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WHITE HOUSE TO PUTIN Don't 'Even Think About Messing Around' With The Baltics

Those on the ground are now reporting that Ukrainian military forces are now fighting Russian regular military forces inside Ukraine. There appears to be no question that Russia has begun an invasion of sovereign Ukrainian territory, for what purpose or what end game it's hard to say. Clearly, threats and sanctions and bluster haven't changed the megalomaniac's path.
 
eohrnberger said:
Haven't they already invaded Crimea and the Ukraine already? May not be NATO countries, weren't they considering becoming such?

NATO

Ukraine

So that'd be a yes. Seems that Putin doesn't like the idea, and made his cause all this mischief and conflict. But seems to me that a sovereign nation should be allowed to chose whether to become a NATO member or not.
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Indeed. Even if Putin wants a "buffer state" this isn't the Soviet Union and he can't just invade.

A great photo/video thread that always is ahead of the news can be seen here...
Situation in the Ukraine/Crimea *Photos - Videos* ONLY

Edit-heres a new vid, apparently of a Chechn unit moving into Ukraine to provide assistance.
 
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US Conservative said:
What we really have here is an ACORN community organizer vs a KGB thug. We already know how that game will go.
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We are participating/observing the results of a truly ignorant State Dept., Intelligence Agency organized intrigue in Ukraine that has turned into a ball of crap.. The USA tries to bring Ukraine into its' Central Banking oligarchy and cut Russia's throat and expects Russia to just watch. Putin did all the right things for Russia and the USA did all the right things for the Bankers. Golly gee, who's not in this equation. Hot dam, y'all, Ukraine and its' citizens. Got headbangers, got Nazis, got a plethora of scumbags, made Ukraine a poor credit risk, got lots of people killed, Nuland got cookies to Maidan, Parubiy got snipers to Maidan, Yanukovych deftly avoids assassination and that complicates matters, as he's democratically elected and we throwin' them democratic buzzwords all over the place. Now we got the MH17 black hole of information to maintain because, because why? Hot dam, but even talk of invasion by Russians turns into presstitute stenographers offering pearls of insight without any proof. None, Zip. Zero. Mostly press from persons who shared bylines with Judith Miller. Just another coinky-dink, don't ya' know?
 
eohrnberger said:
Haven't they already invaded Crimea and the Ukraine already? May not be NATO countries, weren't they considering becoming such?

NATO

Ukraine

So that'd be a yes. Seems that Putin doesn't like the idea, and made his cause all this mischief and conflict. But seems to me that a sovereign nation should be allowed to chose whether to become a NATO member or not.
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A sovereign nation should be able to chose whether the U.S. enters into a mililtary pact with it?
 
DaveFagan said:
We are participating/observing the results of a truly ignorant State Dept., Intelligence Agency organized intrigue in Ukraine that has turned into a ball of crap.. The USA tries to bring Ukraine into its' Central Banking oligarchy and cut Russia's throat and expects Russia to just watch. Putin did all the right things for Russia and the USA did all the right things for the Bankers. Golly gee, who's not in this equation. Hot dam, y'all, Ukraine and its' citizens. Got headbangers, got Nazis, got a plethora of scumbags, made Ukraine a poor credit risk, got lots of people killed, Nuland got cookies to Maidan, Parubiy got snipers to Maidan, Yanukovych deftly avoids assassination and that complicates matters, as he's democratically elected and we throwin' them democratic buzzwords all over the place. Now we got the MH17 black hole of information to maintain because, because why? Hot dam, but even talk of invasion by Russians turns into presstitute stenographers offering pearls of insight without any proof. None, Zip. Zero. Mostly press from persons who shared bylines with Judith Miller. Just another coinky-dink, don't ya' know?
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Lots of gibberish in there but I will say this-Nothing the US did (including exerting its political influence in Ukraine) justifies the invasion of a sovereign nation by Russia. Even if that is as you say-Obama STILL blew it.
 
eohrnberger said:
Haven't they already invaded Crimea and the Ukraine already? May not be NATO countries, weren't they considering becoming such?

NATO

Ukraine

So that'd be a yes. Seems that Putin doesn't like the idea, and made his cause all this mischief and conflict.
But seems to me that a sovereign nation should be allowed to chose whether to become a NATO member or not.
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Maybe that's what you think, but NATO has other ideas.

Lots of people would like to join some fancy clubs, but the rules keep them out.
 
US Conservative said:
Lots of gibberish in there but I will say this-Nothing the US did (including exerting its political influence in Ukraine) justifies the invasion of a sovereign nation by Russia. Even if that is as you say-Obama STILL blew it.
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I would like to see proof that Russia invaded Ukraine. Not proof presented by Kiev. Sat photos with correct time stamps and showing vehicles in Russia and then in Ukraine. Once again for clarity. Time/date stamped. You know the USA has a gaggle of sats over Ukraine. It shouldn't present you any problem. There were 20,000 troops in Crimea by previous agreeement when all this occurred. Notice that Crimea has political and social stability with no bloodshed.
 
JC_CT said:
A sovereign nation should be able to chose whether the U.S. enters into a mililtary pact with it?
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I'm thinking that would be a yes. It does have to be in their interests, and the US shouldn't force such a thing on them. The US shouldn't be forcing that sort of decision on them anyway, as that would seem to be seriously flawed foreign policy.
 
US Conservative said:
What we really have here is an ACORN community organizer vs a KGB thug. We already know how that game will go.
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An ACORN community organizer cum rock star against a thug who for the first time since the Kruschev era is bragging on his nuclear weapons arsenal after having invaded the Ukraine, something Obama said he would not tolerate.

Instead of looking like the famous battle of the OK Coral it more resembles something from Blazing Saddles.
 
eohrnberger said:
I'm thinking that would be a yes. It does have to be in their interests, and the US shouldn't force such a thing on them. The US shouldn't be forcing that sort of decision on them anyway, as that would seem to be seriously flawed foreign policy.
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I meant from the United States' perspective....
 
DaveFagan said:
I would like to see proof that Russia invaded Ukraine. Not proof presented by Kiev. Sat photos with correct time stamps and showing vehicles in Russia and then in Ukraine. Once again for clarity. Time/date stamped. You know the USA has a gaggle of sats over Ukraine. It shouldn't present you any problem. There were 20,000 troops in Crimea by previous agreeement when all this occurred. Notice that Crimea has political and social stability with no bloodshed.
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Russia did it how Russia does. Facilitate unrest in the nation to be invaded. Have the locals ask for help. Come in to help. Right out of the cold war. I have seen videos where prisoners captured by Ukraine claim to be Russian, but then again they are Ukrainian.

There was bloodshed in Crimea, just less now. Good luck supporting Russia.
 
Fearandloathing said:
An ACORN community organizer cum rock star against a thug who for the first time since the Kruschev era is bragging on his nuclear weapons arsenal after having invaded the Ukraine, something Obama said he would not tolerate.

Instead of looking like the famous battle of the OK Coral it more resembles something from Blazing Saddles.
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Exactly. It would almost be funny if it wasn't so serious. Watching a KGB thug have his way with ANY POTUS is unsettling. This is what we get when we elect democrats.
 
I don't even understand how this is a left or right issue. War with Russia needs to be avoided, period. Let them dig up their own backyard. They aren't anywhere close to ours.
 
Fearandloathing said:
An ACORN community organizer cum rock star against a thug who for the first time since the Kruschev era is bragging on his nuclear weapons arsenal after having invaded the Ukraine, something Obama said he would not tolerate.

Instead of looking like the famous battle of the OK Coral it more resembles something from Blazing Saddles.
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:lamo: ... :thumbs:
 
Fearandloathing said:
Like Putin hasn't with impunity!
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What NATO country has Putin invaded?

I can understand some posters from others countries have no respect for our CIC but I find it shameful that Americans are lining up to verbally sodomize their president.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Being Canadian, allow me a hockey metaphor.

I have seen this many times, while playing, officiating and just watching. A new 'star" comes along and as is usual shows talent early and is advanced up the spectrum. He will soon find himself at 13, playing against 18 year olds.

Because he has heard for years he has such great gifts, be it stick handling, speed, a cannon of a slap shot or just a combination of all of it as well as size.

In the junior leagues he is now not so much the star, the game has changed, his moves no longer work, his opponents have experience, cunning and learned strategy; he finds himself stapled to the ice or boards a lot, his shots easily turned away by experienced goal tenders.

He does not realize he is, frankly, out of his league. He presses harder, faster, taking more risks, believing his own myth in the wake of mounting evidence he is, at this level a very average player, convinced he is the next Gretzski.

As all metaphors do, it breaks down there as the hockey player merely gets benched. But as Obama presses harder and takes more risk against a far more experienced and cunning opponent, Americans and the world must realize that the rookie star's failure could be WWIII
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Don't look now but your distain for the U.S. is showing again. I know of a lot finer examples of Canadians that not only travel to the U.S., but find spending the winter in Florida a lot more interesting than podunk Canada.
 
Sabanist said:
Obama would do nothing except give a blustering speech, maybe send weapons to neighboring states. But he would not engage russia in open conflict.

Putin has obamas number. I cant recall a time in history when we appeared so insignificant.
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LOL In your mind we are insignificant because we don't have a blustering lunatic saying "bring it on". What would you have the President do? Threaten a nuclear holocaust? Bush did absolutely nothing when Putin invaded Georgia so you can't think he was better.
You don't think Putin is blustering? If not he is certainly suicidal and should be committed. We are not going to have a NUCLEAR WAR over Ukraine. Which major national leader would engage Russia in open combat? I hope no one and certainly not the US. Putin has bet his political life on a losing cause and Obama has got him where he wants him. This will not turn out the way you are hoping, your hero is going down.

Here is some interesting stuff from another of your hero's regarding Putins invasion of Georgia in 2008. It appears that when a Republican is in office Putin is no longer a threat or a bully and doing nothing is the "manly" thing to do.

Charles Krauthammer announced on August 8, 2008, as Russian fleets advanced into the Black Sea and Russian jets launched raids targeting government buildings in Georgia. "What they are doing here is reasserting control of this province. And when it's done, which will probably happen in a couple days, the firing will crease."

Three days later, Krauthammer insisted there was nothing for the United States to do as the crisis escalated: "Well, obviously it's beyond our control. The Russians are advancing. There is nothing that will stop them. We are not going to go to war over Georgia." Krauthammer's Fox colleague Jeff Birnbaum, agreed: "Because Georgia is not part of NATO, there's really no danger the United States or Europe will get in involved in what is really a civil war almost between--within this small part of Georgia."
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If that doesn't make the U.S. sound insignificant I don't know what does. Obama is coordinating sanctions that are crippling the Russian economy and more will be coming soon. That is far more than Bush ever thought of doing in 2008
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03/04/flashback-2008-when-a-russian-invasion-made-fox/198322
 
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JC_CT said:
NATO is not his red line.

I agree that he should not be using red line rhetoric with Russia though. It's a fight we can't win.
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1st rule in war time diplomacy... You don't go around saying stuff like: "It's a fight we can't win." or "he should not be using red line rhetoric with Russia."

Yes, I know, BHO has sent all the wrong signals for years. And yes, I know that he has NO credibility at this point, but he will have to start acting like the leader of the free world at some point. Even if it flies in the face of his political rhetoric and progressive agenda.



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US Conservative said:
Exactly. It would almost be funny if it wasn't so serious. Watching a KGB thug have his way with ANY POTUS is unsettling. This is what we get when we elect democrats.
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I would say this is what you get when you elect idiots who want rock star status with no clue as how to how to manage an outhouse.

With that, it does seem you elect more Democrat lamp posts than Republican, and where I abhor a lot of what the Republican Party stands for, they get things done and are for the most part better economically for Canada, Bush's illegal war against our softwood lumber industry notwithstanding and yes I am aware that ball started rolling early in the Clinton administration.


This walking teleprompter, like Carter, blew it all and now I see a headline I hoped I would never see in the Vancouver Sun "Defiant Putin Rattles Nuclear Sabre at West". And like Cater supporters who swore there was no way of getting those hostages out, Obama's loyal till death apostles are steadfast that they have Putin shaking in his boots, while he has just successfully completed the first annexation of land in eastern Europe since Stalin as well as a full scale invasion of east Ukraine.

He warned Obama's much more war ready predecessor Bush, that he would "tear her apart" should the US try anything in Ukraine. He did and Putin is living up to his word and declaring himself the winner while standing alone in the ring
 
BringIt said:
1st rule in war time diplomacy... You don't go around saying stuff like: "It's a fight we can't win." or "he should not be using red line rhetoric with Russia."

Yes, I know, BHO has sent all the wrong signals for years. And yes, I know that he has NO credibility at this point, but he will have to start acting like the leader of the free world at some point. Even if it flies in the face of his political rhetoric and progressive agenda.



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Woah, you're annoying. BHO? I don't think he highlights the use of his middle name, and nor am I aware of any other U.S. Presidents named Barack Obama.

ANYWAY, you don't go to war with Russia, so it's not war time diplomacy. Unless millions of people dying is "your thing."
 
CanadaJohn said:
Those on the ground are now reporting that Ukrainian military forces are now fighting Russian regular military forces inside Ukraine. There appears to be no question that Russia has begun an invasion of sovereign Ukrainian territory, for what purpose or what end game it's hard to say. Clearly, threats and sanctions and bluster haven't changed the megalomaniac's path.
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I'm thinking we are most likely going to try and turn it into another Afghanistan debacle for them again where we fund and train the opposition until they just burn out on the idea of it.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
What NATO country has Putin invaded?

I can understand some posters from others countries have no respect for our CIC but I find it shameful that Americans are lining up to verbally sodomize their president.
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One, sodomize?


Sorry, I don't really do extreme posts.


A point that has been made several times, nothing in here except the lame, shallow posts even mentions "invading" a NATO country. THIS thread is about "even messing" with"which I would say qualifies since, with impunity and without a shred of fear of reprisals Putin has invaded Ukraine against dire warnings from a tough talking US president.

Nowhere but Obamaland is that anything but thumbing your nose at authority while you rape, slaughter and make homeless a civilian population Obama said he and NATO would not abandon.

Please pay attention.
 
BringIt said:
1st rule in war time diplomacy... You don't go around saying stuff like: "It's a fight we can't win." or "he should not be using red line rhetoric with Russia."

Yes, I know, BHO has sent all the wrong signals for years. And yes, I know that he has NO credibility at this point, but he will have to start acting like the leader of the free world at some point. Even if it flies in the face of his political rhetoric and progressive agenda.



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You're right he should take a page out of Bush's wise insight. LMAO



In 2001, President George Bush issued a truly astounding appraisal of Vladimir Putin, the former KGB agent who has run Russia since replacing Boris Yeltsin in 1999. “I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country.” Bush got it half right. Putin was absolutely committed to Russia and Russia’s interests. But trustworthy? I think Bush’s own CIA and FBI specialists would have told him to read his intelligence briefs more closely before opening his mouth.

I looked the man (Putin) in the eye and saw … the enemy | Dallas Morning News
 
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