around the same time a book is coming out about it.

So? I never served, but even I know if a fool rushes into a battle unprepared, then said fool becomes a dead fool.
And I believe there has been countless investigations and countless documents handed over to Congressional investigations and if the biggest feather Benghazi conspiracy theorists have in their cap is a local CIA commander told them to his underlings to wait before heading out because he was trying to coordinate and get more information, then the desperation is incredibly thick.
When information is scarce one marches toward the sound of the guns.

These were professionals. They knews the area and they knew what they needed to know to start.

Has there been a Select Committee called for the Benghazi investigation? Are witnesses placed under oath and deposed by professional investigators? Until that happens we will not know the truth.
 
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Doesn't matter who is selling a book or not, it doesn't undo what happened. Hey, does anyone know what Obama did when he heard about the attacks?
I think he **** his pants.
 
No, those are the words some underlings claim were used, two years after it happened, around the same time a book is coming out about it.

So? I never served, but even I know if a fool rushes into a battle unprepared, then said fool becomes a dead fool.[/b
And I believe there has been countless investigations and countless documents handed over to Congressional investigations and if the biggest feather Benghazi conspiracy theorists have in their cap is a local CIA commander told them to his underlings to wait before heading out because he was trying to coordinate and get more information, then the desperation is incredibly thick.


If he sits on his laurels and does nothing, his comrades will have a higher risk of dying. It's what being a soldier is all about.
 
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How many more guys selling books will we hear from?

And if a local CIA guy made the stand down call on his own authority, what exactly is Hillary's problem?

A leader is responsible for the conduct of the people under his--or her--charge.
 
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So... just to be clear... you think that you know more about the impact of the budget on the security of the consulate in Benghazi... than the person who was actually in charge of security at the consulate in Benghazi... ?

If we're talking about the State official who denied the requests for more security because as she said, "we had the correct number of assets in Benghazi on the night of 9/11 security in Benghazi" ....then perhaps I do. She was likely just trying to cut costs due to budget constraints.
 
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If we're talking about the State official who denied the requests for more security because she said that security in Benghazi was adequate ....then perhaps I do.

:shrug: once you create a circular argument, you aren't really reachable.

She was likely just trying to cut costs.

:lol: so you are hinging your argument on the assumption that government employees are willing to take professional risks in order to reduce costs? :)
 
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Why does Obama serve as radical extremist Muslim?
Obama serves no one save Obama.

He is an Islamofascist supporter where he works tirelessly to support the Islamofascists from the golf courses around the nation.
 
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:shrug: once you create a circular argument, you aren't really reachable.
A simple remedy for that is for you to stop spinning my argument and making up strawmen to argue against. :shrug:


:lol: so you are hinging your argument on the assumption that government employees are willing to take professional risks in order to reduce costs? :)

So you really do believe her, huh? It looks like you're hinging your argument on the assumption that a government employee always tells the truth. lol
 
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[...] We now know that U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens was concerned about al-Qaeda, Islamic extremism and security at his consulate in Benghazi, all because of a diary he kept [...]
Since we've moved off the original topic I presume the point being made in the OP has been abandoned. So, to address this new topic (inadequate security), I have read the point above and believe it to be factual, but can't understand why it is so at odds with the following point which also seems to be factual:

By Nancy A. Youssef -- McClatchy Foreign Staff -- May 14, 2013

CAIRO — In the month before attackers stormed U.S. facilities in Benghazi and killed four Americans, U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens twice turned down offers of security assistance made by the senior U.S. military official in the region in response to concerns that Stevens had raised in a still secret memorandum, two government officials told McClatchy.

Read more here: CAIRO: Ambassador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security, U.S. officials say | Middle East | McClatchy DC
[...] Oh, because of what Nordstrom Testified to....and due to that little fact of the Security waiver and never having any adequate protections in the first place. It was the answer all along.....not just a clue.


U.S. Security Official in Libya Tells Congressional Investigators About ‘Inappropriately Low’ Security at Benghazi Post..... [...]
As I noted in my post that you responded to (quoted above), I did not dispute the veracity of Steven's diary entry about security concerns, which -- in case you misunderstood -- means that I did not dispute that there could be a lack of security.

So I'm puzzled why you chose to repeat that lack-of-security point instead of addressing the counterpoint that I also noted in my post about Steven's refusing additional security. What do you think about that refusal? Since the blame game seems to be in play here by the right, wouldn't it seem that he put his own life at risk?
 
All debate is that kind of debate. Anything else is yelling at each other like lunatics, if you're interested in that. I'm not.

Within reasonable limits, that's true. The chief difference is that some of us are about civil discussions, when possible. That's not necessarily the type of debate you may be interested, but to each his own, I suppose.
 
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Apparently, you want to believe that Lamb's testimony is true so here's the rest of her testimony.....

""We had the correct number of assets in Benghazi on the night of 9/11," Lamb testified.


Do you still believe her?


U.S. security officer, Eric Nordstrom, twice requested additional security for the mission in Benghazi from his superiors at the State Department. His requests were denied. According to Nordstrom, State Department official, Charlene Lamb, wanted to keep the security presence in Benghazi "artificially low".

U.S. officer got no reply to requests for more security in Benghazi | Reuters

Yes, she absolutely said that, and to that Issa immediately said he didn't believe that for a moment...



I also believe that was a bit of CYA on her part....For instance why no increased security? Was it lack of funding? We already know that from her own lips she said 'No Sir', well, then was it a spontaneous attack? We also know the answer to that is no. In fact we know that after previous attacks on other embassy's and consulates in the area that Stevens begged for more security and was turned down by State because they wanted to optics to show "normalized relations".... It was a dumb plan, and it got people killed. Period.
 
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It would have just been 3 more dead guys. The RW is really shameful, using the deaths of Americans for political gain, and trying to bash Obama becaue there werent mroe deaths. What are we 2 years out? and still no evidence of wrongdoing.
 
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Who was Obama fighting in Lybia?

Muslims? Or someone else?

The Libyan govt on behalf of French oil interests IIRC, though it may have just been humanitarian support for the rebels.
 
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It would have just been 3 more dead guys. The RW is really shameful, using the deaths of Americans for political gain, and trying to bash Obama becaue there werent mroe deaths. What are we 2 years out? and still no evidence of wrongdoing.

Hypocrisy.
 
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It would have just been 3 more dead guys. The RW is really shameful, using the deaths of Americans for political gain, and trying to bash Obama becaue there werent mroe deaths. What are we 2 years out? and still no evidence of wrongdoing.

Oh there is all kinds of evidence of things done wrong, it's just that people like you that are so mired in Obama love and easily swayed by any, and every excuse that comes down the liars pike that you will possibly never see it.
 
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Show me some real evidence of wrongdoing. Things always go wrong in combat.
Oh there is all kinds of evidence of things done wrong, it's just that people like you that are so mired in Obama love and easily swayed by any, and every excuse that comes down the liars pike that you will possibly never see it.
 
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The Libyan govt on behalf of French oil interests IIRC, though it may have just been humanitarian support for the rebels.

I believe that Stevens was there to meet the Turk ambassador to finalize a deal to send arms through Turkish ports into Syria....So in the end Obama was making a deal with the ISIS devil and got burned, and now is afraid to engage them....He's a huge *****.
 
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Fantasy much? Hell you know, you could be right, but Obama also could ahve sent him to meet space aliens too, and you have about the same amount of real evidence.
I believe that Stevens was there to meet the Turk ambassador to finalize a deal to send arms through Turkish ports into Syria....So in the end Obama was making a deal with the ISIS devil and got burned, and now is afraid to engage them....He's a huge *****.
 
Re: Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack US security team

It would have just been 3 more dead guys. The RW is really shameful, using the deaths of Americans for political gain, and trying to bash Obama becaue there werent mroe deaths. What are we 2 years out? and still no evidence of wrongdoing.

There has been evidence of wrongdoing since the beginning. Of course, if you don't think that lying to the American people for craven political purposes is wrong, you may not agree.
 
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You talking about the movie causing the riot? There were riots in other areas of the regions reportedly casused by that. Why is that so important? Lying is always wrong, not just when Obama does it.
There has been evidence of wrongdoing since the beginning. Of course, if you don't think that lying to the American people for craven political purposes is wrong, you may not agree.
 
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Show me some real evidence of wrongdoing. Things always go wrong in combat.

Why should I? I need not prove anything to you (a true believer)...It's all out there, in testimony, and reports. Frankly for those who aren't blinded by their worship of "the One" it is clear as a bell.

Fantasy much? Hell you know, you could be right, but Obama also could ahve sent him to meet space aliens too, and you have about the same amount of real evidence.

It doesn't take a genius investigator to put together what went on that night, nor what led up to it happening, but I understand that true believers like yourself won't believe anything if Obama says anything to the contrary, and that includes evidence right in front of your nose....So Carry on.
 
When information is scarce one marches toward the sound of the guns.
Not when you're supposed to be covert, you don't.
If he sits on his laurels and does nothing, his comrades will have a higher risk of dying. It's what being a soldier is all about.
They weren't Army, they were CIA. Big difference. Furthermore, if you just run in and have no idea what is going on, there's a great chance you'll die. Instead of one soldier dying, now there are two, and that doesn't help anyone.
 
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Of course.
Why should I? I need not prove anything to you (a true believer)...It's all out there, in testimony, and reports. Frankly for those who aren't blinded by their worship of "the One" it is clear as a bell.



It doesn't take a genius investigator to put together what went on that night, nor what led up to it happening, but I understand that true believers like yourself won't believe anything if Obama says anything to the contrary, and that includes evidence right in front of your nose....So Carry on.
 
Not when you're supposed to be covert, you don't.
They weren't Army, they were CIA. Big difference. Furthermore, if you just run in and have no idea what is going on, there's a great chance you'll die. Instead of one soldier dying, now there are two, and that doesn't help anyone.

That's why you don't let liberals watch your back...They'll more than likely let you die.
 
I was talking to a very conservative friend of mine Saturday night who was both infantry and later a chopper piolt in VN. I asked him if he had some troops lightly armed pinned down by 50-70 VN and 3 guys with handguns that may or may not be able to get to them but have minimal means to resist when they did, whould he sen them? Without even thinking he said no, it would just be 3 more dead guys with no hope of accomplishing anything. No doubt if there was a chance he would...but not sending 3 guys to die for no reason is not a criminal order. Also the right talks about standown like it is some sort of mystical bad evil word.
Not when you're supposed to be covert, you don't.
They weren't Army, they were CIA. Big difference. Furthermore, if you just run in and have no idea what is going on, there's a great chance you'll die. Instead of one soldier dying, now there are two, and that doesn't help anyone.
 
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