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Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

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Just as there are those who want to crucify them for every "misstep".

Do you think they shouldn't be held accountable in some way?
 
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What does the context of my post tell you?

Since I don't know you, how can I know what you are thinking when posting, hence the question.
 
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Maybe it's the uniform that leads people to believe cops are no longer to be regarded as human and should be discarded with no more concern than one would have over a defective dishwasher.

Maybe it's because cops tend to act emotionless and mechanistic when called to a situation. :shrug:
 
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None of that is an excuse for violating the law that they are charged to uphold. If someone wants to be a cop, they need to be of sterner stuff. They need to be held to the highest of standards.



Which is the exact wrong attitude that police should have.

I don't disagree. I'm just wondering how realistic it is to prevent that type of person from getting into a job that basically sings like a siren to that personality type. For that matter, is it even possible to realistically carry out the duties of law enforcement without putting on an armor of authority?
 
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From the article, it sounds like the resigning officer was an ass, possibly even a bit too happy with his power as a police officer.
Tense situations usually bring out the worst and/or best in a person. Pointing a rifle at a protester is questionable at best, but I'd say at least he didn't fire it...
Resignation seems a somewhat reasonable option there.


The second guy appears to have lost it on social media. I'm not entirely sure it warranted firing for that, but I suspect he was really fired because all the officers were likely told not to talk about it even on social media, and doing so anyways is what ACTUALLY got him fired.

Because seriously, you don't want your officers, probably tense and feeling persecuted, to be letting lose on a social media page, or anywhere on the internet, for that matter. :lol:
 
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They were treating the people they are supposed to serve and protect as worthless wastes of oxygen. That's unacceptable in people who have vested in them the power to destroy lives.
The people they are supposed to serve and protect are not the criminals.

If you riot you should be put down like rabid dogs.
 
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The militarization of the police refers to arming them with weapons and other gear specifically created to combat armed enemies of the state as opposed to citizens. So that right there should help to answer your question.

What weapons and gear? Be specific.
 
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There is no room for anger in protests. Protesters who cannot keep their anger in check should not participate. There is no room where their anger can get people killed, destroy private property and ruin a private business.

Yes, we have a right to peacefull protest. Yet, seems not to long ago Bundy supporters were armed and did point weapons as LE. How about the people in Ferguson who broke into stores to loot. Should they not be held accountable?

People should be held accountable for their actions no matter what they are doing on or off work.

Of course they should be held accountable. Of course looters should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Angry protesters are not the same as angry police. Police once again have a legal monopoly on violence and the power of the state behind them. You cannot equate an angry citizen with an angry cop.
 
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The people they are supposed to serve and protect are not the criminals.

If you riot you should be put down like rabid dogs.

It seems no one was rioting in the case of these two.

And since when does rioting impose a death sentence without the benefit of a trial. Last I checked cops are not judge, jury and executioner.
 
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What weapons and gear? Be specific.

What do you think people are talking about when they refer to the "militarization" of the police?
 
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Or.... he had a human reaction to an azzhole.... But again, cops cant be human.. They should be cyborgs with absolutely no emotion.

Oh, if only they were. Too often they come across as really unhappy, angry people. Who have guns.
 
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Saw on the internet news somewhere that some people have filed a $40 million lawsuit against officers who were in Ferguson trying to control the crowds, stems from officers ordering a mother and child in a Mc D's restaurant onto the floor while they were purchasing ice cream, they were cuffed and hauled away for asking why they were told to leave and why they were being ordered around, since they weren't the ones causing the so called trouble.

Don't know that they have a case. Not enough information. Maybe they were asked to leave by the officers, because there was a situation that put them in danger, and refused to do so? If there's a legitimate reason for officers to give a lawful order for people to leave an area due to imminent danger or if they are interfering with a police investigation, the people have to do so. To not do so, is a misdemeanor in most states that I know of. The cops have the right to put you under arrest for not complying. However, the fine line there is that it has to be a lawful order based on imminent danger or interference with a police investigation. Sounds to me that this may be what happened here - based on your statement.

People are too quick to blame the cops in situations like this. I heard about the suit, but not what it was about. Just that some of the people in Ferguson were suing the police.
 
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What do you think people are talking about when they refer to the "militarization" of the police?

I think the people whining about the, "militarization", of the police don't have the first damn clue what they are talking about. See how you dodged my question?
 
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Why is it ignorant? If anything the cop should be treated more harshly because he's an agent of the state who abused his authority.

What about the cop's civil rights? They forfeit those when they join the police department?
 
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Anything beyond handguns and perhaps shotguns goes only to SWAT teams and SWAT teams are restricted to dealing only with truly highly dangerous situations - not crowd control or serving warrants for drug possession.

That's pretty much the way it is. You're aware of that, right?
 
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I'm just agreeing with all of you. Really, when we're talking about cops, is there any such thing as being too extreme? Certainly we shouldn't show any kind of compassion or understanding. Just trying to to get on board with the popular thought. Granted, I know a lot of cops and it'll take some time to start regarding them all as scum but I'll try.

You are the only person expressing these beliefs. They are yours, and yours alone.
 
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:lamo :lamo :lamo

I guess you didn't see any pictures from Ferguson. This is too rich! :lamo :lamo

How about you educate me on the military weapons the Ferguson PD was equipped with?
 
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We can start by only giving them the same weapons everyone else has access to. You know, the way it was intended.

Well hell, they already have weapons that everyone else has...problem solved! Next?
 
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Do you think they shouldn't be held accountable in some way?

Sincerely depends on what you want to hold them accountable for. Using swear words? No. Tearing up over the memory of an especially tragic crime scene they worked. No. Talking to each other in non PC approved ways? No.

Now let me ask you, is there anything that could happen to these cops that you feel would be too harsh? I kept pushing the envelope of what should happen to them, right up to tossing them and their family on the street and encouraging suicide kinda hoping someone would disagree with me but nobody did. It was eye opening.
 
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Sincerely depends on what you want to hold them accountable for. Using swear words? No. Tearing up over the memory of an especially tragic crime scene they worked. No. Talking to each other in non PC approved ways? No.

Now let me ask you, is there anything that could happen to these cops that you feel would be too harsh? I kept pushing the envelope of what should happen to them, right up to tossing them and their family on the street and encouraging suicide kinda hoping someone would disagree with me but nobody did. It was eye opening.

They didn't disagree because that's too ridiculous to even address X. Come on for crying out loud. If you want to be taken seriously here (and believe me I know this) you've got to be a little more grounded in your reactions to this kind of thing.

Anyway, back on topic. Would you agree that a police officer must be held to a higher standard when it comes to how he allows his feelings to effect how he performs his job? Not unlike a surgeon or a pilot. Peoples lives are on the line.
 
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They didn't disagree because that's too ridiculous to even address X. Come on for crying out loud. If you want to be taken seriously here (and believe me I know this) you've got to be a little more grounded in your reactions to this kind of thing.

Anyway, back on topic. Would you agree that a police officer must be held to a higher standard when it comes to how he allows his feelings to effect how he performs his job? Not unlike a surgeon or a pilot. Peoples lives are on the line.

Comparison fail: doctors and airline pilots aren't being shot at, nor attacked with rocks and homemade fire-bombs. If they did, you would probably see the same type of reaction.

X Factor's point, is that cops are humans, with emotions, not machines. I would like to see YOU in the same situation and see how you react. BTW, have you ever been a cop?
 
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They didn't disagree because that's too ridiculous to even address X. Come on for crying out loud. If you want to be taken seriously here (and believe me I know this) you've got to be a little more grounded in your reactions to this kind of thing.

From my vast experience, if someone disagrees with something I've said, they're usually not shy about saying so. What was ridiculous exactly? I was told that nobody should care at all what happened to those two cops. That means nothing that happns to them should concern us no matter what. If their houses got firebombed tonight, according to Wiggen (at least), we should regard that with no interest or concern at all. How about Henrin saying that it would be better to watch a cop die than try to help. If you think my examples are ridiculous, like I have zero reason to believe people think that way, open your eyes.

Anyway, back on topic. Would you agree that a police officer must be held to a higher standard when it comes to how he allows his feelings to effect how he performs his job? Not unlike a surgeon or a pilot. Peoples lives are on the line.

I don't believe they should be held to impossible standards or expected to be super human. It would be nice if people wanted to equip them to deal with the stress of the job for the sake of the cop but I haven't seen anyone be interested in their mental health, just concern over how they can "serve" us.
 
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Comparison fail: doctors and airline pilots aren't being shot at, nor attacked with rocks and homemade fire-bombs. If they did, you would probably see the same type of reaction.

X Factor's point, is that cops are humans, with emotions, not machines. I would like to see YOU in the same situation and see how you react. BTW, have you ever been a cop?

I sincerely wonder if all these people arguing against making any allowances for their humanity would like it better if the human element was completely removed.

Maybe they would. /shrug
 
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I sincerely wonder if all these people arguing against making any allowances for their humanity would like it better if the human element was completely removed.

Maybe they would. /shrug

None of them get it.
 
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Comparison fail: doctors and airline pilots aren't being shot at, nor attacked with rocks and homemade fire-bombs. If they did, you would probably see the same type of reaction.

X Factor's point, is that cops are humans, with emotions, not machines. I would like to see YOU in the same situation and see how you react. BTW, have you ever been a cop?

The policeman was asked his name. Not normally a blind rage-inducing question.
 
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