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Ukraine accuses Russia of launching invasion

No, it is not that simple. You are ignoring the very real compromise of varying degrees of local autonomy. The Ukrainians have already promised that governors will be elected rather than appointed- thus assuring that local governors have local accents, mannerisms and cultural understandings. Prior to the arrival of the Russian volunteers, most locals did not want anchluss with Russia per se.
What you are confusing is what you perceive from your own ears and eyes vs a person like me who spent years worth in Northern Ireland, have family there, visit family there regularly, parents were from there and I myself lived in the Republic for a few years myself. I can tell a difference in dialect and so can UK Government and the EU. ;) Hell in the Good Friday Agreement they recognize the difference. So before you go and tell me you can't tell the differences between groups, think about people who've lived there for years.
Is there any chance that not all irish and ulster scots speak in distinct dialects? Strangely, this person says that he cant tell irish from ulster scot based on accent- why would he claim such "nonsense"?

What are the differences between the way Catholics and Protestants speak English in Northern Ireland? - Quora

So, though I have never been to northeren Ireland, my guess is that no, it is not always possible to pick out ulster scots and irish based solely on their accents.

Dont get me wrong, I am sure there are some Ulster scots and Irish who strongly identify with their religion, speak in distinct accents, always wear distinct clothing, never leave a secterian area, and never assosciate with anybody not of their sect etc.

There are probably other people though, where the outward differences are not so dinstict. It might not always possible to tell who is who at a glance. For example, even an expert might not have been able to have walked down that street in Omagh before the bombing (both catholics and protestants killed) and picked the protestants from the catholics by glancing at them, or by listening to them speak.

It seems to be he same situation in east Ukraine. Some people are distinct, some not so distinct.
Ukrainians and Russia share the same royal family until 1917 (Bolshevik revolution). Before 1922 Ukraine didn't have a national identity, rather it was land that was split between Poland, Russia and left overs of the Austro-Hungarian empire. The Bolsheviks created a Ukrainization policy to help spread communism in the area. Russian immigrated the the area of Donbas long before 1890s. Donbas and as far as Odessa was known as Novorossiya (New Russia) and was formed in 1764 after the Russians pushed the Turks out of the area.
When Russia gained control of the area, and named it NovoRossya, it does not mean the areas had large Russian populations. Britain named an Island in the Pacific "New Britain" as well. That does not mean there were alot of Britains there.

In the case of Ukraine, yes, an ethnic Russian population did exist prior to 1890. Industrialization in the 1890s and communism greatly increased that population. The Soviets had a policy of Russification where ethnic Russians (more pro Soviet) were encouraged to move to, or were transfered to other republics. This greatly increased the numbers of ethnic Russians in east Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Tandinistra, Karelia, Latvia, Lithuania and espescially Estonia (ethnic Russians eventually outnumbered native Estonians).

Poland also did not exist for centuries, had the same royal family as Russians, yet nobody would think the Poles and Russians are a single people

Physically, no, as they are white but genetically you can. Irish have some of the highest rates of haplogroup 1 gene in Europe and are more closely related to Basque people. Irish settled part of Scotland between 400-800 AD so there is some over lap but the levels drop off dramatically with Scots and English.

DNA hapalong groups have no bearing on how people percieve themselves. For example, Croats and Serbs may well be close genetically- but they perceive themselves as very seperate peoples.
The goal should be a long term solution. Not a half-assed that leads to wars later.

Though I have never to been to northren Ireland, I bet most people living there prefer the results "half assed" peace agreement- how ever imperfect it maybe, to say, the conditions of 1975 and 1980.
 
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By the way.. two things before I finish out this part.. 1) I think wanting to be part of Russia or have your own country is a MAJOR difference, just as wanting to be part of the Republic of Ireland is a major difference then being part of the United Kingdom.

No, it is not that simple. You are ignoring the very real compromise of varying degrees of local autonomy. The Ukrainians have already promised that governors will be elected rather than appointed- thus assuring that local governors have local accents, mannerisms and cultural understandings. Prior to the arrival of the Russian volunteers, most locals did not want anchluss with Russia per se
 
No, it is not that simple. You are ignoring the very real compromise of varying degrees of local autonomy. The Ukrainians have already promised that governors will be elected rather than appointed- thus assuring that local governors have local accents, mannerisms and cultural understandings. Prior to the arrival of the Russian volunteers, most locals did not want anchluss with Russia per se.

Sorry for the late response.. stuff going on that didn't allow my full attention.

There has never been a real compromise of varying degrees of local autonomy, in Ukraine or Northern Ireland. Also, Ukraine blew that out of the water once it bombed Civilian populations.

Is there any chance that not all irish and ulster scots speak in distinct dialects? Strangely, this person says that he cant tell irish from ulster scot based on accent- why would he claim such "nonsense"? So, though I have never been to northeren Ireland, my guess is that no, it is not always possible to pick out ulster scots and irish based solely on their accents.

Quora as your proof is pretty bad. Northern Ireland education is still pretty inclusive. Protestants went to Protestant schools, Catholics went to Catholic schools. You learn your language abilities in school and at home so you become very isolated. All you have to do is look at the US, you can spot a person from NYC born and raised vs a person born and raised in Boston.


Dont get me wrong, I am sure there are some Ulster scots and Irish who strongly identify with their religion, speak in distinct accents, always wear distinct clothing, never leave a secterian area, and never assosciate with anybody not of their sect etc.

Read above.


There are probably other people though, where the outward differences are not so dinstict. It might not always possible to tell who is who at a glance. For example, even an expert might not have been able to have walked down that street in Omagh before the bombing (both catholics and protestants killed) and picked the protestants from the catholics by glancing at them, or by listening to them speak.

Omagh was a catholic community and a massive mistake at the fault of UK, US and Republic of Ireland Governments. As all three had agents involved in the bombing. From stealing the car used in the bombing to the man who provided the material for the bombing. All 3 decided to protect assets instead of innocent people. The agents involved were David Rupert and Paddy Dixon.

When Russia gained control of the area, and named it NovoRossya, it does not mean the areas had large Russian populations. Britain named an Island in the Pacific "New Britain" as well. That does not mean there were alot of Britains there.

This is an assumption, Novorossiya was the name of the region dating back to 1764 when the Russian's conquered it.

In the case of Ukraine, yes, an ethnic Russian population did exist prior to 1890. Industrialization in the 1890s and communism greatly increased that population. The Soviets had a policy of Russification where ethnic Russians (more pro Soviet) were encouraged to move to, or were transfered to other republics. This greatly increased the numbers of ethnic Russians in east Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Tandinistra, Karelia, Latvia, Lithuania and espescially Estonia (ethnic Russians eventually outnumbered native Estonians).

This is also false. Novorossiya was known as the wild fields. . Basically it was an unsettled area. Owned by various empires and never Ukrainian.

Poland also did not exist for centuries, had the same royal family as Russians, yet nobody would think the Poles and Russians are a single people

LOL. Poland is, like Russian and Ukrainian people are Slavs. Poland has existed since (in our sense) the 10th century under Piast Dynasty.





DNA hapalong groups have no bearing on how people percieve themselves. For example, Croats and Serbs may well be close genetically- but they perceive themselves as very seperate peoples.

Very true. But yet you won't recognized separatist in Eastern Ukraine as a separate people. See the problem with your answer?


Though I have never to been to northren Ireland, I bet most people living there prefer the results "half assed" peace agreement- how ever imperfect it maybe, to say, the conditions of 1975 and 1980.

LOL!! You do realize nothing has changed there. That while the violence is down (and that's a good thing) but Republicanism doesn't see GFA as the final act but rather are pushing for a United Ireland and are using the ballot box to achieve it's goals today. Much like those in Crimea, NovoRossiya.
 
Whenever reason comes back to him.

Further, Ukraine choose the EU/US, and there is nothing what Russia has to cry about that.

Lol, that's some response.
 
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