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ecofarm said:
That marginalizes artistic contributions, if I can presume your subjective view of 'precise' and 'hard-working'. You see, in your subjective definition of 'precise' and 'hard-working' lies the fraudulent nature of your social object (a stereotype).
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Not buying it, and neither would Germans.
 
Jack Hays said:
Not buying it, and neither would Germans.
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There are plenty of Germans that do not appreciate your small-minded stereotype. You're marginalizing anyone that doesn't submit to your lingo.

What you call 'precise', others call simple. What you call 'hard-working', others call laborers.
 
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ecofarm said:
There are plenty of Germans that do not appreciate your small-minded stereotype. You're marginalizing anyone that doesn't submit to your lingo.

What you call 'precise', others call simple. What you call 'hard-working', others call laborers.
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I lived in Germany for three years. They revel in that stereotype.
 
Jack Hays said:
I lived in Germany for three years. They revel in that stereotype.
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Anyone that doesn't fit your definition of a German is left out, and your personal definition probably leaves a lot to be desired. Just because someone likes it does not mean it defines every German.

Now who's a spokesperson for others, are you speaking for stupid people?
 
ecofarm said:
Anyone that doesn't fit your definition of a German is left out, and your personal definition probably leaves a lot to be desired. Just because someone likes it does not mean it defines every German.

Now who's a spokesperson for others, are you speaking for stupid people?
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I'm just saying that your sweeping, dogmatic assertion is at odds with real human experience and the way people lead their lives.
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm just saying that your sweeping, dogmatic assertion is at odds with real human experience and the way people lead their lives.
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I'm saying the word of supremacists doesn't count for ****. These people that revel in their nationality being more precise and hard-working than others can eat a big ****.
 
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ecofarm said:
I'm saying the word of supremacists doesn't count for ****. These people that revel in their nationality being more precise and hard-working than others can eat a big ****.
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People create stereotypes because they are useful and valuable. All people do it all the time. It's a way to organize sensory inputs and data.
 
Jack Hays said:
People create stereotypes because they are useful and valuable.
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Signature material.



Now do people understand why I asked the question? I saw this coming. "Do you support stereotypes" is no longer a stupid question, is it. He does! Wanna argue with that? I've had enough.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Read and learn.

Are Stereotypes Unfairly Stereotyped? | Psychology Today

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Dec 13, 2011 - For example, men are stereotyped as being violent (relative to ... that the existence of a stereotype not only doesn't tell us anything useful about ...
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It doesn't matter if a (subjectively defined) stereotype is true even for a majority of a biased sample of a population, it still marginalizes those left out and it presumes supremacy in the case of 'positive stereotypes'.

It's counter-productive.
 
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ecofarm said:
It doesn't matter if a (subjectively defined) stereotype is true even for a majority of a biased sample of a population, it still marginalizes those left out and presumes supremacy in the case of 'positive stereotypes'.
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That would be your personal view.
 
Jack Hays said:
That would be your personal view.
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No, it's a sociological fact.

Is this where you claim sociology is an Obama fraud? It's got that word 'soci' in it so probably, huh?
 
ecofarm said:
Not, it's a sociological fact.

Is this where you claim sociology is an Obama fraud?
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Sociology is sometimes useful, sometimes a cover for pursuit of other agendas. In any case, it's unlikely that all sociologists would be as dogmatic as you. In this case, Psychology Today seems to take a different view.
 
Jack Hays said:
Sociology is sometimes useful, sometimes a cover for pursuit of other agendas.
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Like climatology, right?

In any case, it's unlikely that all sociologists would be as dogmatic as you. In this case, Psychology Today seems to take a different view.
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You don't really understand the article. Like Watts you just plaster what seems to support your narrative.

Perhaps you'd like to explain how that article supports racial stereotypes (you use it for profiling support?).
 
ecofarm said:
Like climatology, right?



You don't really understand the article. Like Watts you just plaster what seems to support your narrative.

Perhaps you'd like to explain how that article supports racial stereotypes (you use it for profiling support?).
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From my link:
Do stereotypes serve any positive function?
Stereotypes are associated with a variety of different negative outcomes, but they also serve some useful functions. Primary among these is that they serve as heuristics in various decision-making contexts, and, in so doing, free up our thinking for other things. Yes, such heuristics can get us in trouble. But, to the extent that our understanding of group differences is accurate and we realize that group differences cannot be generalized to individual members, stereotypes can help us navigate our social environment.

That was/is precisely my point.
 
Jack Hays said:
From my link:
Do stereotypes serve any positive function?
Stereotypes are associated with a variety of different negative outcomes, but they also serve some useful functions. Primary among these is that they serve as heuristics in various decision-making contexts, and, in so doing, free up our thinking for other things. Yes, such heuristics can get us in trouble. But, to the extent that our understanding of group differences is accurate and we realize that group differences cannot be generalized to individual members, stereotypes can help us navigate our social environment.

That was/is precisely my point.
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There are far superior ways to navigate ones social environment. That's like "Social navigation for Dummies". It's a way to gain bearing, but a rather pathetic one.
 
ecofarm said:
There are far superior ways to navigate ones social environment. That's like "Social navigation for Dummies". It's a way to gain bearing, but a rather pathetic one.
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Again, your personal opinion. In this case it's unfortunately mere name-calling when presented with evidence you don't like.
 
Jack Hays said:
Again, your personal opinion. In this case it's unfortunately mere name-calling when presented with evidence you don't like.
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These parries are pathetic. How, after this much explanation, can you not understand that even so-called positive stereotypes marginalize those left out.

If there is a God in this universe, It will reach down and explain to you why stereotyping a race as warriors (basically, calling them orcs) is bad for society.

We pray in Pasta's name,
Amen
 
ecofarm said:
These parries are pathetic. How, after this much explanation, can you not understand that even so-called positive stereotypes marginalize those left out.

If there is a God in this universe, It will reach down and explain to you why stereotyping a race as warriors (basically, calling them orcs) is bad for society.

We pray in Pasta's name,
Amen
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I take it you're conceding the previous point. As to your apparent return to the broader topic, you have explained your view thoroughly. I don't believe your view has merit. I don't believe the topic can be accurately addressed in such categorical terms. It's that simple.
 
ecofarm said:
I guess anything can be for anything, but we're talking about a football team with a fight song whose 'unofficial' mascot carries a tomahawk. Their previous logos included a spear. The owner used to make the coach dress up in "war paint" (his words).

It's pretty ****ing obvious the image being portrayed here.
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Yes, they are ready for battle. But, in a football game, not a real war.
 
Jack Hays said:
Too dogmatic, and not like real life. I doubt that
Germans, for example, are marginalized by being stereotyped as precise and hard-working.
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What's wrong with being precise and hard-working?

This would be a better world if everyone had those traits.

Not saying that other traits aren't also good, of course.
 
What a bunch of putz.

If you care, you are insane.

I'm a cracker whitey fool of a chump... whoopity doo..

Pansies. Funny tho..
 
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