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Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

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Yep, any displays of humanity while wearing a badge makes you a worthless waste of oxygen. Maybe if we're lucky, they'll do the honorable thing, right? When was the last time someone expressed sadness over a cop losing his/her life or acknowledging a job well done? Actually, getting away from law enforcement is probably the best thing to happen to them.
I swear they should all just walk off the job since almost nobody gives a **** about what happens to them anyway.



Anyone who can't do any job the way that it should be done for whatever reason needs to move on.

Whether the job is picking up garbage or policing the community.
 
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Actually, he had disciplinary action taken against him 3 times prior to this.

I saw that referenced in the articles but saw no detail. What were the disciplinary actions for?
 
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Anyone who can't do any job the way that it should be done for whatever reason needs to move on.

Whether the job is picking up garbage or policing the community.

How do you suggest we go about ridding police of their human emotions. While you're working on that, keep in mind that when you get rid of the bad emotions, you also get rid of the good emotions.
 
Re: Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents

How do you suggest we go about ridding police of their human emotions.
While you're working on that, keep in mind that when you get rid of the bad emotions, you also get rid of the good emotions.



Anyone who lets their emotions dictate their actions and who can't obey the law doesn't belong on any police force.

Pretty frickin' simple and obvious.
 
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Anyone who lets their emotions dictate their actions and who can't obey the law doesn't belong on any police force.

Pretty frickin' simple and obvious.

To an extent, you're right. However, you're advocating that cops should be emotionless machines and that just ain't gonna happen. Actions, "in the heat of the moment", will occur and there's no way around it. You want too much sugar for a dime.
 
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an extent, you're right. However, you're advocating that cops should be emotionless machines and that just ain't gonna happen. Actions, "in the heat of the moment", will occur and there's no way around it. You want too much sugar for a dime
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I hear what you're saying and I understand your point, but everyone is responsible for whatever they may do or not do.

No one can use emotions as an excuse for poor performance. It doesn't work on the job or in court.
 
Yes, but you can't stop it with lethal force like in Texas unles your life is imediatly in jeopardy. That's what we need a bill to fix. It should be perfectly legal to shoot anyone imediatly engaged in grand theft, burglary, arson, etc, even if you yourself are perfectly safe.
Doesn't that put the value of property over the value of human life?
 
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I hear what you're saying and I understand your point, but everyone is responsible for whatever they may do or not do.

No one can use emotions as an excuse for poor performance. It doesn't work on the job or in court.

That's not true. The, "heat of the moment", "in the heat of passion", defense is used quite often in court.

The cop that was forced to resign because he--gasp--said a dirty word reacted to a highly stressful situation. i.e. in the heat of the moment.

It's easy to arm-chair quarterback these things and I suggest the people who are most offended by it should join their local police force and show us how it's done.
 
Doesn't that put the value of property over the value of human life?

What about the quality of life? A person's quality of life will be degraded when someone trashed out their home, or harms their livelihood. Isn't that worth protecting? A person doesn't have a right to pillage, but a person does have a right to protect their property.
 
What about the quality of life? A person's quality of life will be degraded when someone trashed out their home, or harms their livelihood. Isn't that worth protecting? A person doesn't have a right to pillage, but a person does have a right to protect their property.

The issue is not preventing theft, but of shooting people involved in property crimes. While I'm sure the Taliban would have no problem with it, I'd think most citizens of the great democracies would object.
 
The issue is not preventing theft, but of shooting people involved in property crimes. While I'm sure the Taliban would have no problem with it, I'd think most citizens of the great democracies would object.

Ok, at what point does someone have to steal YOUR property, before you feel like you need to defend your property with violence? Where do you draw the line?
 
Doesn't that put the value of property over the value of human life?

There is no danger to anyone that's not committing a crime, so it's one of those things where, if you dont want to get shot, dont steal someone else's property. So that person decides the value of their own life. They make a choice to take that risk. If they value their life more than property, they wont do it.
 
Ok, at what point does someone have to steal YOUR property, before you feel like you need to defend your property with violence? Where do you draw the line?

When they threaten me and mine. I'm fine with locking the scummy thieves up.
 
There is no danger to anyone that's not committing a crime, so it's one of those things where, if you dont want to get shot, dont steal someone else's property. So that person decides the value of their own life. They make a choice to take that risk. If they value their life more than property, they wont do it.

Does that apply to white collar thieves as well?
 
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I disagree.

LE misconduct/violance is investigated and when found guilty are held accountable.

They are rarely found guilty and their accountability generally consists of being suspended with pay for a short period of time. If that.
 
Does that apply to white collar thieves as well?

Like stealing pencils? Otherwise, do we normally observe those crimes being committed?

Are you suggesting the death penalty for them after trial? Or for all that steal property?

The point is to stop someone from harming you (by taking your property)...just like it is for self-defense.
 
Like stealing pencils? Otherwise, do we normally observe those crimes being committed?

Are you suggesting the death penalty for them after trial? Or for all that steal property?

The point is to stop someone from harming you (by taking your property)...just like it is for self-defense.

Stealing pencils?

C'mon, you know that white collar thieves steal a lot more than the ones looting stores and burglarizing houses. I'm not the one suggesting the death penalty for theft, you know. That was your position.
 
Stealing pencils?

C'mon, you know that white collar thieves steal a lot more than the ones looting stores and burglarizing houses. I'm not the one suggesting the death penalty for theft, you know. That was your position.

Yes, but how many are caught in the act?

A homeowner cant go to a burglar's house and shoot him and take his property back.

It's to prevent the harm from occurring.
 
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Just because you've deemed these people wastes of life it does not give the police the authority to be abusive, to point weapons at unarmed people etc. if the cops can't control their anger they shouldn't have access to weapons. I know if I pointed my handgun at an unarmed person and threatened to kill them it would rightfully be taken away from me forever and I'd be locked up. Why the double standard for cops?

The same reason you must be this high to ride this ride. You are just some random dude on the internet, they are trained officers with a job. In any event, it's not a double standard, it's just a standard.
 
Yes, but how many are caught in the act?

A homeowner cant go to a burglar's house and shoot him and take his property back.

It's to prevent the harm from occurring.

So, you'd shoot them if you caught them in the act?

If they're caught red handed, it should be easy to get a conviction and get the property back. Why would anyone have to shoot them?

Now, shoot a few Bernie Madoffs, and it just could be a deterrent, but then, it still places property above the value of human life.
 
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They are rarely found guilty and their accountability generally consists of being suspended with pay for a short period of time. If that.

Strip all city and government employees of sovereign immunity and I bet you they will start to behave in a hurry.
 
So, you'd shoot them if you caught them in the act?

If they're caught red handed, it should be easy to get a conviction and get the property back. Why would anyone have to shoot them?

Now, shoot a few Bernie Madoffs, and it just could be a deterrent, but then, it still places property above the value of human life.

How do you 'catch' them? They are gone by the time cops get there. In most states you cant physically restrain anyone either. (And they're just going to let you? Listen to you?)

You dont know much about charges and trial dates do you? You may wait months for your property or never get it back, even if the police get them on your property. Otherwise? Good luck seeing it again, period.
 
Yes, but how many are caught in the act?

A homeowner cant go to a burglar's house and shoot him and take his property back.

It's to prevent the harm from occurring.

The (white-collar) banksters were caught in the act, how many have gone to jail?
 
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Do you have a link to any information about the suit?

Google search, total time 5 seconds;
ferguson missouri lawsuit

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=ferguson missouri lawsuit

Conservatives will like this link, it's fox, fair and balanced, :roll:

Ferguson protestors file $40M lawsuit against police | FOX2now.com

FERGUSON, MO (KTVI)– Five people are named as plaintiffs in a federal lawsuit filed alleging police violated their constitutional rights during protests in Ferguson.
 
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