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9 year old girl kills instructor accidentally with UZI

Handing an uzi to a 9-year old with no shooting experience is like handing a Learjet to a 9-year old with no flying experience.

Blue_State said:
Sad events like this are just sad. No political debate should come of it, but it will.
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Why are guns the one topic that we're not allowed to discuss after a bad event? When the levees broke in New Orleans, nobody said "NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT FLOOD PROTECTION." After 9/11, not one person said "NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT AIRPORT SECURITY."

This is exactly the time you talk about guns. A bad thing happened. What can we do to reduce the risk of a similar incident? That's how rational, intelligent beings operate. They observe their surroundings, they observe events, and they alter their behavior going forward based on that. Even a freaking rat can learn from its experiences. Maybe talking about this is what makes some other gun range instructor think "You know, I've been letting little kids handle powerful weapons... maybe I should consider NOT DOING THAT."
 
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tres borrachos said:
I'm sure there's someone who's interested in criticizing the dead man's actions. That person isn't me.
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When somebody does something stupid that results in tragedy, I feel comfortable criticizing that action.

If the guy had driven his car into a lake because the ice was too thin and killed his own kid as a result, I bet you'd criticize his actions. But he used a gun and killed himself, so it's off limits to talk about?
 
Deuce said:
When somebody does something stupid that results in tragedy, I feel comfortable criticizing that action.

If the guy had driven his car into a lake because the ice was too thin and killed his own kid as a result, I bet you'd criticize his actions. But he used a gun and killed himself, so it's off limits to talk about?
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That's nice. Then you discuss with the poster who quoted me. I have no interest in discussing it with you, either.
 
responsible gun owners lol
 
tres borrachos said:
I'm sure there's someone who's interested in criticizing the dead man's actions. That person isn't me.
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We're talking about responsibility not criticism. He was irresponsible in his actions, actions that ended in tragedy. The parents were idiots for wanting their 9 yo shoot an Uzi as an instructor it was his responsibility to refuse to comply with their idiotic wishes and inform them why they were idiotic. Do I feel bad that the guy is dead, sure.
 
I havent watched it but im just glad the little girl didnt get hurt instead.

1) why is a child shooting an uzi.

2) why wouldnt you have your hand with the weight of your arm down on the uzi to prevent kickback, if for some reason a kid was firing an uzi.

I think with childrens firearm safety programs the teachers should have to keep their hand on the gun at all times (at least for the introduction periods and assesment) , assuming the gun is safe at all for the child to fire.
 
SoccerKid said:
responsible gun owners lol
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I hear you man.

Its like a contradiction in terms.

Because you CAN'T be a gun owner AND be responsible. Its impossible, right ?


The act of ownership of a gun IS irresponsible, right ?

So what do you think we should do ?

Forced Door to door gun collections ?
 
Fenton said:
I hear you man.

Its like a contradiction in terms.

Because you CAN'T be a gun owner AND be responsible. Its impossible, right ?


The act of ownership of a gun IS irresponsible, right ?

So what do you think we should do ?

Forced Door to door gun collections ?
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Are you kidding? We should have armor piercing rounds for everyone. Everyone should be forced to wear a firearm including kids starting in kindergarten. There should be no limits when it comes to the 2nd amendment.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Are you kidding? We should have armor piercing rounds for everyone. Everyone should be forced to wear a firearm including kids starting in kindergarten. There should be no limits when it comes to the 2nd amendment.
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Screw the Second amendment.

I mean did you read that post ? The one that inferred that Gun ownership in itself was irresponsible ?

It was brilliant !
 
The NO Responsibility Anals should be sued to pay for this girl's counselors and mental health issues for the rest of her life.
Good luck to the Educators who will be dealing with the fall-out for this 9-YO girl when she returns to taunts and bullying at school .
 
Fenton said:
I hear you man.

Its like a contradiction in terms.

Because you CAN'T be a gun owner AND be responsible. Its impossible, right ?


The act of ownership of a gun IS irresponsible, right ?

So what do you think we should do ?

Forced Door to door gun collections ?
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Hyperbole on steroids!
 
May the instructor rest in peace.

What in the heck were those parents thinking letting their
daughter use powerful weapons? For what purpose, people
don't hunt with that type of gun? Now they have to deal
with the damage they did to her, and they themselves need
therapy for their horrible decision making.
 
Fenton said:
Screw the Second amendment.

I mean did you read that post ? The one that inferred that Gun ownership in itself was irresponsible ?

It was brilliant !
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No it wasn't.
 
Meadowlark said:
May the instructor rest in peace.

What in the heck were those parents thinking letting their
daughter use powerful weapons? For what purpose, people
don't hunt with that type of gun? Now they have to deal
with the damage they did to her, and they themselves need
therapy for their horrible decision making.
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He'll be more peaceful than the child he set up for failure.
 
Like many disasters, this was a series of failures. If I was her parent, no way on freakin' Earth is my daughter going to have an automatic weapon in her hand until she has been trained properly and has demonstrated she can handle it. Obviously, the decision to click it over to full auto is a crazy act by the instructor. Absolutely no safety precautions that I can see were taken. If a nine year old is shooting an uzi on full auto, you might want the gun restricted so that it can only be aimed down range. One failure after another.
 
rcart76 said:
Exactly. You can't put this on the instructor completely, the parent ultimately were the ones who made the call.
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Well his death is pretty much his own fault. In video shown on our local news, you see her make the first shot, then he sets her up for semi-auto fire, but doesnt maintain control of the weapon. He holds her arms, not the weapon. Bad decision. The gun goes sideways, straight at his head.
 
HonestJoe said:
I think there is legitimate scope for some debate about training of instructors and rules around young children using guns. You'd be setting a dangerous president if any incident involving firearms is automatically closed down for discussion. Obviously the stupid generalist rants (from all sides) about guns are a waste of time but that doesn't mean there aren't elements that are worthy of intelligent discussion. The only question is whether anyone relevant is capable of it.
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You may have a point because, since he did not maintain control of the gun, it could have hit someone else instead.

OTOH I dont know what kind of training he had and what the range required for that circumstance. Maybe he just disregarded or forgot.
 
tres borrachos said:
Exactly my thoughts. Her parents were responsible for her, not the instructor. Nobody in their right mind would encourage a 9 year old to shoot an Uzi. It's a long way from that to a small pistol.

Her life is forever going to be scarred by this incident. I feel terrible for her and for the family of the instructor who was killed.
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The instructor was responsible for the safety of himself, the kid, and everyone else at the range. The way he handled it....she could just as easily killed someone else there or possibly herself. He made the mistake and he paid for it.

Poor kid.
 
Gathomas88 said:
He should have helped to hold her wrists at the very least. It was idiotic to turn her over with the weapon on her own.
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His hands needed to be on the weapon. They were on her arms.
 
Lursa said:
It was a mistake. But one that cost him his life.
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Heavy machinery, explosives, chain saws, airplanes, motorboats, firearms. Some jobs don't allow you to make mistakes, so they require a higher degree of discipline from the people who have to perform them.
First thing I thought to myself when I saw the video was "what the hell is his head doing so close to the line of fire?". But then again, a company that offers 9-year olds shooting lessons, not as a serious skill that takes years to develop and maintain, but for 10 minutes of entertaniment, doesn't exactly seem like a serious, well-disciplined organization to me.
 
Winchester said:
We're talking about responsibility not criticism. He was irresponsible in his actions, actions that ended in tragedy. The parents were idiots for wanting their 9 yo shoot an Uzi as an instructor it was his responsibility to refuse to comply with their idiotic wishes and inform them why they were idiotic. Do I feel bad that the guy is dead, sure.
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Why was it "his responsibility" to refuse to comply? It's perfectly legal in the state of Arizona. He was a trained professional. He had probably done this before. He was an employee, not a psychiatrist.

The responsibility lay with her parents, not him. She could just have likely hurt herself.
 
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