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ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

JumpinJack said:
Americans need to stop going there. From military to dogs to journalists to aid workers. Get out, and stay out. We have no business there.

NOW do others see why it took a Saddam Hussein to run Iraq? He was brutal, but he sure as heck kept out the terrorists and Iran. That part of the world is like that. They live lower than animals. They don't reason, they don't think logically, they don't value life. They're fanatics.
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And they're coming to a theater near you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5BtQgTGOI4
 
JumpinJack said:
NOW do others see why it took a Saddam Hussein to run Iraq? He was brutal, but he sure as heck kept out the terrorists and Iran. That part of the world is like that. They live lower than animals. They don't reason, they don't think logically, they don't value life. They're fanatics.
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Arabs are subhuman?
 
These ISIS militants are so useful. They boast their barbaric methods by beheading civilians, they threat everyone else in the world, they present their backward mentality coming from the medieval ages, and they invite more and more extremists from all over the place.

The ISIS position is very polar from the rest of the civilian world. So first you have an example of barbarianism that you could use as a sample how Muslims in civilian world should not be like. Nations can warn their religious politicians that for example a religious requirement such as burka's in schools sound like women that live in ISIS and such for example. Enforcing religious concepts into people's throats seems like an ISIS behavior, etc.

You have a highly televised hellish extreme of Islam in ISIS. That is the limit, and whatever aims to that direction could be stopped by using ISIS as an example.

When all the Muslims in western countries are put to their civil place (i.e., away from ISIS like behaviors, that they cannot really support to live like [for their own good]), no one is left needing ISIS, and say they become a nuisance in the area, then they could be put off easily.
 
poweRob said:
Looks like bad alliances are going to have to be made. buddying up with Assad so that we can squeeze ISIL back into his brick wall as they are pushed out of Iraq.

Starting to make more sense why iron fisted dictators ran the middle east... just to suppress these even more extreme nutjobs.
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ITA on that second part. These people are so out of control that it makes sense that they can't live under a democracy, so a dictatorship seems to be the only rule (such as it is) that these people respond to.

For the first part, that's interesting and I didn't think of that. We are going to need some allies that we probably under normal circumstances would shun, but we will need them.

<sigh> What a crazy world we live in.

Both Foley & Sotloff had deep ties to New Hampshire. Foley was from here and his parents live here. Sotloff attended Kimball Union Academy which is a prep school here. This is all consuming on our news.
 
tres borrachos said:
ITA on that second part. These people are so out of control that it makes sense that they can't live under a democracy, so a dictatorship seems to be the only rule (such as it is) that these people respond to.
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Thereby whomever is not comfortable to live in democracy, but is more comfortable to live in ISIS, they the logical conclusion may be willing relocation.
 
beefheart said:
It is indeed horrific, and thoughts go to his family, it is a horrible human tradgedy.

But is this all that ISIS can do? Kill American hostages who are tied up? What happens when they run out of them? More sternly worded warnings?

Are we supposed to quake in fear? Are supposed to spend another trillion and thousands of soldier's lives?

I'm not impressed by their attempts to scare us.
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Yeah you're right. No big deal. :roll:

I'm not scared, I'm pissed and it sounds like you don't think we should do anything about it but issue our own sternly worded letter or maybe an apology.
 
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tres borrachos said:
We are going to need some allies that we probably under normal circumstances would shun, but we will need them.
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Unfortunately I cannot agree with you there. This has been a method which has caused the current foreign policy nightmare we are in now IMO. The "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" method just ends up biting us later in the bite. Sure, short-term it may work, but long-term we just keep up an endless war cycle which is where ISIS has thrived on in the first place.
 
X Factor said:
Yeah you're right. No big deal. :roll:

I'm not scared, I'm pissed and it sounds like you don't think we should do anything about it but issue our own sternly worded letter or maybe an apology.
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No, I am for targeted airstrikes. Not for sending in 5000 troops and having it turn into a multi year trillion dollar boondoggle.
 
tres borrachos said:
ITA on that second part. These people are so out of control that it makes sense that they can't live under a democracy, so a dictatorship seems to be the only rule (such as it is) that these people respond to.

For the first part, that's interesting and I didn't think of that. We are going to need some allies that we probably under normal circumstances would shun, but we will need them.

<sigh> What a crazy world we live in.

Both Foley & Sotloff had deep ties to New Hampshire. Foley was from here and his parents live here. Sotloff attended Kimball Union Academy which is a prep school here. This is all consuming on our news.
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You're right. We need as many Allies as possible in order to defeat the beast. In fact this shared commonality of working together against a common enemy might make for closer ties with these countries.
 
Wiggen said:
Funny how rightists have no problem blaming Obama for everything...dood is responsible for all of the world's ills...all of them...and don't ever forget it!
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I dont blame him for all the worlds ills. Just the things he has been responsible for. And I have both given him credit where due and refused to criticize on things like the Bergdahl/terrorist swap. Your problem is you simply by gawd will not hold him accountable for ANYTHING. You even offer this ridiculous pretense that he DIDNT support the terrorists in the Arab Spring uprisings...that he DIDNT support the fundamentalist extremist groups that ousted Mubarak and Qaddafi and that he didnt support them in Syria. Every place he as dabbled his wick he has ****ed it up. He tried to claim Iraq was a great success and that look at meeeeeee...I ended the war in Iraq. Only to find that Iraq is a ****storm, that he GROSSLY underestimated ISIS and Al Qaida, and all of a sudden...whoa whoa whoa...I didnt pull out our troops...that was Bush. I didnt make any mistakes there...that was all Bush.

You made your ridiculous comment about going to war with mejico. You cant see how completely ****ing embarrassing it is that he has such a pathetic relationship with world leaders that that couldnt be accomplished with a phone call and a few post cards from DC?

Dood is a joke. He is an embarrassment. I'll bet that when you arent rushing to kneejerk defend him, you feel the exact same way about him.
 
Trying to pick a fight with the most powerful countries in the world by killing your bargaining chips isn't the smartest move in the world.
 
JumpinJack said:
They are truly evil. Worse than animals. Animals don't do such things.
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Humans are more barbaric and cruel than any other animal. Once you realize that we are the most violent, cruel and barbaric species on the planet it only makes sense to use humans as the measuring stick of evil. The only difference between ISIS and us is that we have evolved past the point they are still stuck at.
 
tres borrachos said:
ITA on that second part. These people are so out of control that it makes sense that they can't live under a democracy, so a dictatorship seems to be the only rule (such as it is) that these people respond to.

For the first part, that's interesting and I didn't think of that. We are going to need some allies that we probably under normal circumstances would shun, but we will need them.

<sigh> What a crazy world we live in.

Both Foley & Sotloff had deep ties to New Hampshire. Foley was from here and his parents live here. Sotloff attended Kimball Union Academy which is a prep school here. This is all consuming on our news.
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I feel for the families of the remaining hostages and of course the hostages themselvesthat remain. I don't think these nutjobs would ever consider not killing.
 
Wiggen said:
I think the President of the United States has more worthy causes than worrying about a Marine who either is the biggest idiot in the Marine Corps or is a man with absolutely no sense of direction. Either way, it's not the President's responsibility to rescue him. He didn't send him there.
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So he should be left to rot in a Mexican prison?

Great show of compassion.
 
poweRob said:
I feel for the families of the remaining hostages and of course the hostages themselvesthat remain. I don't think these nutjobs would ever consider not killing.
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There are more beheadings to come, but as I said earlier in the thread, this may well backfire.

Besides, after they behead a woman and then a baby or two, what's left to shock the world?
 
Roadvirus said:
So he should be left to rot in a Mexican prison?

Great show of compassion.
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Much like foreigners who violate American law are left to 'rot' in U.S. prisons. I don't see a lot of threads about them.
 
Grant said:
It seems to reflect Obama's attitude toward the military. A phone call would fix it.
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How do you know a phone call would fix it? and yes, we know about Obama's contempt for the military. Just ask Bergdahl.
 
poweRob said:
I feel for the families of the remaining hostages and of course the hostages themselvesthat remain. I don't think these nutjobs would ever consider not killing.
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Think about it...can you imagine being a hostage right now, knowing what they did to the others, and just biding your time, waiting for your turn. That right there is cruel and torturous.

Those people are sub-human savages. Makes me so glad I wasn't born there, you know?
 
Roadvirus said:
The article says beheading invokes fear.

I don't know about the rest of you, but it invokes anger in me. And anger is a deadlier emotion then fear.
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It doesn't invoke fear in you because you aren't currently in the Middle East.
 
JC_CT said:
It doesn't invoke fear in you because you aren't currently in the Middle East.
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You are probably right about that. So does ISIS just not understand that, or are they trying to make us mad instead of fearful.
 
Wiggen said:
How do you know a phone call would fix it? and yes, we know about Obama's contempt for the military. Just ask Bergdahl.
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Just mention a cut in foreign aid and that should do the job.

Bergdahl deserted the military and was celebrated by Obama in the Rose Garden.. You've made my case.
 
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