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Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

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ocean515 said:
You see, the key here is that we have this really massive stick we can use if need be. It's how the world turns. Everyone can get along and reap the rewards from our mutual respect, or we can go the other way.
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More openness. That's nice. The US, a criminal with a big stick committing robbery in the ME and sharing the spoils with everyone else. We deserve respect for that.
 
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Montecresto said:
More openness. That's nice. The US, a criminal with a big stick committing robbery in the ME and sharing the spoils with the everyone else. We deserve respect for that.
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This Blame America First mantra gets a little tedious after a while. A very short while.

Do you have anything else?
 
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Grant said:
This Blame America First mantra gets a little tedious after a while. A very short while.

Do you have anything else?
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Sell another dream vacation.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

Montecresto said:
More openness. That's nice. The US, a criminal with a big stick committing robbery in the ME and sharing the spoils with everyone else. We deserve respect for that.
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LOL

It's good to have a big stick. It's why so many billions have come to appreciate what we do, and why they have no respect for those who want to watch it happen.
 
Texmex said:
It's better than the BS you posted.
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Your juvenile rhetoric is good for one thing. Exposing the general mindset of the average Obama voter.
 
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montecresto said:
more openness. That's nice. The us, a criminal with a big stick committing robbery in the me and sharing the spoils with everyone else. We deserve respect for that.
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lol !
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

Montecresto said:
IMO, stop removing stabilising forces like Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad! But that's only been pointed out endlessly.
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If that is the way, we then - especially in the West, need to modify our moral grounds. We need to look away and impassively ignore the rape, murder, and horrible living conditions of those people unfortunate enough to be born in these countries like Iraq with Hussein and his sons, and must tolerate the dirty dealings which undermine and even work against civil society. Leaving Assad to gas tens of thousands with a wagging finger and a few terse words from the State Department - a visit from the Sec. of State to a future Hussein and a passing mention while sipping tea that such brutal rapes and murders of young women by his sons looks rather dreadful on the world stage should be enough. A future Gaddafi and his naughty hijinx of hijacking planes and blowing up a few hundred people is a small price to keep the frothing Islamists from running amok.

I'm not sure we can do that actually.
 
Grant said:
This situation could have and should have been prevented but the poorly informed US electorate voted for Obama. Now there is no real leader among the democracies, though it appears David Cameron may take up the slack.
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Your link suggests that Obama is the only leader actually doing anything about ISIS.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

Ockham said:
If that is the way, we then - especially in the West, need to modify our moral grounds. We need to look away and impassively ignore the rape, murder, and horrible living conditions of those people unfortunate enough to be born in these countries like Iraq with Hussein and his sons, and must tolerate the dirty dealings which undermine and even work against civil society. Leaving Assad to gas tens of thousands with a wagging finger and a few terse words from the State Department - a visit from the Sec. of State to a future Hussein and a passing mention while sipping tea that such brutal rapes and murders of young women by his sons looks rather dreadful on the world stage should be enough. A future Gaddafi and his naughty hijinx of hijacking planes and blowing up a few hundred people is a small price to keep the frothing Islamists from running amok.

I'm not sure we can do that actually.
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You are not sure we can do that? We've done it for decades, and we continue to do it (just look at the horrible labor conditions the Saudis and the Emirs practice against their half-enslaved foreign work force, and see how we support them as allies. Look at our support for horrible South American dictators over the years. Just look at the fact that we used to support the very Saddam Hussein.

No, buddy, when it suits us, we turn a blind eye to stuff, and we'll continue to do it. We get all humanitarian, again, when it suits us.

You are over-estimating the goodness in this country. We're just as despicable as any other country. However, as a pragmatic, I do think we need to do what we need to do, in this tough world.
 
Grant said:
Saddam Hussein was 'the political institution'. You must be familiar with his record. The Iraqi people elected Maliki, not George Bush.

The responsibility for what's happening now in Iraq is the responsibility of Barrack Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and the entire Democrat Party. You can read their comments here. Obama Announces Complete Withdrawal of U.S. Forces From Iraq by End of 2011 | Fox News
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I guess you forgot that Bush banned the Baath party. But historical amnesia about conservative policy failures is de rigueur for modern conservatives.
 
FaceofBachmann said:
I guess you forgot that Bush banned the Baath party. But historical amnesia about conservative policy failures is de rigueur for modern conservatives.
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No reason to have mentioned them. Are you a supporter?
 
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GreatNews2night said:
You are not sure we can do that? We've done it for decades, and we continue to do it (just look at the horrible labor conditions the Saudis and the Emirs practice against their half-enslaved foreign work force, and see how we support them as allies. Look at our support for horrible South American dictators over the years. Just look at the fact that we used to support the very Saddam Hussein.
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I thought we are supposed to progress, not regress. Yes of course if I thought Americans and Europeans could move backwards I would have said so. To answer your question Yes, I am not sure we can do that.

GreatNews2night said:
No, buddy, when it suits us, we turn a blind eye to stuff, and we'll continue to do it. We get all humanitarian, again, when it suits us.
You are over-estimating the goodness in this country. We're just as despicable as any other country. However, as a pragmatic, I do think we need to do what we need to do, in this tough world.
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Perhaps I am over-estimating. Edmund Burke's quote seems to come to mind: "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."

You are willing to let such things consume us; I do not share that view.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

Ockham said:
If that is the way, we then - especially in the West, need to modify our moral grounds. We need to look away and impassively ignore the rape, murder, and horrible living conditions of those people unfortunate enough to be born in these countries like Iraq with Hussein and his sons, and must tolerate the dirty dealings which undermine and even work against civil society. Leaving Assad to gas tens of thousands with a wagging finger and a few terse words from the State Department - a visit from the Sec. of State to a future Hussein and a passing mention while sipping tea that such brutal rapes and murders of young women by his sons looks rather dreadful on the world stage should be enough. A future Gaddafi and his naughty hijinx of hijacking planes and blowing up a few hundred people is a small price to keep the frothing Islamists from running amok.

I'm not sure we can do that actually.
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Um, no! That's not at all what it means to stop providing fertile ground for militant Islamists to blossom in.

Since the Soviet-Afghan war, recruiting Mujahedin ("holy warriors") to fight covert wars on Washington's behest has become an integral part of US foreign policy. A 1997 document of the US Congress reveals how the Clinton administration --under advice from the National Security Council headed by Anthony Lake-- had "helped turn Bosnia into a militant Islamic base" leading to the recruitment through the so-called "Militant Islamic Network," of thousands of Mujahedin from the Muslim world.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/DCH109A.html


After the Soviet withdrawal, Afghanistan was effectively ungoverned for seven years and plagued by constant infighting between former allies and various mujahideen groups.

Throughout the 1990s, a new force began to emerge. The origins of the Taliban (literally "students") lay in the children of Afghanistan, many of them orphaned by the war, and many of whom had been educated in the rapidly expanding network of Islamic schools (madrassas) either in Kandahar or in the refugee camps on the Afghan-Pakistani border.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

GreatNews2night said:
You are not sure we can do that? We've done it for decades, and we continue to do it (just look at the horrible labor conditions the Saudis and the Emirs practice against their half-enslaved foreign work force, and see how we support them as allies. Look at our support for horrible South American dictators over the years. Just look at the fact that we used to support the very Saddam Hussein.

No, buddy, when it suits us, we turn a blind eye to stuff, and we'll continue to do it. We get all humanitarian, again, when it suits us.

You are over-estimating the goodness in this country. We're just as despicable as any other country. However, as a pragmatic, I do think we need to do what we need to do, in this tough world.
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That's the way it is!
 
Grant said:
No reason to have mentioned them. Are you a supporter?
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You brought up Iraq's leadership. I guess you're unaware that the country was run by the Baath Party, which Bush eliminated, after plunging the nation into chaos.

But hey, don't let me interfere with your expressions of historical ignorance. Just try not to blame Obama too much for conservative foreign policy fiascos.
 
FaceofBachmann said:
You brought up Iraq's leadership. I guess you're unaware that the country was run by the Baath Party, which Bush eliminated, after plunging the nation into chaos.

But hey, don't let me interfere with your expressions of historical ignorance. Just try not to blame Obama too much for conservative foreign policy fiascos.
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And de-bathification led to the current crisis we see now in Iraq.
 
FaceofBachmann said:
You brought up Iraq's leadership. I guess you're unaware that the country was run by the Baath Party, which Bush eliminated, after plunging the nation into chaos.

But hey, don't let me interfere with your expressions of historical ignorance. Just try not to blame Obama too much for conservative foreign policy fiascos.
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The roots of the most recent crisis in Iraq can be traced to the US-led invasion of 2003 and western meddling in Syria. At stake, is the neoliberal blueprint of post-invasion Iraq, now defended in an effort coordinated between the Baghdad government and its western backers.

What today is ISIS, the self-proclaimed Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), was founded as an Al-Qaida´s franchise in Iraq in direct response to the US-led invasion. The group thrived in the security vacuum the invaders created by dismantling the Iraqi security apparatus. At the time, Amnesty International criticized the US for not sufficiently investing in the security of civilians, while guarding oil fields around the clock. Needless to say, oil was the primary motive behind the invasion.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/arab-...le-in-defence-of-neoliberal-political-economy
 
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Montecresto said:
IMO, stop removing stabilising forces like Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad! But that's only been pointed out endlessly.
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So your solution is to allow murdering dictators to stay in power?

BTW: We didn't remove Mubarak. The Egyptians did that on their own. And then they also removed the Muslim Brotherhood when they started getting tyrannical.
 
FaceofBachmann said:
You brought up Iraq's leadership. I guess you're unaware that the country was run by the Baath Party, which Bush eliminated, after plunging the nation into chaos.

But hey, don't let me interfere with your expressions of historical ignorance. Just try not to blame Obama too much for conservative foreign policy fiascos.
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Absolute nonsense.

Isis is marching through Iraq NOW because they can. Because Obama politicized the Iraq war and like a idiot pulled every out American forces.

That decision wasn't made by a Conservative, it was made by a guy who got elected based on empty platitudes and bumper sticker slogans.

All they needed was a opportunity and thats what obama gave them. Same thing goes in Lybia.
 
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Roadvirus said:
So your solution is to allow murdering dictators to stay in power?

BTW: We didn't remove Mubarak. The Egyptians did that on their own. And then they also removed the Muslim Brotherhood when they started getting tyrannical.
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Recall how Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood. This certainly upset the Egyptian people at the time, and caused their country many lives lost. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/23/opinion/roger-cohen-working-with-the-muslim-brotherhood.html?_r=0
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

Roadvirus said:
So your solution is to allow murdering dictators to stay in power?

BTW: We didn't remove Mubarak. The Egyptians did that on their own. And then they also removed the Muslim Brotherhood when they started getting tyrannical.
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The US certainly stood back and watched at least, while supporting MB and yes, The strong arms known as Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad gave no quarter to militant Islamists which now have the ME inflamed, again dude, turn off Fox News and go to Al Jazeera which is presenting the real Libya!! STOP THE ****ING INSANITY!
 
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Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

Grant said:
Recall how Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood. This certainly upset the Egyptian people at the time, and caused their country many lives lost. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/23/opinion/roger-cohen-working-with-the-muslim-brotherhood.html?_r=0
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That's right, he did support the MB in Egypt, al Qaeda in Libya/Syria and as such these militant Islamists are stronger. It was only yesterday that Rand Paul was pointing out that Obama was supporting ISIS in Syria, now he can't wait to be CiC so he can go destroy them militarily.
 
FaceofBachmann said:
You brought up Iraq's leadership. I guess you're unaware that the country was run by the Baath Party, which Bush eliminated, after plunging the nation into chaos.
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He captured Saddam Hussein, leader of the Baath party, who was then tried by the Iraqi courts. Sadly for his supporters, they found him guilty of crimes against humanity and he was hanged. You must miss him a lot.

But hey, don't let me interfere with your expressions of historical ignorance. Just try not to blame Obama too much for conservative foreign policy fiascos.
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Perhaps you can explain how Obama's mismanagement of the US economy relates to Syria or Iraq.
 
Grant said:
He captured Saddam Hussein, leader of the Baath party, who was then tried by the Iraqi courts. Sadly for his supporters, they found him guilty of crimes against humanity and he was hanged. You must miss him a lot.
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Keep diverting. Who eliminated the Baath party and left Iraq in sectarian chaos?

Perhaps you can explain how Obama's mismanagement of the US economy relates to Syria or Iraq.
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Imagine a Bush supporter talking about mismanaged economies.
 
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