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Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

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Gaius46 said:
It's a DOD site in case you didn't look closely enough. I'd trust they know their own weapons. And I'd also note they quoted a rate of fire that can only be achieved with an automatic weapon. And if you looked at the PPT they also have grenade launchers available.
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Obviously they don't, if they call an M-16A1 an M-16A2.

The cops don't have grenade launchers, either; not that fire high explosive rounds, anyway.
 
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apdst said:
Obviously they don't, if they call an M-16A1 an M-16A2.

The cops don't have grenade launchers, either; not that fire high explosive rounds, anyway.
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I don't know M16s but I presume the A1 is capable of select fire? In that case the mis identification is meaningless.

You continue to claim that cops don't have automatic weapons supplied by the DOD - yet the DOD clearly offers them and makes no mention that they have been converted to semi-automatic fire and has no requirement that the PD convert them that I could find. What evidence do you have to the contrary?

You may be right about the grenades. They may only have access to tear gas rounds though they might not. There wasn't much detail there.
 
Lursa said:
Is this to support some point that you've never elaborated on about using lethal force to protect property?

Then you'll need to connect a few more dots....in your example, the Taliban is using it as punishment, not prevention. Altho I guess it prevents it in the future. But it had nothing to do with the protection of anyone's property after the fact.
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The thieves won't be stealing anyone else's property, ergo, they're protecting property and showing that they, like you, value property over life.
 
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Gaius46 said:
I don't know M16s but I presume the A1 is capable of select fire? In that case the mis identification is meaningless.

You continue to claim that cops don't have automatic weapons supplied by the DOD - yet the DOD clearly offers them and makes no mention that they have been converted to semi-automatic fire and has no requirement that the PD convert them that I could find. What evidence do you have to the contrary?

You may be right about the grenades. They may only have access to tear gas rounds though they might not. There wasn't much detail there.
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It's illegal shoot Americans with automatic fire. That's why NG soldiers have a block installed to restrict them to semi only.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The thieves won't be stealing anyone else's property, ergo, they're protecting property and showing that they, like you, value property over life.
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Under Taliban rule, apparently thieves value property more than their lives, since that is obviously the penalty.

Just because you willfully choose to ignore the inconvenient (for you) point that in America, we cannot go and kill someone that took our property after the fact doesnt mean that it is not the same thing as *protecting your property from being stolen.*
 
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apdst said:
It's illegal shoot Americans with automatic fire. That's why NG soldiers have a block installed to restrict them to semi only.
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I don't mean to doubt you but unless you're willing to offer some proof - like quoting a law - I have to believe the DOD site which again offers unmodified M16s to police departments.

I did come across a couple of police centric websites where posters were not shy about the fact that their departments have fully automatic weapons, including the NYPD which has several hundred unmodified M4s.
 
Lursa said:
Under Taliban rule, apparently thieves value property more than their lives, since that is obviously the penalty.

Just because you willfully choose to ignore the inconvenient (for you) point that in America, we cannot go and kill someone that took our property after the fact doesnt mean that it is not the same thing as *protecting your property from being stolen.*
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You can't go and kill them during the fact, either, not in America. In Aftanistan, you just might.
 
Dittohead not! said:
You can't go and kill them during the fact, either, not in America. In Aftanistan, you just might.
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Are you not reading well today?

Lursa said:
Under Taliban rule, apparently thieves value property more than their lives, since that is obviously the penalty.

Just because you willfully choose to ignore the inconvenient (for you) point that in America, we cannot go and kill someone that took our property after the fact doesnt mean that it is not the same thing as *protecting your property from being stolen.*
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Lursa said:
Are you not reading well today?
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I'm reading just find. You said:

in America, we cannot go and kill someone that took our property after the fact
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which is true, of course.

I replied:

You can't go and kill them during the fact, either, not in America.
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which is also true.

Now, are you going to argue that, under the Taliban, it's OK to kill thieves after the fact, but not if they're caught in the act?
 
danarhea said:
Officer Go **** Yourself has been forced to resign, and another officer who posted on social media sites that the Ferguson protesters should all be put down like rabid dogs has been fired.

Both decisions were good decisions. Police officers do not own the community. They work FOR the community, and the community is the boss, not them. I know that tensions have been running high in Ferguson, but if you threaten to kill people, then you do not deserve to wear a badge under ANY circumstances. End of discussion....... Or is it?

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Police are government that wields the power and sovereignty of the People. They are necessary for the function of aggregate society, but when they abuse their power and betray the people they serve; they must be punished.
 
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apdst said:
Obviously they don't, if they call an M-16A1 an M-16A2.

The cops don't have grenade launchers, either; not that fire high explosive rounds, anyway.
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that's cool, that's cool. The People should have access to all the same weapons, vehicles, and tools the Police are allowed access to. Problem solved.
 
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Ikari said:
that's cool, that's cool. The People should have access to all the same weapons, vehicles, and tools the Police are allowed access to. Problem solved.
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We have to protect and serve ourselves, after all.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
I've been preserving myself for a long time now.
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I used to use Jack Daniels and Jim Beam, but now all's I can afford is Old Crow.

And now, I mostly .......

 
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Dittohead not! said:
I've been preserving myself for a long time now.
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At 64 years of age, people ask me why I look so young. My reply is that I have been well pickled and preserved. LOL.
 
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Gaius46 said:
I don't mean to doubt you but unless you're willing to offer some proof - like quoting a law - I have to believe the DOD site which again offers unmodified M16s to police departments.

I did come across a couple of police centric websites where posters were not shy about the fact that their departments have fully automatic weapons, including the NYPD which has several hundred unmodified M4s.
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No civilian can possess an automatic weapon, without owning a class III firearms license.
 
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Ikari said:
that's cool, that's cool. The People should have access to all the same weapons, vehicles, and tools the Police are allowed access to. Problem solved.
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You are. Anything that's legal for the cops to have is legal for you to have.
 
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apdst said:
No civilian can possess an automatic weapon, without owning a class III firearms license.
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It's my understanding that a class III is needed by the person affecting the weapons transfer - i.e. the dealer. As an individual you don't require one. You do require a background check, have to make an application to the ATF and the local PD pay some taxes and comply with state law.

And in any case we're talking a police agency not private ownership so those rules don't necessarily apply at all.
 
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Gaius46 said:
It's my understanding that a class III is needed by the person affecting the weapons transfer - i.e. the dealer. As an individual you don't require one. You do require a background check, have to make an application to the ATF and the local PD pay some taxes and comply with state law.

And in any case we're talking a police agency not private ownership so those rules don't necessarily apply at all.
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And that would be a negative, ghostrider. To possess an automatice weapon, you have to own a class III firearms license. That includes cops. Cops aren't members of the military and soldiers are the ONLY folks who exempt from that law and then, only partially, because they still can't own an auto w/o a class III.
 
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danarhea said:
At 64 years of age, people ask me why I look so young. My reply is that I have been well pickled and preserved. LOL.
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I don't drink. My method of preservation is smoking. I've been smoked from the inside out.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Do you the entire concept of lawyers as a profession?
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I don't understand the question. But, to clarify my position: The attorneys are the problem in that many tend to not give good advice to their clients, and instead of tempering their clients fever to sue, they see the potential for a huge settlement - of which the attorney gets no less than on third. Most lawsuits are settled out of court, by the attorneys, in a way that benefits them in many cases more than their clients. And, in that way, the attorneys are the problem.
 
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