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No. I characterized a particular set of assertions as nonsense.

calling someone else's opinions "assertions" doesn't change what I said one iota.
 
No, that's reality.

If you cannot understand how stereotypes marginalize those left out, that's your own lack of capability and it bears not upon my logic and reason.

It might explain why your position is so irrational, but that's a problem you'll have to figure out on your own.

I don't think it bears on anyone's capability. I just think that much hand-wringing over stereotypes is an overwrought response to our society's incentivization of victimhood.
 
I don't think it bears on anyone's capability. I just think that much hand-wringing over stereotypes is an overwrought response to our society's incentivization of victimhood.

I think someone of average motivation and capability can understand the marginalization caused by stereotyping. Any inability you have in grasping the concept is your own.

That you support racial stereotypes says something about you but nothing about my argument.
 
I think someone of average motivation and capability can understand the marginalization caused by stereotyping. Any inability you have in grasping the concept is your own.

That you support racial stereotypes says something about you but nothing about my argument.

Carry on as you wish.
 
You are entitled to your view, no matter how disagreeably expressed.

See... now, only after it was pointed out to you, do you decide to see things as disagreeing.
 
Let me know when you hear from them. Do you think they all have the same opinion?

Well, they did put out a video that seems to suggest they're more united against being called a racial slur, than not.

 
Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't.

If it's a "negative stereotype", it marginalizes positive examples. If it's a "positive stereotype", it marginalizes other contributions.

Either way, the people left out are marginalized.
 
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I think someone of average motivation and capability can understand the marginalization caused by stereotyping. Any inability you have in grasping the concept is your own.

That you support racial stereotypes says something about you but nothing about my argument.

Greetings, ecofarm. :2wave:

I personally don't agree that stereotyping is always bad. It's a little off the wall, but as an example, Spock from Star Trek was a Vulcan, and they were admired as a culture because they were totally logical in everything they did. Everyone in the universe knew this, and often called upon them to handle problems because of their honesty and lack of ego. This was only a make-believe TV series, but the point was made. Being stereotyped as "different" can be advantageous at times. :mrgreen:
 
Greetings, ecofarm. :2wave:

I personally don't agree that stereotyping is always bad. It's a little off the wall, but as an example, Spock from Star Trek was a Vulcan, and they were admired as a culture because they were totally logical in everything they did. Everyone in the universe knew this, and often called upon them to handle problems because of their honesty and lack of ego. This was only a make-believe TV series, but the point was made. Being stereotyped as "different" can be advantageous at times. :mrgreen:

Every Vulcan that was not "pure logic and reason" is marginalized. But wait... there are no Vulcans like that, and that's where your fictional analogy fails.

It's not a stereotype. Vulcans actually were all like that.


Got any real life example of racial stereotyping not resulting in the marginalization of those left out? No, you don't, because that's what stereotyping does.
 
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Every Vulcan that was not "pure logic and reason" is marginalized. But wait... there are no Vulcans like that, and that's where your fictional analogy fails.

It's not a stereotype. Vulcans actually were all like that.

I know - I tried to make that distinction. It would be kind of nice if we had one or two of them around, though, to counteract the dramatists in our government who seem to operate only on emotion! Maybe we'd get something accomplished, instead of the arguing and gridlock on both sides that we put up with! :mrgreen:

Time for me to call it a day. Be well.
 
I know - I tried to make that distinction. It would be kind of nice if we had one or two of them around, though, to counteract the dramatists in our government who seem to operate only on emotion! Maybe we'd get something accomplished, instead of the arguing and gridlock on both sides that we put up with! :mrgreen:

Time for me to call it a day. Be well.

I don't blame you for giving it a shot, in the interest of exploring the subject. But the only time racial stereotypes don't hurt people is when they're actually true for everyone of the race (which is then not a stereotype but a racial trait).
 
You don't think the whole 'war paint' thing stereotypes Native Americans? It's not like their name is 'warriors' or 'braves', it's Redskins.

The name clearly stereotypes Native Americans as militant warriors, while that's not the truth about all NAs then or now.

Funny thing is, the Indians did not call it "War Paint." They painted their bodies for all kinds of things. But we only got close enough to see it when fighting them, so we called it War Paint.
 
Funny thing is, the Indians did not call it "War Paint." They painted their bodies for all kinds of things. But we only got close enough to see it when fighting them, so we called it War Paint.

The paint worn in regard to the Redskins is, obviously, intended to be war paint.

Are you claiming the Redskins do not depict NA warriors?
 
The paint worn in regard to the Redskins is, obviously, intended to be war paint.

Are you claiming the Redskins do not depict NA warriors?

I guess it could be for anything, unless the consulted an Indian tribe to make sure it was for war.
 
I guess it could be for anything, unless the consulted an Indian tribe to make sure it was for war.

I guess anything can be for anything, but we're talking about a football team with a fight song whose 'unofficial' mascot carries a tomahawk. Their previous logos included a spear. The owner used to make the coach dress up in "war paint" (his words).

It's pretty ****ing obvious the image being portrayed here.
 
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Do you have a problem reading? I said your position, that of supporting racial stereotyping, is racist.

Looking back through this entire thread, it is you who has been the most belligerent in your position. You have your point of view which you have made in the following ways:

racial stereotyping is bad for society.
That's just a fact they marginalize those not included
Because stereotyping a race is wrong, it marginalizes those left out.
Let me know when you understand racial stereotypes are bad for society.
Racial stereotypes always marginalize those left out and thereby serve oppression and the suppression of potential and contributions.
Racial stereotypes are inherently bad for society.

You have done nothing to prove these points and any discussion has belittled those who engaged you in that discussion. You have referred to yourself in the collective sense of being "enlightended" and "smart" and those who you disagree with collectively as:

ignorant, stupid, racist, deny having common sense.beyond stupid, Stop playing stupid. just stupid lack of capability

You are supportive of stereotypes in general but not one based on race. Perhaps that doesn't cause any cognitive dissonance in you, but it would in me.

And finally, you toss around the racist word like you actually know what it means. You assert that
supporting racial stereotyping, is racist.
but saying someone who does that is not calling them racist. Here is a good definition of racism from Websters: " a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race" and by extension that other races are inherently inferior. I don't believe in this as I treat everyone as individuals.

Your interaction with me has been simplistic and in my opinion, emotional or juvenile. Your question: "Do you support racial stereotypes?" is vague and as deceitful as the question: "are you still beating your wife?" They are both simple yes or no questions after all. Sorry, but they aren't.

And this is from someone who doesn't necessarily disagree with your position, if you actually went back and read my original post on this thread.
 
I vote to change their name to Foreskins. Kinda sounds the same, and like that piece of penis skin, useless as ****. :2razz: :lol:
 
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