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Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria [W:446]

Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

CanadaJohn said:
Well, if you consider being right from Russia's perspective only. With Syria now a snake pit of competing interests and the birthplace of a radical islamic caliphate, Russia now sees the US occupied by a hornets nest of their own making leaving Russia relatively free to cause havoc in their sphere of influence. But from everyone else's perspective, had the US and western allies gotten involved in Syria when the students first started their protest, before all the bad actors around the middle east flooded in, there likely would not be an ISIS to be concerned about now.
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There has been covert US support in Syria from the beginning. Had the US and other regional states not injected themselves, president Assad would have put the insurrection down early on, there wouldn't be 160,000 dead civilians and IS wouldn't have found the blossoming room that they did. And further, IS got its start in Iraq, another place that the US created a power vacuum in, so they WOULD still exist, but not likely as powerful as they are at present.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

Montecresto said:
There has been covert US support in Syria from the beginning. Had the US and other regional states not injected themselves, president Assad would have put the insurrection down early on, there wouldn't be 160,000 dead civilians and IS wouldn't have found the blossoming room that they did. And further, IS got its start in Iraq, another place that the US created a power vacuum in, so they WOULD still exist, but not likely as powerful as they are at present.
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Actually, ISIS got its start in Syria, made up in large part by Sunni Iraqis who went into Syria to join the fight. Once formed, they decided to spread their good cheer back into a weakly led Iraq and onward to other likely weak sisters of the middle east.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

RabidAlpaca said:
And what exactly is your master plan? Keep in mind it needs to be more detailed than: KILL EM ALL!

"Staying the **** out of it" IS a plan, and it's the plan most Americans want.
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False.

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Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

CanadaJohn said:
Actually, ISIS got its start in Syria, made up in large part by Sunni Iraqis who went into Syria to join the fight. Once formed, they decided to spread their good cheer back into a weakly led Iraq and onward to other likely weak sisters of the middle east.
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Um, NO!

Initially centered on Iraq and known as the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI), ISIS added the second S for Syria to its name as that nation's civil war erupted several years ago, according to Aaron Y. Zelin of the Washington Institute.

That once-peripheral figure has become known to the world now as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the self-appointed caliph of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria and the architect of its violent campaign to redraw the map of the Middle East.

“He was a street thug when we picked him up in 2004,” said a Pentagon official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters. “It’s hard to imagine we could have had a crystal ball then that would tell us he’d become head of ISIS.”

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At every turn, Mr. Baghdadi’s rise has been shaped by the United States’ involvement in Iraq — most of the political changes that fueled his fight, or led to his promotion, were born directly from some American action. And now he has forced a new chapter of that intervention, after ISIS’ military successes and brutal massacres of minorities in its advance prompted President Obama to order airstrikes in Iraq.

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jet57 said:
Yeah, I think they're moving things around right now and don't want to telegraph their punch.
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Any action by the US has to be in response to direct aggression with a planned objective. Right now, I'm not sure what the objective would be, short of trying to diminish the power and control of ISIS, but because they're made up of indigenous people, it might impossible to completely wipe them out. Super powers don't have a great history of winning 'limited' wars against a countries people within their own borders.


CanadaJohn said:
So the proper, reasoned response would have been "we are working on several scenarios at this point in time, none of which are currently actionable as we speak".
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He probably believes people already knew that much. He was really announcing that he's not ready to act on any plans as of yet, I think?
 
grip said:
He probably believes people already knew that much. He was really announcing that he's not ready to act on any plans as of yet, I think?
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Barrack Obama has been getting the benefit of any doubt since he was elected the first time. Perhaps it's pride, or stubbornness, or plain party loyalty, that many can't admit they elected Chance the Gardener as President.
 
Grant said:
Barrack Obama has been getting the benefit of any doubt since he was elected the first time. Perhaps it's pride, or stubbornness, or plain party loyalty, that many can't admit they elected Chance the Gardener as President.
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Not the President, nor any part of the gov't will announce to the Media prior to an attack. They're probably moving assets into place that will work with those already there before launching any coordinated offensive.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

jmotivator said:
False.

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That's airstrikes. That's not really getting involved. We do air strikes all over the place, like Yemen.

Seeing as how that's kind of Obama's plan, what is your issue with it? How is that not a plan? You could possibly argue it's a bad plan, but not that it's no plan.

mac said:
It may be the plan most Americans want, but I guarantee you that that plan will not help make anything better.
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Oh, well please, tell me how the past 10 years of American military presence has improved the situation in the Iraq/Syria region.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

RabidAlpaca said:
That's airstrikes. That's not really getting involved..
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... in the same way Japan didn't really get involved with Pearl Harbor?
 
Anthony60 said:
Obama under fire for admitting no 'strategy yet' for ISIS in Syria | Fox News

Is anyone surprised? This is what you get when you put a completely unqualified community organized in office as president.
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1.Hopefully that means we are going to stay out of Syria.

2.If the president did have a strategy then why on God's green earth would you want him announcing it? You are aware that ISIS know how to use computers and watch these rectangular things called televisions?
 
jamesrage said:
1.Hopefully that means we are going to stay out of Syria.

2.If the president did have a strategy then why on God's green earth would you want him announcing it? You are aware that ISIS know how to use computers and watch these rectangular things called televisions?
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That makes perfect sense. With any other president.

I honestly expect very little. Obama just wants to pass the baton off to the next president. This is way harder and ickier than what he signed up for.
 
Erod said:
That makes perfect sense. With any other president.

I honestly expect very little. Obama just wants to pass the baton off to the next president. This is way harder and ickier than what he signed up for.
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I Obama just wants to keep Americans out of another war. This is why that crossing of red line in the sand a year or so ago was ignored.This is why only token sanctions were imposed on Russia over Ukraine despite those like John McCain and other **** sucking neocons with their lips firmly wrapped around the cocks of the military industrial complex practically screaming for war or how we got to arm this group or that group.
 
grip said:
Not the President, nor any part of the gov't will announce to the Media prior to an attack. They're probably moving assets into place that will work with those already there before launching any coordinated offensive.
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But Obama has often been announcing military plans. He has given dates when he would withdraw troops from both Iraq and Afghanistan, or example.

I just googled 'Obama limited air strikes' and got these results. https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourcei...-8#q=obama+limited+airstrikes&spell=1&tbm=nws

Perhaps these incoherent messages are designed to confuse the enemy but they are confusing any remaining Allies and the American people as well.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

RabidAlpaca said:
That's airstrikes. That's not really getting involved. We do air strikes all over the place, like Yemen.
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Perhaps that explains their ineffectiveness.

Seeing as how that's kind of Obama's plan, what is your issue with it? How is that not a plan? You could possibly argue it's a bad plan, but not that it's no plan.
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Obama has already said he doesn't have a plan, which leaves little room for debate.
 
Grant said:
But Obama has often been announcing military plans. He has given dates when he would withdraw troops from both Iraq and Afghanistan, or example.

I just googled 'Obama limited air strikes' and got these results. https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourcei...-8#q=obama+limited+airstrikes&spell=1&tbm=nws

Perhaps these incoherent messages are designed to confuse the enemy but they are confusing any remaining Allies and the American people as well.
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LOL....yes, that's it, he's purposely confusing enemies and allies alike to keep them all inline.
If the US knew what it was always doing, they would've never invaded Iraq in the first place. ;)
 
grip said:
LOL....yes, that's it, he's purposely confusing enemies and allies alike to keep them all inline.
If the US knew what it was always doing, they would've never invaded Iraq in the first place. ;)
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Or would have handled the post war strategy differently.

There is a battle going on, once again, between good evil in this war weary world and again I support the US and their Allies in their efforts. But damn, there are times when they can be exasperating.
 
Erod said:
That makes perfect sense. With any other president.

I honestly expect very little. Obama just wants to pass the baton off to the next president. This is way harder and ickier than what he signed up for.
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He helped create this mess, so its worse then that.
 
Grant said:
Or would have handled the post war strategy differently.

There is a battle going on, once again, between good evil in this war weary world and again I support the US and their Allies in their efforts. But damn, there are times when they can be exasperating.
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I would've pulled the troops out, eventually. There was no way of knowing what would happen with 100% certainty.

Unfortunately, the longer we wait, the stronger ISIS will become.

Evil vs Good? And we're good? I don't see things in those terms. It's a battle of ideologies and I prefer the Western version.
 
jamesrage said:
I Obama just wants to keep Americans out of another war. This is why that crossing of red line in the sand a year or so ago was ignored.This is why only token sanctions were imposed on Russia over Ukraine despite those like John McCain and other **** sucking neocons with their lips firmly wrapped around the cocks of the military industrial complex practically screaming for war or how we got to arm this group or that group.
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Actually Jamesrage, it wasn't ignored, he gets the bad rap on that for declaring a red line, and that's it. He has been there all along covertly. Sorry to be redundant but, three times Hillary was sent to the UN, and all three times Russia and China denied the requested resolution for use of force. The UK parliament pulled British support for any use of force, you may recall that Obama failed to secure any congressional approval as well, and then there was that 70% of Americans unwilling to engage our military.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Makes sense to me. You whack Isis and it's to Assad's advantage. You whack Assad and it's to Isis' aadvantage.

No quick fixes here.

What does make sense is to let them keep killing each other off in Syria which is to our advantage.

Obama unlike Dumbya actually think things through and the long range implications.
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Yeah... No, I'm not going for him being brilliant here, since he has never been before. More of a deer in the headlights, that's one he has done a lot of.
 
Re: Obama has no strategy yet for dealing with ISIS.

RabidAlpaca said:
He has a plan: not really getting involved, which is supported by a war tired American populace.

I'm not sure why you think America needs to be the world police, running into every conflict with a direct action "plan", but that's not our ****ing jobs. Why don't we focus on rebuilding America before we try to force democracy on another country that doesn't want it?
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And where did I say anything about being the world police? I'm not sure why you think I think that. But for the record, staying out of it would be a plan. He was specific. He has no plan.
 
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