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Civil disobedience expected in fast-food pay fight

Fearandloathing said:
who are you to pass judgement on their demands?

"Work that isn't that much"?

And the second line is illegal...you cannot fire workers for striking, not since around 1900 anyway.
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Why shouldn't I be able to fire people for striking? If you go on a strike you are blackmailing your employer to give you more money, and imho that desires punishment. I hire people to work for me, and if they want something from me the door is always open. Acting like I owe you something like my agreement is somehow obligated is trash. If you don't like what I'm willing to accept then leave.
 
Henrin said:
Really, I'm more than willing to talk to you about your salary, but once you decide to go on strike we are now enemies and I want you out of my sight. Blackmail doesn't go over all that well with me.
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No. Once you show up and do something that has a negative impact on my livelihood, you're done. One of the first things I learned as a young man entering the workforce was that my job was to make my boss money. My first employer told me and the rest of the crew that if we were driving a truck with his name on it, we were to be the most courteous drivers on the road. If we wore a shirt with his name on it, we were to be the most polite and respectful people wherever we were. As an example: I was driving through my neighborhood the other and there was a lawn maintenance crew working on a yard. Their trailer stuck out halfway into the street for no reason other than a sloppy parking job, while the guys doing the work kind of lounged around leaning on mowers and watching as traffic had veer around them and occasionally wait for on-coming traffic. Not only would I NEVER do business with this outfit, if I was their boss, I'd can the whole lot of them. These protests are NOT good for business and if someone who works for me is harming my business, they have one way to go and that's OUT!!
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Fast food workers are no longer just for teens starting their first job, there are parents, adults, grandparents, uncles. Many college grades work there too. I am willing to pay a little more extra to help these workers out. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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This is an effort to "fix" the wrong problem once again. It is what I have come to expect from self described socialists. I hope for the sake of our country we are able to defeat the efforts of the socialist types. Always working to fix the wrong problem.

Why is it that grandpappy, college grads and other adults are working at McDonalds? What action is it that they took (or neglected to take) that placed them in the position of working in such a dead end job?

And why is it that they are STILL WORKING THERE? If that is the best that they can do, then they are being appropriately paid at the minimum rate. If they can do better than that, THEY SHOULD!!

Quite frankly, until McDonalds workers can put the correct food in the correct bag and pass it out the window to the correct customer (which only happens about 1 out of three times I eat there) they are overpaid at $7.25 IMHO.
 
kamikaze483 said:
This is an effort to "fix" the wrong problem once again. It is what I have come to expect from self described socialists. I hope for the sake of our country we are able to defeat the efforts of the socialist types. Always working to fix the wrong problem.

Why is it that grandpappy, college grads and other adults are working at McDonalds? What action is it that they took (or neglected to take) that placed them in the position of working in such a dead end job?

And why is it that they are STILL WORKING THERE? If that is the best that they can do, then they are being appropriately paid at the minimum rate. If they can do better than that, THEY SHOULD!!

Quite frankly, until McDonalds workers can put the correct food in the correct bag and pass it out the window to the correct customer (which only happens about 1 out of three times I eat there) they are overpaid at $7.25 IMHO.
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Remember if you work at McDonalds its just cuz "you made bad choices, and you deserve as little pay as possible!", and if you want to raise the wage then you are a "big bad socialist!" :roll:
 
Fearandloathing said:
For?

The right of organizing and collective bargaining is a long established right, hard won by the likes of Walter Reuther at the battle of the overpass. I am afraid your days of punishing strikers is over as it's illegal.

IF anyone., we see only a threat, does commit acts of violence you have a criminal justice department.
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If they desire to organize they are more than welcome to it and I should be more than welcome to fire them for it too. If they want to bargain with me, fine, but if I say "no" to bargaining with them the answer is no. Why should I have to deal with being blackmailed and why should I be forced to interact with people?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Uhhh paying double wont change anything. They still will have the wage...
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Think of it as a 'tip'. After all, they deserve more for a low skill job, right?

That way those who agree with you can help a brother out, right?
 
I think they may be in for a surprise when they find out that people dont really need fast food.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Remember if you work at McDonalds its just cuz "you made bad choices, and you deserve as little pay as possible!", and if you want to raise the wage then you are a "big bad socialist!" :roll:
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More along the line that if you want to raise the wage, find a position that you are able to do which pays more. It requires initiative and personal responsibility. If you do not have those two things, that is your fault, not mine... and not McDonalds.

Here is a scenario: All of the people who work in fast food quit and find a better job using their thinking cap, their initiative, and showing personal responsibility. Then, McDonalds doesn't have enough workers to meet demand. In order to attract workers, they then would have to raise the wage. The market dictates wages in the same way that it dictates cost of products and services- through the law of supply and demand.

That is how you get all those people the wages they deserve and keep the price of a big mac from going to $17.50.
 
GottaGo said:
Think of it as a 'tip'. After all, they deserve more for a low skill job, right?

That way those who agree with you can help a brother out, right?
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I remember seeing that its company policy for the vast majority of fast food workers are not allowed to accept tips.
 
tres borrachos said:
Can someone tell me what an appropriate wage is for someone who flips burgers, pops a wire basket of fries in grease, or sits at the driveup window taking money or credit cards and asking "Do you want sauce with that?"
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Ii also often wonder why people REMAIN in those jobs rather than using them to develop more skills and move on or up?
 
kamikaze483 said:
More along the line that if you want to raise the wage, find a position that you are able to do which pays more. It requires initiative and personal responsibility. If you do not have those two things, that is your fault, not mine... and not McDonalds.
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McDonalds has the power to raise the wage, they can easily afford it and they dont. That is the fault of theirs. And the government has the power to raise the minimum wage as well.

Here is a scenario: All of the people who work in fast food quit and find a better job using their thinking cap, their initiative, and showing personal responsibility.
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Ohhh make it sound soooo easy. Just quit your job, and go find a better one. Its easy as that! Right!? :roll:

Then, McDonalds doesn't have enough workers to meet demand. In order to attract workers, they then would have to raise the wage. The market dictates wages in the same way that it dictates cost of products and services- through the law of supply and demand.
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Ohhh yea the "market dictates wages"... With increased sales etc history shows that it does not. More just goes to the top.


That is how you get all those people the wages they deserve and keep the price of a big mac from going to $17.50.
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Its going to go to 17.50!!?!??!?

So is all this libertarian nonsense essentially: "everyone should just quit!"
 
tres borrachos said:
Thanks for answering. I understand what you said. My challenge with it is how much of a difference would an extra $3 an hour make in their lives? That's an extra $120 a week. Now it is possible that that will make a huge difference, but I don't know. I guess maybe it depends on where you live? In Backasswater, Alabama that may go a long way. In NH, not so much.
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IMO they shouldnt be made 'comfortable' in the most basic unskilled labor jobs so that they just sit there.

Those jobs need to open up for new young people entering the job market, seniors that can only work part time, the disabled, etc. I do not believe that entry level jobs are meant to support families. That's why they're called entry level...so you get in, develop some skills and knowlege, and move on or up.
 
What these pro-15 per hour groups don't understand is that stores and restaurants will just raise their prices making their 15 dollars and hour moot..

Besides, not many "low paying jobs" actually pay minimum wage.

IMO, minimum wage should be paid and based on regional standard of living....

However these 15 dollar an hour demands are not realistic at all, where did they pull that number out of anyways their asses?

If 15 dollars an hour come into fruition they may as well kiss their jobs goodbye because these restaurants will just become automated.

These businesses aren't in business to provide jobs - they're in business to make money and if said business' aren't economically viable then they're going to close or go automated taking THEIR JOBS THAT THEY PROVIDE with them.

Of course these unskilled workers and their greed cant see that far ahead.
 
faithful_servant said:
If you're a liberal, that number would $25/hr. Of course, then there would only be 1/3 as many FF places and those that were still in business would be charging $15 for a hamburger (extra charge if you want a bun with that :D).
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I'm a liberal and your statement is wrong.

So much for your grasp of reality....the usual accusation thrown at liberals.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I remember seeing that its company policy for the vast majority of fast food workers are not allowed to accept tips.
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It's a franchisee by franchisee decision.

So you wouldn't have a problem with paying double, if it helps the franchisee to be able to pay his workers more? Do it voluntarily..... And while you're at it, pay the paperboy double the bill too.....

You do understand the concept of wage scale, I'm sure.

You raise a MW worker to $15 from (let's say) $8, you've now moved people who EARNED their raises up to $15 back DOWN to minimum wage. Do you honestly think that group won't be looking for a raise to take them back to being above MW?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
McDonalds has the power to raise the wage, they can easily afford it and they dont. That is the fault of theirs. And the government has the power to raise the minimum wage as well.
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You don't understand how business works, and my fear is that you don't care how it works.


TheDemSocialist said:
Ohhh make it sound soooo easy. Just quit your job, and go find a better one. Its easy as that! Right!? :roll:
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It is that easy. Unless you are not capable. It is about what the labor is worth. It is not worth $15.00.


TheDemSocialist said:
Ohhh yea the "market dictates wages"... With increased sales etc history shows that it does not. More just goes to the top.
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This is not fact. This is left wing propaganda.

TheDemSocialist said:
Its going to go to 17.50!!?!??!?

So is all this libertarian nonsense essentially: "everyone should just quit!"
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I wouldn't suggest anyone quitting until they have found a job to replace it.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Remember if you work at McDonalds its just cuz "you made bad choices, and you deserve as little pay as possible!", and if you want to raise the wage then you are a "big bad socialist!" :roll:
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There's nothing wrong with working at McDs. What's wrong is spending years there not advancing yourself.
 
kamikaze483 said:
This is an effort to "fix" the wrong problem once again. It is what I have come to expect from self described socialists. I hope for the sake of our country we are able to defeat the efforts of the socialist types. Always working to fix the wrong problem.

Why is it that grandpappy, college grads and other adults are working at McDonalds? What action is it that they took (or neglected to take) that placed them in the position of working in such a dead end job?

And why is it that they are STILL WORKING THERE? If that is the best that they can do, then they are being appropriately paid at the minimum rate. If they can do better than that, THEY SHOULD!!

Quite frankly, until McDonalds workers can put the correct food in the correct bag and pass it out the window to the correct customer (which only happens about 1 out of three times I eat there) they are overpaid at $7.25 IMHO.
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Oh it's worse than that. Their cash registers have pictures of the food all ready programed with the amount to charge. They don't even have to key in the numbers. And God help you if their system is down and these people have to make correct change. Ain't gonna happen. Fast food workers on the average make $7.16 to $8.95 an hour depending on region. Baggers and cashiers in grocery stores on the average make $7.00-$8.00 an hour and are often union jobs such as Krogers which means you also pay union dues. The non-union fast food worker's starting pay is actually more money per hour than the union worker at grocery chains. All of these positions are overwhelmingly held by high school/college students. This whole thing isn't about a "living wage" but more about unions collecting dues.
 
vesper said:
Oh it's worse than that. Their cash registers have pictures of the food all ready programed with the amount to charge. They don't even have to key in the numbers. And God help you if their system is down and these people have to make correct change. Ain't gonna happen. Fast food workers on the average make $7.16 to $8.95 an hour depending on region. Baggers and cashiers in grocery stores on the average make $7.00-$8.00 an hour and are often union jobs such as Krogers which means you also pay union dues. The non-union fast food worker's starting pay is actually more money per hour than the union worker at grocery chains. All of these positions are overwhelmingly held by high school/college students. This whole thing isn't about a "living wage" but more about unions collecting dues.
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All completely true. The picture below is the result of raising wages to these type of workers. Because the job of button pushing is so simple, even a machine can do it, as seen in the picture below.

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Lursa said:
Ii also often wonder why people REMAIN in those jobs rather than using them to develop more skills and move on or up?
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I do as well. I find it hard to believe that's someone with a little smarts can't somehow move up.
 
tres borrachos said:
I do as well. I find it hard to believe that's someone with a little smarts can't somehow move up.
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Or motivation or hard work or good people skills, etc. There are many ways for a person to invest themselves in work to gain from it.
 
Fearandloathing said:
It seems to be the answer to all things there now.

I wonder about the claims of a president as to the health of a nation when a simple labor dispute becomes a threat of violence.

I guess, when you have a leader who simply refuses to compromise on anything, then compromise is impossible at the street level.
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Post 7 before someone tries to make it all about Obama.
 
kamikaze483 said:
All completely true. The picture below is the result of raising wages to these type of workers. Because the job of button pushing is so simple, even a machine can do it, as seen in the picture below.

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Just please, God, do not produce some strange issue like the grocery stores with the an "unexpected item being in the baggage area" issue. ;)
 
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