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From NY to Texas, KKK recruits with candies and fliers [W:16]

Ku Klux Klan - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

The article details the three "surges" in the KKK during the 1870's, 1920's and 1960's.
Are we in the midst of a historical trend and the 4th surge?

I've never had any use for the "radical Republicans", who had no use for President Lincoln and vice-versa.
Lincoln even had to form his own National Union party in 1864 to break from them.

One can only imagine a President Lincoln running Reconstruction instead of the "radical Republicans".
The causes of the first surge sound eerily familiar to what I see today, though today's "possible surge" is no longer centralized in the South.
We constantly see threads today defending secession.

Unfortunately for Southerners in the past, the KKK has been based there as well as in Indiana,
and this post in no way indicts Southerners nor Hoosiers of any era for this.

The peak of the second surge during the 1920's movement, reaching over 4 million for an all-time high,
has its roots in opposing Roman Catholics, Jews, immigration and organized labor.
Sound familiar?

The third peak during the 1960's had its roots in opposing civil rights, once again an issue today.

The scary thing to me is that the reasons for all three surges seem to be coming together today in a "perfect storm".
One that I believe started with President Clinton who was derided as the first "Black" President back then.

And once again, in no way does this post try to lay blame to any political persuasion for the KKK,
though my posting history on this issue is not without flame.

During times like these, I reach back to my all-time favorite movie, Remember the Titans.
I almost feel like renting it again and breaking it down like football film, that's how great every scene is.
As a retired Chem/Physics teacher and Air Force brat, I feel fortunate to have been able to live a multi-cultural/non-sexist life .
 
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Deuce said:
That first amendment sure is pesky.
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That is why it was a terrible idea, as written. People shouldn't be allowed to say anything they want, that's just ridiculous.
 
Paleocon said:
That is why it was a terrible idea, as written. People shouldn't be allowed to say anything they want, that's just ridiculous.
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Exactly. People shouldn't be allowed to say homosexuals are an abomination. That's just ridiculous.
 
Paleocon said:
That is why it was a terrible idea, as written. People shouldn't be allowed to say anything they want, that's just ridiculous.
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Deuce said:
Exactly. People shouldn't be allowed to say homosexuals are an abomination. That's just ridiculous.
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As much as I dislike some things people say - be those things an abomination or not, restricting free speech isn't a good idea in any shape or form, for any group.
 
Ockham said:
As much as I dislike some things people say - be those things an abomination or not, restricting free speech isn't a good idea in any shape or form, for any group.
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No, no, it's a great idea. So long as I'm the one who decides what speech is acceptable. If other people do that, it's tyranny.
 
Deuce said:
No, no, it's a great idea. So long as I'm the one who decides what speech is acceptable. If other people do that, it's tyranny.
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I get the sarcasm ...
 
Deuce said:
Exactly. People shouldn't be allowed to say homosexuals are an abomination. That's just ridiculous.
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It's ridiculous to say their actions aren't.

Ockham said:
As much as I dislike some things people say - be those things an abomination or not, restricting free speech isn't a good idea in any shape or form, for any group.
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Would it have been a good idea for the Weimar Republic to have restricted the free speech of the Nazis?
 
I dunno. I suppose that people who wave their "white pride," flag are just as racist as these people here.......

 
Paleocon said:
Would it have been a good idea for the Weimar Republic to have restricted the free speech of the Nazis?
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Different country, different time, different circumstances.... in other words apples and oranges. Regarding the United States, it's clear that restriction of first Amendment rights shall not occur - regardless of the type of speech identified - exceptions are where such speech is unlawful and the classic "screaming fire in a crowded theater" comes to mind. No restriction shall occur. Once you single out a group regardless of who or what they are and restrict their speech, the founding of our laws, our country fail. The foundation crumbles. No thank you.
 
Dragonfly said:
From NY to Texas, KKK recruits with candies and fliers - CNN.com

Are people actually "lured" into the KKK with candy?????
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Kind of reminds me of this exchange from the movie "Office Space":

Peter Gibbons: What would you do if you had a million dollars?
Lawrence: I'll tell you what I'd do, man: two chicks at the same time, man.
Peter Gibbons: That's it? If you had a million dollars, you'd do two chicks at the same time?
Lawrence: Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I think if I were a millionaire I could hook that up, too; 'cause chicks dig dudes with money.
Peter Gibbons: Well, not all chicks.
Lawrence: Well, the type of chicks that'd double up on a dude like me do.
Peter Gibbons: Good point.

In other words, can the KKK recruit with candy? Well sure.. but only the kind of people who would join the KKK in the first place.
 
Ockham said:
Different country, different time, different circumstances.... in other words apples and oranges. Regarding the United States, it's clear that restriction of first Amendment rights shall not occur - regardless of the type of speech identified - exceptions are where such speech is unlawful and the classic "screaming fire in a crowded theater" comes to mind. No restriction shall occur. Once you single out a group regardless of who or what they are and restrict their speech, the founding of our laws, our country fail. The foundation crumbles. No thank you.
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And the answer to the question is?
 
Paleocon said:
Are you going to answer the question?
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I thought I already explained twice. Shall I try a third time or will the answer finally get through?

Re-read post #37 until you get it.
 
Ockham said:
I thought I already explained twice. Shall I try a third time or will the answer finally get through?

Re-read post #37 until you get it.
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I get it. You're unwilling to answer.
 
Ockham said:
Different country, different time, different circumstances.... in other words apples and oranges. Regarding the United States, it's clear that restriction of first Amendment rights shall not occur - regardless of the type of speech identified - exceptions are where such speech is unlawful and the classic "screaming fire in a crowded theater" comes to mind. No restriction shall occur. Once you single out a group regardless of who or what they are and restrict their speech, the founding of our laws, our country fail. The foundation crumbles. No thank you.
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backwards and inside out.

The first amendment grants govt protection to some speech, it is not a guarantee of "no restrictions". Hate speech is not protected speech, the KKK is not a protected class.
 
Deuce said:
No, no, it's a great idea. So long as I'm the one who decides what speech is acceptable. If other people do that, it's tyranny.
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Stop being so intolerant!

If you say you disagree with someone, you're trying to silence them.
 
Ockham said:
Unfortunately you don't get it.
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Does anybody else remember the late '80's t-shirt that read on the front "It's a black thing..." and on the back "You wouldn't get it!"?
 
NIMBY said:
During times like these, I reach back to my all-time favorite movie, Remember the Titans.
I almost feel like renting it again and breaking it down like football film, that's how great every scene is.
As a retired Chem/Physics teacher and Air Force brat, I feel fortunate to have been able to live a multi-cultural/non-sexist life .
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If you want to keep your memories of your favorite movie untarnished, don't read the following link. Remember The Titans Is A Lie, And This Man Still Wants You To Know It
 
IF the NBP were handing out literature no one would care...
 
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