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ISIS Beheads Steven Sotloff.....

I blame Bush.
 
ISIS cuts off the head of the first American and threatens to do it again if Obama continues to bomb them.
GOPs want them bombed.
Obama bombs ISIS last week and then tells congress yesterday.

Another American has his head cut off and they threaten to do it again if we bomb them again.
The GOPs want them bombed again.

Obama will bomb them again.
The third American will have her head cut off, if it already hasn't happened .
Fenton said:
I blame Bush.
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nota bene said:
Thanks for posting this. Glad the point was made that the execution video's audience isn't the West but, rather, ISIS fanboys.

I don't know that I agree that women possibly being held "changes the optics completely," which is what Golodryga says. Why wouldn't they execute women, whom they regard as little better than dogs? I wouldn't be surprised if they filmed other acts of brutality they might perpetrate on a woman. Would you?
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Yeah I have seen the pics of the women they had in chains and that they would put into slavery.....and I am sure they have much worse.
 
NIMBY said:
ISIS cuts off the head of the first American and threatens to do it again if Obama continues to bomb them.
GOPs want them bombed.
Obama bombs ISIS last week and then tells congress yesterday.

Another American has his head cut off and they threaten to do it again if we bomb them again.
The GOPs want them bombed again.

Obama will bomb them again.
The third American will have her head cut off, if it already hasn't happened .
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So why is Diane Feinstein and Menendez saying they want the Terrorists Bombed, again? Did you still want to try and put it all on the GOP? Or did you miss all those Articles of the Demos that want something done. Including BO reporting to the Senate and Intel Chairs. Do you always try and push the false Narrative with left and their feigned innocence?
 
NIMBY said:
They also reported that the film was exactly the same.
They also reported that the three were captured at the same time.
Whether you want to admit it or not, MMC always leaves out the rest of the story in bashing the President.

I also watch Bret Baier's newshour on FOX right now and it is a must-see for me.

As they just stated correctly, Obama is best to put on unilaterasl action on immigration until after the election.
There are fewer Hispanic voters in tight Senate races.

And why is candidate Brown lying his ass off about Obama and Shaheen together supporting pro-Amnesty?
It was the GOP's Reagan who granted the first amnesty, opening the floodgates to this current round.
Look at all of the appreciative Hispanics who voted for GWB twice.
Not so since the TEA-party took over the GOP .
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Hey Nimby, not even sure why Brown is focused on amnesty up here, and immigration and border control. We are so far from it that most people don't care, and we aren't scared of the French Canadians who immigrate down here.

Brown's commercials suck but then again so do Shaheen's. I'm a Jim Rubens girl myself. I'm voting for him next Tuesday, but I think Brown will win the primary.

I missed Baier's show, which is one of my favorites. I usually Tivo to watch later but I didn't get the chance tonight - kids' soccer games.
 
VanceMack said:
Meanwhile, this gem....

"Secretary of State John Kerry last week told his Egyptian counterpart that the United States would speed up the delivery of Apache attack helicopters, although it is not clear the Apaches would be used in any Libyan operations."

So...Bush ousting Hussein...that was a 'bad thing'. The Obama administration supporting terror groups in the ousting of Mubarak and Qaddafi and Assad...thats...a good thing. Arming them. Thats a good thing. Maybe we can engage our Libyan Embassy to oversee things...oh...wait...the Embassy compound is in rebel control.

Thank goodness football season is here.
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Yup. I need Eli Manning to piss me off a few times this weekend to take my mind off this. My head is spinning.
 
Threats by depraved savages to murder Westerners cannot be allowed to determine U.S. policy toward those savages. This is warfare, and it is simply not possible to avoid this kind of thing completely. A great power cannot surrender the initiative to people like these. As soon as targets can be identified, U.S. aircraft should destroy them. No need to wait until the list is complete. And if Raqqah is the main stronghold for these people, attacking that city in general should not be out of the question. If these war criminals conceal themselves in towns and cities, and the people there agree to harbor them, those people make themselves targets too.
 
matchlight said:
Threats by depraved savages to murder Westerners cannot be allowed to determine U.S. policy toward those savages. This is warfare, and it is simply not possible to avoid this kind of thing completely. A great power cannot surrender the initiative to people like these. As soon as targets can be identified, U.S. aircraft should destroy them. No need to wait until the list is complete. And if Raqqah is the main stronghold for these people, attacking that city in general should not be out of the question. If these war criminals conceal themselves in towns and cities, and the people there agree to harbor them, those people make themselves targets too.
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I was thinking something similar.

I wonder if it would be possible to send a message to the people of that town that they have X hours to rid themselves of ISIS or else we would carpet bomb the entire town. Of course if we issued such threat, we would actually have to go through with it if the townspeople didn't eradicate ISIS in their area. I'm not sure how we would verify that.
 
MMC said:
Heya NB.
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Here is bit from Michael Isikoff on them using Social Media.


Video Claims to Show U.S. Reporter's Beheading by ISIL....

Yahoo News and Finance Anchor Bianna Golodryga talks with Yahoo News Chief Investigative Correspondent Michael Isikoff about the brutality of ISIL and the controversy concerning the Obama administration's handling of the terrorist group.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/video/video-claims-show-u-reporter-170000813.html
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Here's the Telegraph's take: Where does the Islamic State's fetish with beheading people come from? - Telegraph
 
donsutherland1 said:
While I don't disagree, the requirements of leadership are not easy. Sometimes, leadership requires a President to go against the popular sentiment and to build the consensus necessary to address critical or vital matters.

Planning a strategy for a scenario where the most extreme party currently exploiting the Mideast's sectarian rivalries poses a threat to American regional interests and strategic allies should have been part of the overall national security planning process. Such a strategy would invariably have to consider how to build Congressional and public support for a range of measures. In a region with complex sectarian fault lines and ongoing sectarian conflicts, one cannot overstate the importance of contingency planning. The more fluid or more uncertain events are, the more essential it is to undertake rigorous contingency planning for scenarios that pose the largest short-term risks or have the largest long-term implications for American interests and strategic American allies. IMO, the last two Administrations (Bush and Obama) have done an inadequate job with such planning and were put in positions of largely having to react to events (insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan, lack of preparedness when the Arab Spring proved to be a sectarian not democratic phenomenon, renewed civil strife in Iraq, exploitation of eroding central authority by extreme actors such as Al Nusra and ISIS, etc) in an excessively ad hoc fashion. Over the medium-term and beyond, reaction is not a substitute for strategy and overreliance on ad hoc responses to events raises the costs of safeguarding American interests and/or erodes the nation's ability to do so.
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That's the part the Neo Libs and Neo Cons keeps parroting about. The Arab Spring.....but you called it as the facts showed it to be DS.
 
VanceMack said:
Meanwhile, this gem....

"Secretary of State John Kerry last week told his Egyptian counterpart that the United States would speed up the delivery of Apache attack helicopters, although it is not clear the Apaches would be used in any Libyan operations."

So...Bush ousting Hussein...that was a 'bad thing'. The Obama administration supporting terror groups in the ousting of Mubarak and Qaddafi and Assad...thats...a good thing. Arming them. Thats a good thing. Maybe we can engage our Libyan Embassy to oversee things...oh...wait...the Embassy compound is in rebel control.

Thank goodness football season is here.
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Obama sees the jihadists as the good guys. It ain't rocket science.
 
NIMBY said:
What MMC doesn't tell you is that the film is the same as the first one.
That the two were beheaded at the same time.
And released separately.
This is what Terrorists do.
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Maybe not, while there are many similarities, not everything is the same:

It is unclear exactly when the video was filmed, but the killer makes a reference to recent US bombings in Iraq, including in Amerli and the Mosul Dam. Iraqi forces, aided by US strikes, retook the town of Amerli last Sunday, indicating the video could have been made in the past two days.

Sotloff’s hair and beard appear to have grown since his initial appearance in the James Foley video, so the video may have been shot at a later date.
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Video of Steven Sotloff beheading bears many similarities to James Foley killing | Media | theguardian.com
 
imagep said:
I was thinking something similar.

I wonder if it would be possible to send a message to the people of that town that they have X hours to rid themselves of ISIS or else we would carpet bomb the entire town. Of course if we issued such threat, we would actually have to go through with it if the townspeople didn't eradicate ISIS in their area. I'm not sure how we would verify that.
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A couple things come to mind. The President could emphasize and reiterate that while this country remains entirely committed to the laws of war, it is determined to destroy a group whose members stand completely outside all law and are the common enemies of all mankind. He might also make clear that while it has always been against both U.S. policy and the law of war to target noncombatants intentionally, the U.S. will consider anyone it knows to be harboring or aiding these people subject to attack as an unlawful combatant. And since we mean to attack those unlawful combatants, we cannot guarantee the safety of noncombatants near them. Warning leaflets could also be dropped on population centers that were to be attacked.

The purpose of these actions would be to give the many hundreds of thousands or even millions of Arabs who are obviously cooperating with these jihadists a strong incentive to stop doing that, and turn them out where they could be bombed in the open. If the people of an entire city decide to turn on a few thousand no-goods, they can easily force them out or kill them themselves.

No decent person wants to see even one innocent civilian get killed in a bombing, but these jihadists are a threat to people around the world and simply cannot be allowed to survive. They have killed many tens of thousands of people in Syria already, and probably thousands in Iraq. If they are not destroyed now, they will attract more followers and gain in strength, and go on to slaughter tens of thousands more innocent people.
 
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tres borrachos said:
MMC wasn't withholding information, Nimby. MSNBC reported it at the same time.
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That's Right TB....as the time that Reuters put it out and from the second update was 15 mins from the original report. Post 9. Then it was 9 mins out from the Jewish Paper from the time Reuters put it out. Which was the First post. ;)


MMC said:
This was just updated 15 mins ago TB. Reuters put it out first......snip~


As you can see that's how far from the truth he really is and was.....I luv when the time always shows those BS excuses for what they are. :lol:
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VanceMack said:
You honest to God believe the only leverage the President of the United States has is to go to war or even have to threaten to go to war?

Brilliant. :roll:
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I think the President of the United States has more worthy causes than worrying about a Marine who either is the biggest idiot in the Marine Corps or is a man with absolutely no sense of direction. Either way, it's not the President's responsibility to rescue him. He didn't send him there.
 
apdst said:
Obama sees the jihadists as the good guys. It ain't rocket science.
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I just wonder when the left is going to start laying the body count of all the people that have been raped butchered, beheaded, crucified, etc at Obama's feet. After all...that WAS Obama (and lets not forget Hillary) celebrating and supporting the fundamentalist extremist uprisings in Egypt, Libya, Syria, and everywhere else (well...everywhere except in Bahrain and Saudi. For some reason they didnt exactly get behind those movements).

Supporting fundamentalist terrorists against Mubarak, Qaddafi, and Assad. How could that POSSIBLY go wrong?
 
MMC said:
Team BO has responded. If they are condemning.....you know the drill.


U.S. condemns apparent beheading of US hostage.....

The U.S. State Department says it is "sickened" by a video that purports to show the beheading of U.S. journalist Steven Sotloff, adding that the intelligence community is working to authenticate the video. Rough Cut (no reporter narration).....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/video/u-condemns-apparent-beheading-us-181052182.html
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And your solution would be what - the 101st Airborne Division dropped into Syria?
 
Wiggen said:
I think the President of the United States has more worthy causes than worrying about a Marine who either is the biggest idiot in the Marine Corps or is a man with absolutely no sense of direction. Either way, it's not the President's responsibility to rescue him. He didn't send him there.
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I think thats a hell of a retreat from your "go to war" commentary. Well done...I dont blame you. That was some foolishness you posted there.
 
Roadvirus said:
I thought the Warthogs were permanently grounded, courtesy of this administration's military cutbacks.
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I don't think that's happened yet. I could be wrong. I haven't kept up with it.
 
VanceMack said:
I just wonder when the left is going to start laying the body count of all the people that have been raped butchered, beheaded, crucified, etc at Obama's feet. After all...that WAS Obama (and lets not forget Hillary) celebrating and supporting the fundamentalist extremist uprisings in Egypt, Libya, Syria, and everywhere else (well...everywhere except in Bahrain and Saudi. For some reason they didnt exactly get behind those movements).

Supporting fundamentalist terrorists against Mubarak, Qaddafi, and Assad. How could that POSSIBLY go wrong?
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Yes, this is all Obama's fault. :roll:

Honestly, you should be ashamed of your self.
 
VanceMack said:
I think thats a hell of a retreat from your "go to war" commentary. Well done...I dont blame you. That was some foolishness you posted there.
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Not nearly as foolish as the time wasted by the far Right in criticizing Obama because he won't make an international incident over this. I know it's just another one of the 'let's bash Obama' crap you guys like to engage in on a daily basis. It beats actually having to think about issues before you react, of course.

And it was no retreat - I simply took the sqealings of the Far Right to it's logical conclusion - you know... when in doubt, make war.
 
Top Cat said:
Yes, this is all Obama's fault. :roll:

Honestly, you should be ashamed of your self.
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As soon as you decide you actually want to comment on a thread and not just follow me around from thread to thread making personal comments, you be sure to let me know...k?
 
Top Cat said:
Yes, this is all Obama's fault. :roll:

Honestly, you should be ashamed of your self.
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Don't you know, Supreme Feline, that everything is Obama's fault! The Black Plague, the sinking of the Maine, the Great Depression - you name it and the Marxist/Terrorist/Kenyan/Traitor/Anti-Christ (take your pick) is to blame. Simplifies things a lot, doesn't it?
 
Wiggen said:
Not nearly as foolish as the time wasted by the far Right in criticizing Obama because he won't make an international incident over this. I know it's just another one of the 'let's bash Obama' crap you guys like to engage in on a daily basis. It beats actually having to think about issues before you react, of course.

And it was no retreat - I simply took the sqealings of the Far Right to it's logical conclusion - you know... when in doubt, make war.
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Thats why it is so silly. You actually think that it would take an international incident for the President of the United States to make a phone call and have a Marine returned to the US. All you are really doing is affirming just how worthless this president has become.
 
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