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Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

Geezus how did this thread get so terribly derailed? I feel like I'm in the Bias in the Media section.

BACK TO THE OP:

Interesting and scary at the same time. It has to be unsustainable, first off - and it just to me isn't good that so many rely on the government in some way. This is a grand country with so much opportunity. If you're young and healthy, find it.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Well, yeah. The reason I bring it up is because for some reason you're defending Fox when no one ever said anything about any other news org, as though it's any better.
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Fox News is not any better. But you are practicing a well known tactic called 'shooting the messenger' when you blame the source of the story and don't address the content of the story. Fox News is not to blame for high numbers of people all over the nation receiving welfare benefits of some kind.
 
Jaaaman said:
Fox News is not any better. But you are practicing a well known tactic called 'shooting the messenger' when you blame the source of the story and don't address the content of the story. Fox News is not to blame for high numbers of people all over the nation receiving welfare benefits of some kind.
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Er, I think you're getting people mixed up here. My first post, on page one, does nothing of the kind. The rest are to you, and why you got a bug up you when someone mentioned the source -- one you grant is notoriously unreliable.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Er, I think you're getting people mixed up here. My first post, on page one, does nothing of the kind. The rest are to you, and why you got a bug up you when someone mentioned the source -- one you grant is notoriously unreliable.
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Then please bring other sources to the table that dispute the allegations in this story. I am not in any way a ardent defender of Fox News or it's journalistic standards.
 
tres borrachos said:
It has to be unsustainable, first off - and it just to me isn't good that so many rely on the government in some way. This is a grand country with so much opportunity. If you're young and healthy, find it.
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Do you think that this rate is due to people not looking for opportunities?
 
Jaaaman said:
Then please bring other sources to the table that dispute the allegations in this story. I am not in any way a ardent defender of Fox News or it's journalistic standards.
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I never disputed it. :lol: It's just really obvious what the tactic is here, including a bunch of stuff that even working people and the elderly get.
 
Who cares who the source is? It's data from the Census, not from Fox News.

Census data....facts are in there. Weigh in on the data and not the link in the OP.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Do you think that this rate is due to people not looking for opportunities?
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Maybe. No idea. I have seen young healthy people who would rather collect welfare and TracPhones from the government, and live in Section 8 housing, than work.
 
Fox's point is not hard to understand. Reminds me of Romney.

"You can't in the long run have a society in which you have to rely on a smaller and smaller group of wealth producers who have to support more and more people who are not contributing to that wealth," Tanner said.
 
I see the lefties are in a tizzy because the truth hurts, so they attack the messenger.

I think its bad that so many rely on the g. I think people should be more self reliant. Fox points out the problem. Libs ignore the issue, attack fox.

I despise libs
 
tres borrachos said:
Maybe. No idea. I have seen young healthy people who would rather collect welfare and TracPhones from the government, and live in Section 8 housing, than work.
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That is exactly what Fox wants the base to beleieve. Of course the Fauxites are looking for confirmation of their prejudices, so there you go. I guess I should stop and think a minute though. I beleive the last time I read it there is about 310 million Americans. If so that would mean there are 110 million Americans on Welfare. Is that true?
 
Know what confirmation bias is?
Sabanist said:
I see the lefties are in a tizzy because the truth hurts, so they attack the messenger.

I think its bad that so many rely on the g. I think people should be more self reliant. Fox points out the problem. Libs ignore the issue, attack fox.

I despise libs
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mak2 said:
That is exactly what Fox wants the base to beleieve. Of course the Fauxites are looking for confirmation of their prejudices, so there you go. I guess I should stop and think a minute though. I beleive the last time I read it there is about 310 million Americans. If so that would mean there are 110 million Americans on Welfare. Is that true?
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Stop. Talking. About. Fox.

Show me the Census data and where Fox manipulated it.
 
Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

That is Fox's headline. Reality, 4.1%. See why I say Fox lies?
tres borrachos said:
Okay but that is only a part of the data discussed in the OP.
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mak2 said:
Census figures show more than one-third of Americans receiving welfare benefits

That is Fox's headline. Reality, 4.1%. See why I say Fox lies?
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I guess you didn't actually read the link in the OP? It defines "welfare" by including many government assisted programs that weren't identified in the link you posted, which was pretty specific to welfare checks and food stamps.
 
This link suggest 81 million households in 2013 - https://www.census.gov/hhes/families/data/cps2013F.html I haven't found a 2014 report but one may well report 110 million households receiving government assistance.

This link suggests that only 30% of adults receiving government assistance have a disability - https://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/american_community_survey_acs/cb13-33.html

The graphs on this page are only through 2011, but are pretty interesting - More American Households Rely on Government Benefit Programs - U.S. Census Bureau

I would echo another post that suggest the war on poverty is not working. In fact I would argue that much of the poverty and crime ridden public housing is the result of the war on poverty. If able bodied individuals were motivated to find and maintain employment they would have move self esteem and less time for mischief. If they were motivated to find and maintain employment at least some would see the light at the end of the tunnel and become contributors to a more vibrant economy because of their labor and intellect and maybe, just maybe the size and crime status of public housing would diminish.
 
Yes, but the headline says welfare but includes everything including the VA. Dishonest.
tres borrachos said:
I guess you didn't actually read the link in the OP? It defines "welfare" by including many government assisted programs that weren't identified in the link you posted, which was pretty specific to welfare checks and food stamps.
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mak2 said:
Yes, but the headline says welfare but includes everything including the VA. Dishonest.
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Look at the third link, "More American Households Rely on Government Benefit Programs - U.S. Census Bureau" and you'll see that VA compensation in 2011 was only 1%. Maybe it is honest.
 
Look at the headlin. 33% of Americans on welfare. It says what it says. Course the real figure is under 5%. But yea, close enough for Fox.
Stoney said:
Look at the third link, "More American Households Rely on Government Benefit Programs - U.S. Census Bureau" and you'll see that VA compensation in 2011 was only 1%. Maybe it is honest.
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mak2 said:
Welfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Welfare is the provision of a minimal level of well-being and social support for all citizens, sometimes referred to as public aid.

Fox is playing to its base with the 33% of mericans are takers, blah blah blah.
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Great. But this thread isn't about Fox.

You disagree with the definition of "welfare" in the link in the OP. That's all you had to say.

By the way, I disagree with the people who call tax cuts and tax subsidies for corporations "corporate welfare", I'll direct them back to your post when they make that stupid mistake.
 
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