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Police officer resigns, another is fired after Ferguson incidents[W:76]

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Why would anyone concentrate on the vast minority of airplanes that crash? I've watched hundreds upon hundreds of airplanes land without incident. :2razz:

Are you defending this cops? I certainly wasn't!
 
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Sorry, you're right. I know what you meant.
no problem

Yes I do. Here's the thing. I've interacted with a lot of cops. They say things to each other that would be pretty offensive to some. I just disagree with criminalizing that or tossing them on the junk heap for having human emotion. I've seen more than one cop choke up a little upon describing some particularly bad crime scene (usually involving children). According to many here, that display of emotion/humanity means they're not worthy of a badge. I just think that's bull****.

I think people who write off ALL cops as any single thing are probably, in reality few and far between, and I don't think anyone expects them to be emotionless. It's more a matter of what you choose to share or show, your actions. They really need to practice exemplary self control when it comes to their actions. That doesn't mean they aren't free to think and feel whatever they want.
 
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Are you defending this cops? I certainly wasn't!

That's why I used the emoticon.
 
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no problem



I think people who write off ALL cops as any single thing are probably, in reality few and far between, and I don't think anyone expects them to be emotionless. It's more a matter of what you choose to share or show, your actions. They really need to practice exemplary self control when it comes to their actions. That doesn't mean they aren't free to think and feel whatever they want.

Right, they should just bury any feelings they have and never actually display humanity or even speak emotionally at any time ever and those who do should be left with nothing.

Sounds healthy to me. Seriously, don't know why any cops stay on the job. It's not like they get paid tons to be universally unappreciated.
 
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That might be difficult to achieve since most people after finishing college have no desire to become police officers.

I know of at least two towns or cities where the minimum requirements to apply for the position of police officers are no felony convictions and an almost clean police record (having nothing other than parking tickets), being 21 years of age, and only having a high school education, they will train people. That's setting the bar pretty low for having to deal with a population that's pretty diverse and dealing with the public on a general basis, some of which are more qualified to be a peace officer than the police officer him/her self.

This makes me think their training in insufficient and/or they get. It's a tremendously difficult job when the expectation is that you use something other than brute strength only.

Some cities and counties have a pattern of abuses, one of which is Ferguson and the police department itself, the other is St Louis county.
and this makes me think they get off the hook to easy when they abuse the power they've been given.
 
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That's why I used the emoticon.
Sorry I missed it, I was still in shock over apdst's statement.
 
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This makes me think their training in insufficient and/or they get. It's a tremendously difficult job when the expectation is that you use something other than brute strength only.


and this makes me think they get off the hook to easy when they abuse the power they've been given.

The one officer, (I'm not sure which) has been disciplined multiple times as I read in a news report, and yet, kept repeating the same mistakes.

Do you have a job? Have you ever held a job? I have. How many times is the boss to allow us to mess up before they finally say, well, we gotta let you go?
 
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We can start by only giving them the same weapons everyone else has access to. You know, the way it was intended.

Let there be all out warfare...

But you have a point.

The right in the US demands the right to keep and bear arms, that its a universal right, there shouldn't even be background checks, that this is to honor the spirit of the secnd amendment and standing militias etc., but at the fist sign of a problem, in this case resulting in a dead unarmed teen, they also demand the citizenry be gased, have all weapons taken away and their right to assembly demolished.

If every American can have all manner of guns, then why do not the protesters also have assault rifles, tear gas, mace, body armor, tanks and so forth?
 
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Right, they should just bury any feelings they have and never actually display humanity or emotion at any time ever and those who do should be left with nothing.

Sounds healthy to me.

That's not what I said. There are certain jobs where displaying or acting out your emotions interferes with your effectiveness and keeps you from fulfilling the role you obligated yourself to fulfill by signing up for the job. Cops are bound to support or enforce the law in narrowly defined way and our law is supposed to be impartial and objective. Their first obligation is to do that and in doing so preserve the integrity of our laws, not to become the law themselves. That is not their job
 
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That's not what I said. There are certain jobs where displaying or acting out your emotions interferes with your effectiveness and keeps you from fulfilling the role you obligated yourself to fulfill by signing up for the job. Cops are bound to support or enforce the law in narrowly defined way and our law is supposed to be impartial and objective. Their first obligation is to do that and in doing so preserve the integrity of our laws, not to become the law themselves. That is not their job

I get what you're saying. Any display of emotion makes someone unsuited to the job. Maybe it's time to start thinking of law enforcement robots, y'know, take that deeply flawed human element out of it.
 
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I assure you that the cop that accidentally killed his police dog will feel that way--though he got pounded by righties for reasons I still can't figure.

I think the public is tired of these guys getting full pensions and compounded COLA to be paid by the very people he terrorized.

Lord knows how many times I've had to hear I don't deserve my pension and I'm in good standing with the law . :confused:

Did you have the same sympathy for the man that left his child in the car that died?
 
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Unpopular Police Officer Thinking About Committing Racially Motivated Offense For A Little Support

INDIANAPOLIS—Tired of being overlooked by everyone in his precinct, unpopular Indianapolis Police Department officer Kyle Norris told reporters Wednesday he was considering committing a racially motivated offense to generate a little support. “To be honest, I’m not the most well-known or looked-up-to guy around here, but I’m thinking that if I get caught up in a controversy after shooting a minority resident under questionable circumstances, things would really change for me,” said Norris, who added that having his coworkers immediately rally around him after the incident, watching consecutive nights of public demonstrations defending his actions, and finally receiving praise directly from the chief of police would be a nice change of pace from his day-to-day life as an ignored and unappreciated member of the force.

Did you post this seriously?
 
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The one officer, (I'm not sure which) has been disciplined multiple times as I read in a news report, and yet, kept repeating the same mistakes.

Do you have a job? Have you ever held a job? I have. How many times is the boss to allow us to mess up before they finally say, well, we gotta let you go?

I mentioned in a post to someone else that we need to hold cops to higher standards of behavior because they represent the law and our laws are suppose to be objective or unbiased. If police officers aren't getting the training needed to equip them with this ability then we need to re-evaluate the kind of training they get. Why do we teach them how to shoot people but not how to self-manage and deal, without resorting to violence themselves, the complex situations they are forced to deal with. Cops hold the power of life and death in their hands and that imposes an enormous responsibility on them to wield that power with great discretion. There seems to me that some people want to excuse them of every misstep. As if simply by signing up to be a cop you are suddenly immune too normal human weaknesses. Some seem to want to have us recognize that they are fallible humans but only if when we do so it's to forgive them for something but never to hold them accountable.
 
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I get what you're saying. Any display of emotion makes someone unsuited to the job. Maybe it's time to start thinking of law enforcement robots, y'know, take that deeply flawed human element out of it.

X. You're doing it again. I know you have a greater capacity to understand a different point of view than your own than this.
 
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I don't think the department had a choice in either of these cases.

An officer that points a rifle at unarmed people in a tense situation is indicative of an officer that can't handle pressure very well and if something should happen in the future, like a killing, the department would be on the hook because they had prior knowledge of his instability.

The same is true for the commenter. What this man posted on Twitter or wherever it was, shows his attitude towards the people he is supposed to be protecting. Again the department had no choice. Who knows when he will snap and act on his comments.
 
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I mentioned in a post to someone else that we need to hold cops to higher standards of behavior because they represent the law and our laws are suppose to be objective or unbiased. If police officers aren't getting the training needed to equip them with this ability then we need to re-evaluate the kind of training they get. Why do we teach them how to shoot people but not how to self-manage and deal, without resorting to violence themselves, the complex situations they are forced to deal with. Cops hold the power of life and death in their hands and that imposes an enormous responsibility on them to wield that power with great discretion. There seems to me that some people want to excuse them of every misstep. As if simply by signing up to be a cop you are suddenly immune too normal human weaknesses. Some seem to want to have us recognize that they are fallible humans but only if when we do so it's to forgive them for something but never to hold them accountable.

Just as there are those who want to crucify them for every "misstep".
 
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I mentioned in a post to someone else that we need to hold cops to higher standards of behavior because they represent the law and our laws are suppose to be objective or unbiased. If police officers aren't getting the training needed to equip them with this ability then we need to re-evaluate the kind of training they get. Why do we teach them how to shoot people but not how to self-manage and deal, without resorting to violence themselves, the complex situations they are forced to deal with. Cops hold the power of life and death in their hands and that imposes an enormous responsibility on them to wield that power with great discretion. There seems to me that some people want to excuse them of every misstep. As if simply by signing up to be a cop you are suddenly immune too normal human weaknesses. Some seem to want to have us recognize that they are fallible humans but only if when we do so it's to forgive them for something but never to hold them accountable.
I don't have the answer to those questions, but can tell you this from past experiences.

1. military service trained people years ago on how to accept people for what they are, and to accept diversity.

2. when employed with the Navy as a civilian, pre employment training was a requirement on how to accept people for who they were and what they did. Dealing with ethnicity and other aspects of acceptance. How to handle harassment in the working environment, how to report it, etc..

Don't know if either still have classes on any of this, but I believe civilians, or cops employed by city, state and county governments could use some pages out of the federal guidelines book.

Some of the most important lessons to be learned from these sensitivity classes is how to deal with peoples emotions, and to be a good listener and to try to help. Not to involve yourself into squabbles, to control your emotions, most exercising self control, not to over react to certain situations.

It takes time and money to train people, some communities seem quick to hand out authority without any schooling or training to back it up.
 
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The best tools to lower crime in society are wealth and culture. Police are not even on the radar. In reality, and outside of statist propaganda, force is a pretty ****ty tool to lower crime. It's also just freaking bizarre to say it keeps peace.

Yes, Bernie Madoff, Charlie Sheen, and Aaron Hernandez are pillars of law abiding society.
 
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Yes, Bernie Madoff, Charlie Sheen, and Aaron Hernandez are pillars of law abiding society.

Notice how I didn't say everyone is a great guy that never does anything wrong. What I said, is that police are not an effective tool to lower crime rates. I even went further to say that force by it's very nature is very ineffective at getting anything substantial to change in a society. The best way to change behavior in society is make your society wealthy as it takes away the need for criminal behavior and gives people more time to concern themselves with other issues like the environment. The second best tool is culture as it puts in place acceptable standards of behavior for people to be guided by. To the most part force is an incredible waste of human effort.
 
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I don't have the answer to those questions, but can tell you this from past experiences.

1. military service trained people years ago on how to accept people for what they are, and to accept diversity.

2. when employed with the Navy as a civilian, pre employment training was a requirement on how to accept people for who they were and what they did. Dealing with ethnicity and other aspects of acceptance. How to handle harassment in the working environment, how to report it, etc..

Don't know if either still have classes on any of this, but I believe civilians, or cops employed by city, state and county governments could use some pages out of the federal guidelines book.

Some of the most important lessons to be learned from these sensitivity classes is how to deal with peoples emotions, and to be a good listener and to try to help. Not to involve yourself into squabbles, to control your emotions, most exercising self control, not to over react to certain situations.

It takes time and money to train people, some communities seem quick to hand out authority without any schooling or training to back it up.

The Navy still does, I was quite impressed with how much my nephew's attitude changed after he spent 5 years in. His time in the Navy has really given him a much better understanding of how to work with and accept others who don't look like him. As for cops, they should have to take sabbaticals every 10 years or so, just so they can re-connect with the real world.
 
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Notice how I didn't say everyone is a great guy that never does anything wrong. What I said, is that police are not an effective tool to lower crime rates. I even went further to say that force by it's very nature is very ineffective at getting anything substantial to change in a society. The best way to change behavior in society is make your society wealthy as it takes away the need for criminal behavior and gives people more time to concern themselves with other issues like the environment. The second best tool is culture as it puts in place acceptable standards of behavior for people to be guided by. To the most part force is an incredible waste of human effort.

You've mentioned it several times over various threads that in your opinion police don't reduce or have any effect on reducing crime and I'd just like to know the basis of that analysis. I'm guessing you don't have any statistical data to back you up since I'm not aware of any successful society that currently doesn't have law enforcement of some kind. Or are you simply stating the obvious - if there's no one to enforce laws against crime, there can't actually be any crime.
 
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Ironically, they were protesting police action from police officers they consider worthless wastes of oxygen. :lol:

Which accomplishes nothing but disruption and destruction. It's nothing but being the squeaky wheel and calling attention to themselves. Absolutely worthless and destructive. They could use their energies for constructive solutions to the problem they say exists. There are concrete solutions written right into the system. But, these wastes of oxygen are too damn lazy and selfish to do that. They rather be the spectacle and disrupt.
 
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That's what I've been saying. If those "people" still feel their lives are worth living after all this, that community has failed.

The community failed when it hired those sorry excuses as cops.
 
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The community failed when it hired those sorry excuses as cops.

It's difficult to predict or even guess how a person might turn out to be, before and after a hiring takes place.

The one cop, warned three times previously? IDK? Was that like the three strikes and you're out game that departments utilize in weeding out the bad? Who knows, but the warning signs were there sure enough.

I like beefheart's post, sabbatical.
 
Officer Go **** Yourself has been forced to resign, and another officer who posted on social media sites that the Ferguson protesters should all be put down like rabid dogs has been fired.

Both decisions were good decisions. Police officers do not own the community. They work FOR the community, and the community is the boss, not them. I know that tensions have been running high in Ferguson, but if you threaten to kill people, then you do not deserve to wear a badge under ANY circumstances. End of discussion....... Or is it?

Article is here.
Not really the point of the thread, but as a general point anybody who posts about their jobs on social media at all is an idiot.
 
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