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Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

That's the problem with supplying rebels, because you don't know who they will affiliate themselves with and make trades. It's becoming a messed up situation, where we don't know who to support.

For now, I think the Obama plan is to keep the conflict contained within it's current geographic boundaries, so as not to widen its scope or draw in other surrounding countries (Jordan, Iran, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc).

Well supplying weapons to Lebanon. Is not supplying weapons like to rebels. Moreover as WN put it.....the Lebanese government is nothing more than the beard of Hezbollah.

So while he said he had no plans.....this shipment has been in the works.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

Obama doesn't seem to know who the good guys or bad guys are. "Rebels" has no meaning.

Well, to be honest, there are no good guys in Syria, just bad guys and civilians.
 
I know, being a Bush supporter, these concepts seem foreign to you, but it's the way most of the world operates.
Do you have any evidence that BHO is thinking or planning anything? Or is this just your hope?
 
I can see no basis for your strident denials of the obvious. Acceptance of your denial would mean that all the idiotic attacks on him are the result of logical, coherent thinking -- and that is quite a laugh when you hear some of these nutcases rant on the TV and radio, and read some of the missives published in print and on the internet :screwy

It is rare that one black man engenders so much hatred from so many white 'conservatives', but the reason for it is not. All I can say is that if so many so firmly rooted in the past hate him so passionately then he must represent social progress :)


When all else fails play the race card.

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The other evening on my twitter, a person asked me why I didn't like the Obama's. Specifically I was asked: "I have to ask, why do you hate the Obama's? It seems personal, not policy related. You even dissed (disrespect) their Christmas family picture."

The truth is I do not like the Obamas, what they represent, their ideology, and I certainly do not like his policies and legislation. I've made no secret of my contempt for the Obamas. As I responded to the person who asked me the aforementioned question, I don't like them because they are committed to the fundamental change of my/our country into what can only be regarded as a Communist state.

I don't hate them per definition, but I condemn them because they are the worst kind of racialists, they are elitist Leninists with contempt for traditional America . They display disrespect for the sanctity of the office he holds, and for those who are willing to admit same, Michelle Obama's raw contempt for white America is transpicuous.

I don't like them because they comport themselves as emperor and empress. I expect, no I demand respect, for the Office of President, and a love of our country and her citizens, from the leader entrusted with the governance of same. President and Mrs. Reagan displayed an unparalleled love for the country and her people. The Reagan's made Americans feel good about themselves and about what we could accomplish.

His (Obama's) arrogance by appointing 32 leftist czars and constantly bypassing congress is impeachable.. Eric Holder is probably the MOST incompetent and arrogant DOJ head to ever hold the job. Could you envision President Reagan instructing his Justice Department to act like jack-booted thugs?

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Michelle Obama is free to hate and disparage whites because Americans of every description paid with their blood to ensure her right to do that. I have a saying, that "the only reason a person hides things, is because they have something to hide." No president in history has spent over a million dollars to keep his records and his past sealed.

And what the two of them have shared has been proven to be lies. He lied about when and how they met, he lied about his mother's death and problems with insurance, Michelle lied to a crowd pursuant to nearly $500,000 bank stocks they inherited from his family. He has lied about his father's military service, about the civil rights movement, ad nausea. He lied to the world about the Supreme Court in a State of the Union address.

He berated and publicly insulted a sitting Congressman. He has surrounded himself with the most rabidly, radical, socialist academicians today. He opposed rulings that protected women and children that even Planned Parenthood did not seek to support. He is openly hostile to business and aggressively hostile to Israel.

His wife treats being the First Lady as her personal American Express Black Card (arguably the most prestigious credit card in the world). I condemn them because, as people are suffering, losing their homes, their jobs, their retirements, he and his family are arrogantly showing off their life of entitlement - as he goes about creating and fomenting class warfare.

I don't like them, and I neither apologize nor retreat from my public condemnation of them and of his policies. We should condemn them for the disrespect they show our people, for his willful and unconstitutional actions pursuant to obeying the Constitutional parameters he is bound by, and his willful disregard for Congressional authority.

Dislike for them has nothing to do with the color of their skin; it has everything to do with their behavior, attitudes, and policies. And I have open scorn for their constantly playing the race card.

I could go on, but let me conclude with this. I condemn in the strongest possible terms the media for refusing to investigate them, as they did President Bush and President Clinton, and for refusing to label them for what they truly are. There is no scenario known to man, whereby a white president and his wife could ignore laws, flaunt their position, and lord over the people, as these two are permitted out of fear for their color.

As I wrote in a syndicated column titled, "Nero In The White House" - "Never in my life, inside or outside of politics, have I witnessed such dishonesty in a political leader.

He is the most mendacious political figure I have ever witnessed. Even by the low standards of his presidential predecessors, his narcissistic,contumacious arrogance is unequaled. Using Obama as the bar, Nero would have to be elevated to sainthood.


Many in America wanted to be proud when the first person of color was elected president, but instead, they have been witness to a congenital liar, a woman who has been ashamed of America her entire life, failed policies, intimidation, and a commonality hitherto not witnessed in political leaders. He and his wife view their life at our expense as an entitlement - while America 's people go homeless, hungry and unemployed.


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Well supplying weapons to Lebanon. Is not supplying weapons like to rebels. Moreover as WN put it.....the Lebanese government is nothing more than the beard of Hezbollah.

So while he said he had no plans.....this shipment has been in the works.


Yeah, but Hezbollah are terrorists and extremists, just a different brand than the Islamic extremists in Syria, who recently attacked the Lebanese border town of Arsal kidnapping and killing soldiers. If ISIS effectively took over Lebanon, I guarantee Israel would unleash an attack of epic proportions on them. It's all about containment for now, and the enemy of our enemy is our friend.
 
Good afternoon F&L - morning in your neck of the woods - hope all is well.

Have to disagree with you here. It is mind boggling to me that the President and the Pentagon don't have a strategy for dealing with ISIS when they just went into Iraq and spent a few days bombing ISIS. What was the intent behind that move? To calm domestic anger only? What did the Pentagon tell him was the likely outcome from the bombing? Or doesn't the Pentagon waste time filling the President in on what's happening in the world these days?

The US, the Defense Department and the State Department have strategies and contingency plans for any number of potential scenarios that are taking place or may take place in the world at any point in time. What this tells me is that the President isn't in the loop and that's probably a good thing.



And good EDT to you sir.


I hope you understand that the post was intended as sarcasm, but you are correct. They have been talking about bombing these guys for how long now?

I suspect there is no plan because they have not one clue what to do that will appease their base, Republican moderates and the international community. I don't know about your neck of the woods, but here in the sensible shoe wearing, organic left coast there is the usual level of ambiguity; but Ukraine remains the higher focus.
So if that is the prevailing attitude in Europe, Mr. Obama is likely having trouble deciding whether to appease hawks, doves with a "teeny" attack, or his precious "international community"
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

We started interfering once the Saud and Qatar pressured us to do so. Which Hill-Dog admitted in her Friends of Syrian Meetings. Wherein she stated we gave support to the MB backed Rebels in the form of Soft aid and helping them to avoid capture.

Yeah you can make the case Russia supported Assad.....but then that's about it.

And of course Russia supported president Assad and if the US had sound policies in the ME, we would have as well. But don't be thinking the lone super power had its arm twisted by SA and Qatar alone. "Regime change" in Syria has been a long term US foreign policy.
 
Yeah, but Hezbollah are terrorists and extremists, just a different brand than the Islamic extremists in Syria, who recently attacked the Lebanese border town of Arsal kidnapping and killing soldiers. If ISIS effectively took over Lebanon, I guarantee Israel would unleash an attack of epic proportions on them. It's all about containment for now, and the enemy of our enemy is our friend.


Well al Nusra already has taken the Quneitri Crossing.....and is in the Golan Heights. Also 6 rockets were fired from Syria and from the same region. Yet none have taken credit.

Which we have that up in the War on Terror Forum.
 
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He said were are adding troops (surge) in Afghanistan and then we're pulling out in two weeks no matter what.



Leaving. In other words, with the "no matter what" even if the Taliban hump up Al-Qaeda the US is out, gone, abandoning the original objective just like Vietnam and now Iraq.

Yeah, that's a "plan".
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

And of course Russia supported president Assad and if the US had sound policies in the ME, we would have as well. But don't be thinking the lone super power had its arm twisted by SA and Qatar alone. "Regime change" in Syria has been a long term US foreign policy.

Mornin Monte. :2wave: I didn't forget that's why I talked about the French and their resolutions in the UN. Which with Syria.....BO was still playing follower.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

The fact is that there isn't anything the U.S. and it's allies can do to effectively put an end to ISIS short of an all out invasion of Syria and a reoccupation of Iraq. Even then, like Al Qaeda, it's unlikely they will ever really be defeated. The removal of Saddam Hussein was one of the worst foreign policy/military decisions in this country's history and now we're going to have to pay the price for it. The only question the Obama administration needs to decide is how high that price will be. If there is no strategy yet it's because it hasn't been decided who will share in that burden with us and how.

No one could have predicted that ISIS would gain the traction it has and no one could have predicted that the Iraqi army would hand over vast swaths of their country without a fight. For example, no one foresaw 30,000 heavily armed and American trained Iraqi troops abandoning their posts and weaponry then fleeing from only 500 lightly armed terrorists on the outskirts of Mosul. There is only one possible even remotely effective course of action which I noted above and I'm glad we have a President who is going to think long and hard about it this time around instead of throwing resources and lives away without a plan. What we don't need is more war hawk knee-jerk reactionism.

Marching across the Middle East and creating power vacuums that have given rise to militant Islamic groups seems the earlier problem and reason for the handwringing over what to do now that we've let ISIS out of the bag.
 
I can see no basis for your strident denials of the obvious. Acceptance of your denial would mean that all the idiotic attacks on him are the result of logical, coherent thinking -- and that is quite a laugh when you hear some of these nutcases rant on the TV and radio, and read some of the missives published in print and on the internet :screwy

It is rare that one black man engenders so much hatred from so many white 'conservatives', but the reason for it is not. All I can say is that if so many so firmly rooted in the past hate him so passionately then he must represent social progress :)

People are laughing at Obama, ridiculing Obama, wondering why anyone would vote for him, curios who the boneheads are who still think he's doing agood job but, as far as I have ever seen, no one has ever said they hated him.

Ridiculing someone and hating them is not the same thing, though you seem to want to believe that. Seems you also want to believe its about race as well. Barrack is only a reminder that stupid comes in all races, colors, and cultures.
 
Well al Nusra already has taken the Quneitri Crossing.....and is in the Golan Heights. Also 6 rockets were fired from Syria and from the same region. Yet none have taken credit.

Which we have that up in the War on Terror Forum.


Yeah, I just read about the rebels in Golan and repelling the Filipino UN peacekeepers. That's getting dangerously close to Israel and they won't stand for those ISIL fighters one bit. They'll break out a whole case of "whoop-ass" and do the Meshuggina stomp.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

And what exactly is your master plan? Keep in mind it needs to be more detailed than: KILL EM ALL!

"Staying the **** out of it" IS a plan, and it's the plan most Americans want.

Not if you're a chickenhawk and in need of greasing the war machine.
 
You mean he's going to actually think about what to do next? That's outrageous! Boy do I miss the days when we had a real American president who would take drastic, irreversible action that led to the death of many, many Americans without having to stop and consider alternative plans. Obama has proven himself incompetent here by refusing to put our military in harm's way at the drop of a hat because there are a lot of conservatives who hate him and see this (and anything else) as another reason to hate him more.

No, he want's you to think that inbetween putt's on the 13th hole, he is thinking about it...What he is doing in reality is inserting Special Forces in there that he hasn't told anyone about, and left our policy open to the same type of 'mission creep' that liberal presidents always do....They are typically indecisive, and get more of our young men and women killed in conflict than repub's do. And you fall for the BS every time...Congratulations.
 
Yeah, I just read about the rebels in Golan and repelling the Filipino UN peacekeepers. That's getting dangerously close to Israel and they won't stand for those ISIL fighters one bit. They'll break out a whole case of "whoop-ass" and do the Meshuggina stomp.

Yeah they called them Rebels.....even tho Al Nusra pledged to ISIL. Rebels is a stretch.....They are Terrorists and are not part of the MB backed Syrian Rebels.

They also took 40 Un peacekeepers.
 
There's this kind of stupidity that's infected so many Americans because of the internet and the digital age. We expect immediate action in response to any drastic situation that's caused anger or outrage. Shirley Sherrod said something racist? She must be fired! ISIS is a major threat?! Bomb them sky high tomorrow!

The best course of action is considering all options and then doing the smart thing, not taking stupid but immediate action because there's some angry guy on the internet who's saying "won't somebody think of the children?!"

You've almost got it, but there's an extension to your point. And that is the uninformed people that don't have a clue as to the damage that Obama is doing to this country, and their very own rights. They have no idea about what the Constitution is there for, or what he is doing to violate it. Team them up with the left wing socialists who hate the Constitution, and you have enough votes to elect someone like Obama.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

Marching across the Middle East and creating power vacuums that have given rise to militant Islamic groups seems the earlier problem and reason for the handwringing over what to do now that we've let ISIS out of the bag.
That 'power vacuum' occurred when Obama removed the troops and yes, what do we do now? BHO will probably start on a strategy when he returns from the fundraisers and wedding but how will any Allies react? I doubt that the military trusts him either.

It's a serious problem when the world's leading democracy, like it or not, will remain leaderless for over two years.
 
No, he want's you to think that inbetween putt's on the 13th hole, he is thinking about it...What he is doing in reality is inserting Special Forces in there that he hasn't told anyone about, and left our policy open to the same type of 'mission creep' that liberal presidents always do....They are typically indecisive, and get more of our young men and women killed in conflict than repub's do. And you fall for the BS every time...Congratulations.

The interesting thing about leftists is that despite always being wrong, wrong, and wrong again they that never lose enthusiasm for their tired ideas, or their leaders who repeat them. If spouses were that dedicated there'd be no need for divorce courts.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

Marching across the Middle East and creating power vacuums that have given rise to militant Islamic groups seems the earlier problem and reason for the handwringing over what to do now that we've let ISIS out of the bag.

So...when did we march in Syria? When will the progressives work it out that these fanatical Islamic terrorist groups do not just spring up out of thin air. We did not create them. Nor did we create the power vacuum in Syria.
 
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