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Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

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US Conservative said:
It does not work, and nobody is buying it.
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And you represent who, other than yourself?

Generally, if Obama is pissing you off, he's doing a fine job in my opinion.
 
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US Conservative said:
It does not work, and nobody is buying it.
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Heya USC. :2wave: Yeah some forgot that poll on BO lying and how much people trusted him nowadays.
 
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MMC said:
Heya USC. :2wave: Yeah some forgot that poll on BO lying and how much people trusted him nowadays.
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He's got no credibility, and he's got nothing but disaster as his "achievements". Its one reason the dems are about to lose the senate.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Not surprised a partisan hack thinks dissing his president because he's of the other party is more important than standing by his CiC and country.
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You don't have to be a "partisan hack" or from the other party to realize that Obama is a disaster to for this country. Just a few brain cells will do.
 
Even the most fanatic leftist butt boys in President Limpwrist's rear guard are having a hell of a time covering up this gaffe.
 
Such as when 22 TEA-party rebels sabotaged their own Speaker and blew our last best chance at a grand-bargain?
Are those the brain cells missing you're referring to?
We'd be balanced by now if the GOP imploders weren't so unbalanced.

I pray every night that Rep. Ryan is successful in getting this House in order next year as the incoming Ways and Means chair .
Anthony60 said:
You don't have to be a "partisan hack" or from the other party to realize that Obama is a disaster to for this country. Just a few brain cells will do.
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Not at all.
The GOP is no longer deserving of intel since they tattle-tale to the World on the President and cut him off at the knees.
matchlight said:
Even the most fanatic leftist butt boys in President Limpwrist's rear guard are having a hell of a time covering up this gaffe.
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And just look at how your GOP handled intel last decade ?
 
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And I don't expect him to ever give it to the press again.
So they can tell the world that we are flying manned and unmanned flights over Syria.
tech30528 said:
I don't have a plan either, but then I didn't run for and be elected President. I expect him to have a plan.
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In case you hadn't notice, we're still at WAR with terrorists, terrorists emboldened by the buffoon bragging "Bring It On".
 
Mustachio said:
You mean he's going to actually think about what to do next? That's outrageous! Boy do I miss the days when we had a real American president who would take drastic, irreversible action that led to the death of many, many Americans without having to stop and consider alternative plans. Obama has proven himself incompetent here by refusing to put our military in harm's way at the drop of a hat because there are a lot of conservatives who hate him and see this (and anything else) as another reason to hate him more.
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Nope, not what I mean at all. He's not going to think, he is lost. Don't worry, he's not impressing anyone that has a clue.
 
NIMBY said:
Not at all.
The GOP is no longer deserving of intel since they tattle-tale to the World on the President and cut him off at the knees.

And just look at how your GOP handled intel last decade ?
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Don't look like Egypt, The Saud, and the UAE are talking about Republicans.



Saudi and UAE leaders in particular have expressed concern that Washington can no longer be counted on, citing US diplomatic overtures to Iran and a cautious approach to the Syrian conflict. "The lesson of Syria still resonates... that you cannot depend on America or the West... America is no longer reliable," says Abdulla.....snip~

Libya air strikes show UAE willing to 'go it alone'
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
He has a plan: not really getting involved, which is supported by a war tired American populace.

I'm not sure why you think America needs to be the world police, running into every conflict with a direct action "plan", but that's not our ****ing jobs. Why don't we focus on rebuilding America before we try to force democracy on another country that doesn't want it?
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Love that old saw, we have to rebuild at home! We need a leader that can take action as needed, not one that is caught by surprise every time a crisis occurs.
 
MMC said:
Don't look like Egypt, The Saud, and the UAE are talking about Republicans.



Saudi and UAE leaders in particular have expressed concern that Washington can no longer be counted on, citing US diplomatic overtures to Iran and a cautious approach to the Syrian conflict. "The lesson of Syria still resonates... that you cannot depend on America or the West... America is no longer reliable," says Abdulla.....snip~

Libya air strikes show UAE willing to 'go it alone'
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It's about time someone other than the USA got off their scared asses.
Did you notice that Cameron actually got his head out of his ass long enough to use the word "appease" today.

As for the Saud you're so impressed with for damning Obama as you say, who do you think is funding ISIL ?
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
It's easy to criticize. Any armchair general can do it. I notice you have no solutions. Typical.

I can assure you there is a lot going on behind the scenes that we aren't aware of. In fact saying there is no plan is probably a strategy to lull our enemies into a false sense of complacency. It wouldn't be the first time this and other presidents have done that and then come down like a hammer.

I think we've been showing our hand too much anyway.
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Thanks for the assurance, do you have some inside connection to the White House that gives you this information? Because by all indications, Obama is completely incompetent and a danger to the american people. Sorry, but this guy isn't faking it.
 
Anthony60 said:
Nope, not what I mean at all. He's not going to think, he is lost. Don't worry, he's not impressing anyone that has a clue.
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There's this kind of stupidity that's infected so many Americans because of the internet and the digital age. We expect immediate action in response to any drastic situation that's caused anger or outrage. Shirley Sherrod said something racist? She must be fired! ISIS is a major threat?! Bomb them sky high tomorrow!

The best course of action is considering all options and then doing the smart thing, not taking stupid but immediate action because there's some angry guy on the internet who's saying "won't somebody think of the children?!"
 
NIMBY said:
It's about time someone other than the USA got off their scared asses.
Did you notice that Cameron actually got his head out of his ass long enough to use the word "appease" today.

As for the Saud you're so impressed with for damning Obama as you say, who do you think is funding ISIL ?
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You really do need to read up some International Politics to think I am impressed with the Saud. :roll:

I think the Kurds standing up all along have shown they are our ally. That they can be trusted. Showed there was someone there to jump on it. They just need to be able to get in range. So they need heavy weapons to do so.

ISIL is worth 2 Billion Nimby. They make millions off of the black market selling Oil for 30 dollars a barrel US. They have been collecting ransoms from the Europeans for some time now. Which doesn't count the banks they have taken either.

Oh, and Qatar and Pakistan are two doing funding.
 
MMC said:
You really do need to read up some International Politics to think I am impressed with the Saud
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Spare dp with what we need to read up on.

I think the Kurds standing up all along have shown they are our ally. That they can be trusted. Showed there was someone there to jump on it. They just need to be able to get in range. So they need heavy weapons to do so.
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Good thing the President bombed ISIL at the dam and Irkut huh?
And too bad Biden wasn't listened to with his solution .
 
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Texmex said:
We know what he right-wingers here will do, there're doing it, Criticize Obama regardless of what he does.

I am glad to see someone who thinks before he acts, unlike Dubya.
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I'm just rather confused by it honestly. Nobody has a better solution, and what Obama is doing is rather reasonable. I for one don't want to reinvade Iraq, but the war monkeys around here seem to.

MMC said:
Heya RA. :2wave: Well some in the military can put together the basics of a strategy.....you didn't actually think they would have any trouble coming up with some plans, did you?. Which could be in the form of using others and including covert ops.

Do you think Air Strikes should just be surgical with an Advancing fighting army? If you are going to use Air Strikes on such an Army. Shouldn't one be taking out As many of that Army they can and not just look to hold them up? or make a strike with a small scalpel. One is using resources as is.....Correct?

Think non stop Strikes looking to target ALL of the Advancing Army, is more effective and more of morale breaker for the Terrorists?
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From what I understand we have committed air strikes and special operations. [1] Allegedly we've reformed Task Force Black from the Iraq war, which is a joint task force with the Brits to be a general nuisance to ISIS.
CIA + Special Ops + Air strikes = Effectiveness for cheap.

Recently they helped protect and evacuate Yazidi civilians.
US troops land on Iraq's Mt Sinjar to plan for Yazidi evacuation | World news | theguardian.com

I just see no other reason to get involved. It seems like people have forgotten how bloody, costly, and ineffective it has been in Iraq and Afghanistan to have ground troops on every streetcorner and mountain top

mac said:
I want us there as long as it takes....like we did in Europe.



Then you haven't been listening. I would establish a persistant force in Iraq...preferably a UN force, but if not, a US force....much like we did in Europe and Japan post WWII and follow it with an Iraqi version of the Marshall plan.



We have committed ground troops. There are US "boots on the ground".
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LOL. You're one of the John McCain "We'll stay for 99 years if we have to" types. War hawks like yourself can't be reasoned with. Must be easy as **** to demand action from your armchair.

When the entire middle east is ridden of violence and is a peaceful democracy, then mac declares our soldiers may come home. :lamo

Anthony60 said:
Love that old saw, we have to rebuild at home! We need a leader that can take action as needed, not one that is caught by surprise every time a crisis occurs.
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He's presented his decisive plan: CIA + Special Ops + Drone strikes. How is that not a plan? This is happening right now, but because he didn't present it to YOU on American TV he must not have a plan. You do realize he doesn't run his decisions by you first, right?

And you've still refused to tell us what YOUR master plan is.
 
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RabidAlpaca said:
I'm just rather confused by it honestly. Nobody has a better solution, and what Obama is doing is rather reasonable. I for one don't want to reinvade Iraq, but the war monkeys around here seem to.
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What did you think of PM Cameron's comments today?
 
grip said:
In WWII we executed 120,000+ in one stroke with 2 A-bombs. Evil in your terms is relative.
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Your analogy is incorrect but, in any case, evil acts do not depend on numbers.

Your 'Blame America First' excuse, and that of your predictable 'liker', is duly noted.
 
NIMBY said:
I'd rather have the President not tell the press or GOP anything about what he is thinking and planning.

We saw the NYT tell the World we were flying manned and unmanned flights over Syria.

These folks seem to forget we are still at WAR .
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He said was he was thinking and planning. Nada!
 
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Napoleon said:
The fact is that there isn't anything the U.S. and it's allies can do to effectively put an end to ISIS short of an all out invasion of Syria and a reoccupation of Iraq. Even then, like Al Qaeda, it's unlikely they will ever really be defeated. The removal of Saddam Hussein was one of the worst foreign policy/military decisions in this country's history and now we're going to have to pay the price for it. The only question the Obama administration needs to decide is how high that price will be. If there is no strategy yet it's because it hasn't been decided who will share in that burden with us and how.

No one could have predicted that ISIS would gain the traction it has and no one could have predicted that the Iraqi army would hand over vast swaths of their country without a fight. For example, no one foresaw 30,000 heavily armed and American trained Iraqi troops abandoning their posts and weaponry then fleeing from only 500 lightly armed terrorists on the outskirts of Mosul. There is only one possible even remotely effective course of action which I noted above and I'm glad we have a President who is going to think long and hard about it this time around instead of throwing resources and lives away without a plan. What we don't need is more war hawk knee-jerk reactionism.
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In fact what happened was predicted by many, including the Mitt Romney during the last Presidential campaign when Obama was saying (though later claiming it wasn't his idea!) that he would pull all the troops from Iraq.. If Obama is thinking long and hard about anything it is probably related to his golf game or Michelle.
This is Romney here:
“Yeah. A couple of things. One, you probably know that it is my view that the withdrawal of all of our troops from Iraq by the end of this year is an enormous mistake and a failing by the Obama administration. Secretary Panetta and others had indicated they were working to put in place a Status of Forces Agreement to maintain our presence there, so that we could most effectively transition to the Iraqi military and Iraqi security forces providing security for their country.
The precipitous withdrawal is unfortunate. It’s more than unfortunate. I think it’s tragic. It puts at risk many of the victories that were hard-won by the men and women who have served there. I hope the risk is not realized. I hope instead that the Iraqis are able to pick up the baton, and despite the fact that we will have walked away on a too-rapid basis.”
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Karl said:
Pretty much any time I tune into right wing media or listen to their minions.

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Your attempted strawman would seem to be an attempt to deflect from clearly observable fact. In any case, any sympathy should be directed at the haters since they are the ones with the shortcomings in the human development department.
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Your claiming anyone "hates" Obama is silly. That he is called incompetent, not very bright, out of is depth, narcissistic, a liar, naive, etc. is undeniable. But no one of any stature actually "hates' him. You're just trying to get sympathy for the fool.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
No it doesn't. Obama is weighing all the options. Hence no quick decisions.
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He doesn't yet have a strategy on which he can make a decision. Strategies, exigency plans, possibilities on how to react to different situations, etc., should have been in place years ago, as has always been the case in the past. That's why these expert planners and advisers are hired.
 
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