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WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

poweRob said:
wtf does ISIS have to do with the Ukraine and Putin?
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Because of Obama's inaction and indecision, Putin has been emboldened to do whatever he pleases.
 
JC_CT said:
What would any US President do? Go to war with Russia?
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A good president would have already convinced Putin that he isn't a *****. A good president would have Putin saying, "This ****er's just crazy enough to do it...I'm going to back down".
 
apdst said:
A good president would have already convinced Putin that he isn't a *****. A good president would have Putin saying, "This ****er's just crazy enough to do it...I'm going to back down".
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Sounds like game theory 101...or not.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Pfff. And what are we going to do? :roll:

Obama couldn't intimidate a six year old girl, let alone a regional superpower. If I were Putin, I'd just laugh and keep right on doing what I was doing.
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what he knows that BO does not is that Europe has a line it wont have crossed as they've seen this movie before.
And he'll stop just short of it. At least for a while.

Not even Vlad wants WWIII or whatever # we're up to now.
 
JC_CT said:
I don't even understand how this is a left or right issue. War with Russia needs to be avoided, period. Let them dig up their own backyard. They aren't anywhere close to ours.
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And they don't need to get any closer.
 
BringIt said:
1st rule in war time diplomacy... You don't go around saying stuff like: "It's a fight we can't win." or "he should not be using red line rhetoric with Russia."

Yes, I know, BHO has sent all the wrong signals for years. And yes, I know that he has NO credibility at this point, but he will have to start acting like the leader of the free world at some point. Even if it flies in the face of his political rhetoric and progressive agenda.



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But he isn't the leader of the free world.
 
apdst said:
Because of Obama's inaction and indecision, Putin has been emboldened to do whatever he pleases.
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You are just desperate now to make a connection where there isn't one. Just admit you screwed up and save some face.
 
All I gotta say is it sure is a good thing we have been down sizing our military!
 
BringIt said:
No. I'm talking about the President that won the Cold War without firing a shot.
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He didn't do squat to end the cold war. He was just president when it happened and took the credit. You really need to read your history instead of revising it.

BringIt said:
The one that had to clean up the mess left behind by his Democrat predecessor.
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What mess?

BringIt said:
I'm talking about the President that forced Iran to release the hostages on his first day in office, because they knew they would pay the price if they didn't.
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Never happened. Reagan made a deal have the hostage release held off until Carter was out of office. Purely political.

BringIt said:
While the significance of the deaths of those 16 marines should never be diminished, it must also be placed in context. It was the first time the US had participated in a multi- national peacekeeping force in the region. The unexpected terrorist attack was indeed tragic.
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Unexpected my ass. You must be to young to have been around then as you are obviously clueless. I was around at the time of the the revisionist history you are making up.

BringIt said:
Inferring that Bin Laden somehow learned to beat America because of Ronald Reagan is a serious stretch. We can reserve that discussion for another thread.
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Not a stretch at all.



BringIt said:
I find your comment, "Reagan could only wish to have the integrety Obama does," laughable. History will be the judge. Not his JV cheering squad.
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You might want to do a little reading on he Iran/Contra scandal. He should have been impeached and jailed.
 
rhinefire said:
I am sure Putin is terrified of our skinny little wimp of a prez.
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Yeah man...he is bulking up, ready to strike fear into the hearts of his opponents.



Seriously...if Russia WASNT planning on anything in the Baltics they likely are now and if they were, does anyone REALLY believe they would take Obama seriously?
 
JC_CT said:
Not sure to be honest. I don't think we (the US) should be entering into unconditional military alliances with vulnerable ex-soviet states. It is more trouble than it's worth.

Do you agree with that?
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It depends. When once employs a particular stratagem, such as military alliances with vulnerable ex-soviet states, once must weigh the advantages and disadvantages that come with such a military alliance. I get the impression from the current administration no such measured and strategic thinking is being employed in the least.
 
poweRob said:
You are just desperate now to make a connection where there isn't one. Just admit you screwed up and save some face.
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Everything Obama does is connected. All his mistakes are combined to create an overall profile. The profile Putin sees is that of a *****.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063703032 said:
Fundamentally changing America...
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"After the election, I'll have more flexibility."
 
Doppelgangirl said:
I sincerely hope you're right, shrub...

I don't believe Putin wants to kick anything off, either, but I imagine he'd crash the proverbial party. I wouldn't be surprised, at that stage in the game, if he were to show up -- invited by one of our adversaries. I hope the theory of MAD holds true. I've never been a big conspiracy, the-Muslims-are-coming!, 2012-the-world-is-over type. But I will say this...

Between Putin/Ukraine, ISIS, Israel/Hamas, unsecured US borders...
This is the very first time in my life that I have considered there is a real chance, however remote, that things may turn bad very quickly. I find that potential disturbing
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Back during the Cuban missile crisis, in October, 1962, I was stationed with the U.S.Army in West Germany I found the chance that we would go to war 52-years ago very real and disturbing.

Let's all keep hoping that today's fragile peace stays intact.
 
apdst said:
"After the election, I'll have more flexibility."
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After the election, there will be at least one more run-off election in your LA.
And very probably in GA also since they have a 50% rule and a strong Libertarian polling at 8%.

Since Landrieu is still up 17% in a 4-way race, why should there be a run-off?
Shouldn't Cassidy have to be closer?
And why in the World would Palin support Manass?

And congrats if you're an LSU fan .
 
Doppelgangirl said:
What's wrong with academics, j-mac? The college kids just aren't getting the same "bang for the buck" these days. Damn economy.
Which is worse, in your opinion? An academic or a smartass? They both have their merits! :mrgreen:

Maybe Obama will turn out to be like those guys in school that were super-smarmy. Their "game" was -- that they had "no game." They act very innocent, then rear their ugly heads. Catches everyone off guard.

We have 2 years left with this guy in office. I certainly hope he's got something up his sleeve.
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For 6 years now there have been so many twists, conspiracies, and complaints, and let down's with this guy...I don't think he ever really cared about the job, or at least aspects that he doesn't like to do. When Obama came in he had purpose, he wanted to "fundamentally transform" the country...Some of us asked the question 'To what?'...Now we are finding out, he wanted a USA that was irrelevant to what goes on in the world. It is a vision that carries the dangerous attitude that if the US isn't a superpower, then we aren't a target...IMHO.
 
NIMBY said:
After the election, there will be at least one more run-off election in your LA.
And very probably in GA also since they have a 50% rule and a strong Libertarian polling at 8%.

Since Landrieu is still up 17% in a 4-way race, why should there be a run-off?
Shouldn't Cassidy have to be closer?
And why in the World would Palin support Manass?

And congrats if you're an LSU fan .
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You have no idea what I'm referring to, do you?

I'm not much of a football fan, at all, but I was impressed when LSU pulled that one out of their ass last night.
 
BringIt said:
No. I'm talking about the President that won the Cold War without firing a shot. The one that had to clean up the mess left behind by his Democrat predecessor. I'm talking about the President that forced Iran to release the hostages on his first day in office, because they knew they would pay the price if they didn't.

While the significance of the deaths of those 16 marines should never be diminished, it must also be placed in context. It was the first time the US had participated in a multi- national peacekeeping force in the region. The unexpected terrorist attack was indeed tragic.

Inferring that Bin Laden somehow learned to beat America because of Ronald Reagan is a serious stretch. We can reserve that discussion for another thread.



I find your comment, "Reagan could only wish to have the integrety Obama does," laughable. History will be the judge. Not his JV cheering squad.


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LOL Talk about rewriting history. Reagan did not scare Iran into freeing the hostages, he gave the Iranians 1000's of missiles for them. Yes history has judged Reagan and found him WANTING.


In a nationally broadcast speech last March 4, Mr. Reagan said he accepted the Tower Commission's findings and added, ''What began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages.'' At that time Mr. Reagan's aides said, informally, that he did not really believe that but felt compelled to appear contrite as a means of getting the scandal behind him. His remarks today seem to support that view.

Everybody has misunderstood and ''misconstrued'' his actions, he said today. ''We weren't dealing at all with the Ayatollah'' but others in the Iranian Government who ''asked for that token shipment of arms to verify - and so forth - our credentials,'' he said. Thousands of Missiles

Actually, over a year's time the United States shipped Iran 2,004 TOW anti-tank missiles, 120 Hawk anti-aircraft missiles and various missile spare parts.
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Arms to Iran Weren't for Hostages, Reagan Says - NYTimes.com

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VanceMack said:
Yeah man...he is bulking up, ready to strike fear into the hearts of his opponents.



Seriously...if Russia WASNT planning on anything in the Baltics they likely are now and if they were, does anyone REALLY believe they would take Obama seriously?
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Wow aren't we desperate to make our CIC look bad. Perhaps you prefer Russia's 5 foot 5 inch leader with lifts in his shoes and the phoney crap his state run media puts out to make him so formidable. The man is a legend in his own mind.

Whether Obama is a he man in the gym is irrelevent although we all know he's actually quite athletic. With a the best military in the world who gives a **** anyway?

BTW didn't bother watching your video. I can tell you video is fake just by the still version.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Wow aren't we desperate to make our CIC look bad. Perhaps you prefer Russia's 5 foot 5 inch leader with lifts in his shoes and the phoney crap his state run media puts out to make him so formidable. The man is a legend in his own mind.

Whether Obama is a he man in the gym is irrelevent although we all know he's actually quite athletic. With a the best military in the world who gives a **** anyway?

BTW didn't bother watching your video. I can tell you video is fake just by the still version.
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No one needs to help Obama look bad.

:lamo Sure it's a fake. CNN always goes out of their way to try to embarrass Obama.

Obama is a bitch. He is weak. His words are more likely to inspire aggression than to dissuade. That's what happens when you act like a bitch.
 
shrubnose said:
All I can say is that we'll just have to wait and see.

Who really knows what the future holds for us and how we will deal with it? :roll:
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The future is now.

Obama continues to suffer analysis paralysis. That is the most generous estimate.

More likely, like everything else in his foreign policy, he simply has not the first clue and doesn't want to make the next big mistake.
 
code1211 said:
The future is now.
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Obama continues to suffer analysis paralysis. That is the most generous estimate.

More likely, like everything else in his foreign policy, he simply has not the first clue and doesn't want to make the next big mistake.
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Wrong.

The future is the future. Now is now.

Get a grip on reality.
 
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