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Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

TheNextEra said:
May I remind you that in a time of crisis ALL our leaders are supposed to step up top the plate. I am on record as saying the president is incompetent, however, with that said, so is Congress.
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No argument there.

TheNextEra said:
Yes, they both did, both sides of our so called LEADERSHIP went on vacation in a time of crisis. Obviously they don't think ISIS is a threat.
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You don't understand... Their vacation was already on the schedule!

TheNextEra said:
You'll have to show where I don't think ISIS is a threat. In fact, if we didn't have such lazy posters and they actually read peopoe's comments instead of assuming things, we might have better discussions.
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You can see by the number of posts that I've made that I'm new to the forum. I'm trying to get up to speed and read all the previous posts.
It will take me a while to figure out who the bullies are on the playground, who has sound advice, who totes the party line regardless of the facts, who wants to engage in thoughtful debate and who the gawkers are. In the mean time I'd appreciate it if you would take a step back.

TheNextEra said:
Yeah, so obviously the president and congress don't think ISIS is a threat. What do you think of the GOP and Dem leadership?

You'll have to show where I am a hypocrite since I have criticized BOTH sides AND the president. You on the other hand, what do you have to say for the GOP leadership taking vacation. We know you think the president and the Dems doing it is wrong, so what about the GOP?
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I think both parties suck. However, the GOP sucks less. At least our nation could survive under GOP rule. We have little hope on our current path.

I fear for the future for the future of our children. The future of our children's children is even more bleak. I think, with a few exceptions, that every member of Congress needs to be voted out of office and replaced with men and women of honor, integrity, and moral fiber. This country needs fresh blood in Washington. More than anytime in our history this country needs individuals with new ideas, a moral compass and no baggage. But I know that will never happen. The system won't allow it. Any decent person that stands up and wants to try... gets torn to shreds by the State controlled media. What will it take to break this death spiral?

TheNextEra said:
Cute pictures BTW, but quite childish and sophomoric on the debate scale. This isn't picture-land son.
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But gosh Daddy, I was always told that a picture is worth a thousand words.

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Grant said:
Here's another Obama supporter who thinks Congress is the Commander in Chief. Leftists keep making my case for me!
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Again, all you do is lie in your comments. List how WITH QUOTES how I am an Obama supporter. It's always fun watching you lose when you resort to lying in your comments. Sad really, but predictable.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

BringIt said:
You don't understand... Their vacation was already on the schedule!
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So was mine, then I had a family crisis so I cancelled it to deal with it instead of going on vacation. It's called being responsible. Maybe you'll learn that someday.

You can see by the number of posts that I've made that I'm new to the forum. I'm trying to get up to speed and read all the previous posts.
It will take me a while to figure out who the bullies are on the playground, who has sound advice, who totes the party line regardless of the facts, who wants to engage in thoughtful debate and who the gawkers are. In the mean time I'd appreciate it if you would take a step back.
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Well maybe for someone being so new hear YOU should refrain from making partisan comments about other posters until you do your little research. Makes you look less foolish in the end when you make accusations about poster's beliefs without knowing first.

I think both parties suck. However, the GOP sucks less. At least our nation could survive under GOP rule. We have little hope on our current path.

I fear for the future for the future of our children. The future of our children's children is even more bleak. I think, with a few exceptions, that every member of Congress needs to be voted out of office and replaced with men and women of honor, integrity, and moral fiber. This country needs fresh blood in Washington. More than anytime in our history this country needs individuals with new ideas, a moral compass and no baggage. But I know that will never happen. The system won't allow it. Any decent person that stands up and wants to try... gets torn to shreds by the State controlled media. What will it take to break this death spiral?
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Ah you're one of those that actually believes voting for the lesser of two evils without realize your STILL voting for evil. Until people realize the Dem/GOP duopoly has failed us, the country will continue to crumble REGARDLESS who is in charge. I do find it amusing that many conservatives don't mind corruption as long as it is THEIR guys in charge doing it.

But gosh Daddy, I was always told that a picture is worth a thousand words.
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Real pictures yes, not some photoshopped childish rants. But hey, if that is how you want your debates to like, childish it is then and that is how you will be noted.
 
Robert Gibbs was on Morning Joe this morning saying that the President shouldn't have said this (about having no strategy), and he & his staff realized it right after he said it, so they are walking it back as best they can. Apparently the senior military officials are enraged with Obama, according to both Gibbs as well as Richard Engel who is MSNBC's Chief Foreign Correspondent, who was on Meet The Press.
 
tres borrachos said:
Robert Gibbs was on Morning Joe this morning saying that the President shouldn't have said this (about having no strategy), and he & his staff realized it right after he said it, so they are walking it back as best they can. Apparently the senior military officials are enraged with Obama, according to both Gibbs as well as Richard Engel who is MSNBC's Chief Foreign Correspondent, who was on Meet The Press.
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It was a very stupid move on the President's part. I don't see what he or anyone else thought he would gain by saying this. All it has done is emboldened ISIS as it and others view the U.S. as being incompetent. I was happy to see at least Great Britain taking steps against radical Islam in their country.
 
Anthony60 said:
More ignorance. Not a good strategy. Though, it is similar to Obama's.
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More comments from the GOP mouthpiece. That's laughable at best. :lamo
 
TheNextEra said:
It was a very stupid move on the President's part. I don't see what he or anyone else thought he would gain by saying this. All it has done is emboldened ISIS as it and others view the U.S. as being incompetent. I was happy to see at least Great Britain taking steps against radical Islam in their country.
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That's pretty much what Gibbs was saying (although he said it nicer).;) It's not like Obama either to open his mouth without thinking about the impact of his words. To his credit, he doesn't do that often.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

TheNextEra said:
So was mine, then I had a family crisis so I cancelled it to deal with it instead of going on vacation. It's called being responsible. Maybe you'll learn that someday.

Well maybe for someone being so new hear YOU should refrain from making partisan comments about other posters until you do your little research. Makes you look less foolish in the end when you make accusations about poster's beliefs without knowing first.

Ah you're one of those that actually believes voting for the lesser of two evils without realize your STILL voting for evil. Until people realize the Dem/GOP duopoly has failed us, the country will continue to crumble REGARDLESS who is in charge. I do find it amusing that many conservatives don't mind corruption as long as it is THEIR guys in charge doing it.

Real pictures yes, not some photoshopped childish rants. But hey, if that is how you want your debates to like, childish it is then and that is how you will be noted.
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Wow.

I'm beginning to think that you actually think that I care what you think.

Take a deep breath. Try and relax. Learn when to step away from the computer. Lighten Up. Get a dog, son.

TheNextError

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TheNextEra said:
Again, all you do is lie in your comments. List how WITH QUOTES how I am an Obama supporter. It's always fun watching you lose when you resort to lying in your comments. Sad really, but predictable.
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You didn't vote for Obama in the last Presidential election? You certainly didn't seem like a Romney man.
 
GreatNews2night said:
I've already explained that I'm against the pulling of the troops and it is the basis for me ALSO blaming Obama.
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It was Obama who pulled the troops. No one else. In fact during the Bush Administration t was expected that up to 70,000 troops might remain. This was the prediction at the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_t-YCnZKg8

Stable as far as terrorism goes. Saddam as a dictator was oppressing his people and was bellicose against neighbors but terrorists had no space to thrive there.
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It was a terror state and there is no indication that Saddam Hussein was friendly with any western nations.

Right, you've heard it before. It's not nonsense; it's called a diplomatic blunder.
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Just think about this for a moment. If a US Ambassador was to say to any leader of the world that it is okay to invade their neighbor, then it's okay to invade? And despite this, you still think Saddam Hussein was "stable"? Stable people don't invade their neighbors just because an Ambassador gives them a wink and a nudge. I know millions enjoy criticizing the US but blaming them for Saddam Hussein attacking Kuwait is a leap in logic that is borderline crazy.

I think you're the one missing all the other factors, and narrowly considering only one factor.
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We go with the last, most significant, factor.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said no one is to blame. It's a complex situation with multiple causes and multiple people screwed up, which is frankly quite incredible that you are unable to see.
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It's not as complex as you make it out to be. Just follow the chronology.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

BringIt said:
Wow.

I'm beginning to think that you actually think that I care what you think.

Take a deep breath. Try and relax. Learn when to step away from the computer. Lighten Up. Get a dog, son.

TheNextError
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Translation is that you cannot refute anything I said and instead only know how to post cartoons instead. Your concession and defeat are noted.
 
Grant said:
You didn't vote for Obama in the last Presidential election? You certainly didn't seem like a Romney man.
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No, I didn't vote for Obama or Romney, both were wrong for America. As usual, your partisan comments get the best of you.
 
TheNextEra said:
No, I didn't vote for Obama or Romney, both were wrong for America. As usual, your partisan comments get the best of you.
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Well it seems your vote, or staying at home, had no effect whatsoever. Much like your posts.
 
Grant said:
Well it seems your vote, or staying at home, had no effect whatsoever. Much like your posts.
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Yet again voting for third party is not staying at hoome, but you seem to love to keep putting your foot in your mouth with your comments. Seeing as you are hiding out in Canada your comments are useless.
 
TheNextEra said:
Yet again voting for third party is not staying at hoome, but you seem to love to keep putting your foot in your mouth with your comments. Seeing as you are hiding out in Canada your comments are useless.
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Please don't respond to a post until you have read it.
 
Grant said:
Please don't respond to a post until you have read it.
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How about you worry about yourself. I'll post as I please, so go pound sand. Just because you are getting called out on your lying comments is not my fault.
 
Anthony60 said:
Well, since you are resorting to name calling and being a parrot, you are admitting to not having much of an argument.
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You definitely need to work on your reading comprehension skills if you got that from what I typed. But nice try there son, you still lost.
 
Grant said:
It was Obama who pulled the troops. No one else. In fact during the Bush Administration t was expected that up to 70,000 troops might remain. This was the prediction at the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_t-YCnZKg8
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Why are you insisting with this? I just said that I agree with you on this, and that it is the main reason why I blame Obama.
It was a terror state and there is no indication that Saddam Hussein was friendly with any western nations.
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He was friendly with us. As a matter of fact we were helping him, against Iran.
Just think about this for a moment. If a US Ambassador was to say to any leader of the world that it is okay to invade their neighbor, then it's okay to invade? And despite this, you still think Saddam Hussein was "stable"? Stable people don't invade their neighbors just because an Ambassador gives them a wink and a nudge. I know millions enjoy criticizing the US but blaming them for Saddam Hussein attacking Kuwait is a leap in logic that is borderline crazy.
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Borderline crazy? It's called facts. It's been published in memoirs from the ambassador and multiple other accounts. Saddam was being supported by us because he was up against Iran. He met with the US ambassador and consulted about invading Kuwait. The ambassador told him "It's an Arab-Arab issue, not our problem, we have nothing to say or do about it." Saddam then decided to invade. Obviously if the US had told him at the time "Don't even think about it. If you do we will not only withdraw our support, but will come down really really hard on you. Expect 500,000 of our troops on the ground plus thousands of tanks. We'll decimate your army and bring you down from power. Furthermore, you may very well get killed." Well, most likely, Saddam wouldn't have invaded Kuwait, then. In one phrase, we'd have avoided the first Gulf War (in which we did put 500,000 men on the ground and thousands of tanks). See what I mean? To ignore that this was a diplomatic blunder is just incredible. You're doing it, I'd guess, just because the then president was from the GOP. Had a Democratic president's ambassador committed this blunder, you'd be all up in arms against it.
We go with the last, most significant, factor.
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I know you do, and that's why you are wrong. Try to dig a bit deeper and have a broader understanding of history and geopolitics. You'll then understand better that immediate causes are preceded by remote causes and they are both important.
It's not as complex as you make it out to be. Just follow the chronology.
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Maybe you don't see the complexity but mostly everybody else who looks at the Middle East does. In that region of the world, things are never simple. Sure, we can follow the chronology, which is what I'm doing. Just, I'm starting the line further back in the past while you're just considering the very recent past, which is a certain way to be mistaken and narrow-minded about stuff.
 
TheNextEra said:
You definitely need to work on your reading comprehension skills if you got that from what I typed. But nice try there son, you still lost.
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My skills are just fine. If you think that's the problem, you need to take a step back and reevaluate your posts. You need to throw a little bit of logic and facts in there, and stop the name calling. You are basically vomitting on the thread. A word to the wise.
 
Anthony60 said:
My skills are just fine. If you think that's the problem, you need to take a step back and reevaluate your posts. You need to throw a little bit of logic and facts in there, and stop the name calling. You are basically vomitting on the thread. A word to the wise.
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Take your own advice there son.
 
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