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Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

Fenton said:
First 5 shots, Brown's still coming, 5 more shots and he's neutralized
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Obviously, you were there and saw and recorded the whole incident. :roll:
 
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Buck Ewer said:
The bullet entered the "very top of his head" and "lodged in the front portion of his brain" according to the autopsy.
Brown was well over six feet tall.
The geometry isn't all that controversial.
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Geometry, huh? Wilson is 10 feet tall. :2wave:
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

rocket88 said:
He'd also have to be pretty close to blowout Wilson's eyesocket, if indeed that's what happened.
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It didn't happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n95mxT1AkpI

Right-Wing Media Caught In Another Lie As Darren Wilson Did Not Suffer An Eye Fracture

If he was that close, why would it take 11 shots to incapacitate him? And how did he miss 5 times? I'm just saying you've got a trained shooter, close range....Brown may have been a sizeable guy, but unless his arms are freakishly long...
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We don't really know how many bullets were fired and we may never know unless a ballistic report is done and that probably won't happen unless there's a trial...or so I've been told. So we speculate....

The first shot was fired in the cruiser (verified by the Ferguson police and eye witnesses) and MB was shot 6x (verified by the autopsy) and the audio evidence shows 10 shots (not yet verified?). There could be a lot more shots fired because eye witnesses said the officer was shooting at MB while in pursuit but it looked like most of the bullets were missing him. One witness said it looked like a bullet had grazed MB's arm just before he stopped and turned around. Another said he saw something similar. The autopsy shows there were two graze wounds on MB, one on his lower right arm and the other on his right palm. When the arm is down the inside forearm and palm are angled back, so it is possible that either of those two wounds could have come from behind as MB was running. The coroner says the arm wounds are also consistent with wounds to arms held up. Really, at this point, it's anyone's guess how many bullets in total were fired from Wilson's gun.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Hay man, it was only 10 according to the wilson leg humpers, 6 hit Brown, the other 4 went into people's homes. Now, think about that for a minute.....

How many stories have we heard about people shooting guns in the streets and some of the stray bullets coming from those guns killing 9 year olds in their homes, while lying in bed.

Do we need pigs like wilson firing indiscriminately or wildly at people on the streets?
The correct answer is always NO.
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I missed the reports of the bullets inside people's homes. Considering the local outcry against Ferguson PD and Wilson, it's hard to imagine the home owners not reporting that.
 
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NonoBadDog said:
To be honest I think that DAs sometimes use a grand jury to avoid taking risks. That doesn't mean that there isn't a case. It only means that I think a DA without any balls will defer to a grand jury. In this case I think is the smart thing for a DA to do.
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What's the risk involved with telling the truth? That one of their city cop's gunned down an unarmed 18 year old. What's the worst that could possibly happen in telling the truth? a spanking?
 
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AJiveMan said:
What's the risk involved with telling the truth? That one of their city cop's gunned down an unarmed 18 year old. What's the worst that could possibly happen in telling the truth? a spanking?
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Oh, ok. They didnt report significantly incriminating evidence...while the entire town is rioting...because there was no 'upside' in it? Because they wouldnt have access to the media if they were intimidated by the local PD? Like there wouldnt be visibility and $$ in it for them? Local street cred?

Uh huh.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

AJiveMan said:
There was one report, go find it. Where's the rest of the bullets fired should be the next question.
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You made the claim...you provide the proof.

And the fact that you have to ask that question is just a laughable reminder that you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
What spotless record???
His whole police department was FIRED!
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The Ferguson PD has a long history of profiling, as does St.Louis county police.
 
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Lursa said:
You made the claim...you provide the proof.

And the fact that you have to ask that question is just a laughable reminder that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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It's in the link in the post you just replied to, :doh
 
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JC_CT said:
I actually figured out what the first part says. It's quite damning for Wilson. Check out my last few posts, and listen to the audio again, a few times so you are comfortable with it.
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Fireworks, indeed. :roll:
 
Mustachio said:
The thoughtful man forms his opinion based on all of the evidence, including eyewitness accounts.

The fool interprets the evidence based on his opinion, which is in turn based on long standing bias.
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:doh

Yes. Good thing I am doing the underlined then.




Montecresto said:
Do you know that Grand Jury's aren't impaneled unless the DA thinks that there's a case. And that they believe that they can demonstrate to the panel that there is, in this case, probable cause that the officer wrongly shot and killed Brown?
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"Aren't impaneled unless"?
That is a definitive statement that does not hold true, as there are many reasons as to why something is brought before a GJ.




The Mark said:
So while you may take this info as proving your opinion on the subject, someone else could (and has, in the thread, already) taken it as proving the opposite.
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:doh

How you extracted all that from a comment about something being "likely", is beyond me.
 
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tres borrachos said:
From your link:

However, that’s something of a dubious title according to forensic pathologist Dr. Erik Mitchell.

“That is a degree that does not exist in my knowledge, except in the mind of Shawn Parcells,” Dr. Mitchell said.

Dr. Mitchell takes issue with Parcells’ title.

“You cannot claim the title, because it is a formal, licensable position. You can assist somebody; in this way I can say, for instance, I have paid my taxes, so I am an assistant President of the United States,” Dr. Mitchell said.

Parcells admits he has no certification as a pathology assistant, but says his qualification comes from experience.

“I worked there as a forensic assistant for about a year. And if I remember correctly that was 2005 to 2006. That was under Dr. Young,” Parcells said.

That’s Dr. Thomas Young, the former Jackson County Medical Examiner.

“And that’s honestly where I gained a lot of my experience,” Parcells said.

Parcells says his training began in 1997 when he interned with Dr. Young, until he was hired in the mid-2000’s.

Dr. Young responded with this statement:

“Shawn hung out at the Jackson County Medical Examiner’s office but was not trained by me.”…. “He has been representing himself in a way that is not appropriate by giving forensic pathology opinions when he is not qualified to do so.”

“He has none of the qualifications that are required. He has experience as a morgue technician, somebody who would move bodies around, clean up after an autopsy,” Dr. Mitchell said.
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Um, woah. That guy will be eaten alive by the Defense Attorneys if he is presented at trial as a witness for the Prosecution.
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Which is why I provided the link.
The scheme team hired this guy for a reason, and it doesn't appear to be his skills.
 
Moot said:
Who was the witness?
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Again.
Why? Do you want to go silence him?
Doesn't matter to us whom he is.


Moot said:
It probably looked like he was since the officer was shooting at him while his back was turned.
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Not. There is no credible evidence that says that.
And if this recording is of the incident it quashes any such possibility.


Moot said:
Neither does the Ferguson police chief.
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:doh
Wrong.


Moot said:
He said there was a struggle in patrol car for the gun before it went off. The coroner didn't find any gun powder residue on Brown's hands or any sign of a struggle on his body.
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There doesn't have to be GSR or signs of a struggle on Brown for there to have been a struggle or a discharge.
That is nothing more than a real absurd claim you have there.


Moot said:
Long enough to see that the victim was wounded and unarmed with his hands up.
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:doh
Didn't happen.


Moot said:
Alleged by you.
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Wrong. That is an assertion that was made by others.
One that the evidence does not support.



Moot said:
Several witnesses saw MB get hit or grazed from behind.
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NO they didn't.
You have one person who claimed he was shot in the back and others that tried to support that with lies.
That is all.


Moot said:
"The cop gets out of his vehicle shooting," Tiffany Mitchell said. "(Brown's) body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turned around, and he put his hands up. ... The cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground, and his face just smacks the concrete."


Piaget Crenshaw, Mitchell's co-worker, said she saw what happened from her apartment while waiting for Mitchell....."He started chasing after the boy. I'm hearing shots fired ... one did graze him. ... At the end he just turned around ... and then was shot multiple times."
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We know what they said. They aren't credible.


Moot said:
What has become apparent. is that you chose a side without knowing the evidence and are now attempting to justify the side you took.
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What a shame Whoa, look at the pot calling the kettle black.
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Not at all.
What you did is vastly different, because unlike you, I went from the evidence and not some preconceived notion.


Moot said:
Baden also said it was a "preliminary autopsy" and he didn't have all the evidence such as the x-rays and MB's clothes. The jury is still out, Excon.
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:doh iLOL
You have no point.
I have already said several times that this autopsy is unofficial and meaningless.


Moot said:
If Michael Brown didn't have gun powder residue on him then wouldn't that discredit the officers story that he was trying to grab the officers gun when it went off?
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No it wouldn't. Not in accordance with the evidence as known.


Moot said:
Michael Brown had a spotless record, too. He didn't have a police record and he finished HS. Unfortunately, he didn't get a trial before he was sentenced to death. So the least we could do is make sure that officer Wilson gets one, eh? How else are we going to know the truth?
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Holy ****.
That fact that he robbed a store means his record was not spotless.
The fact that he brought about his own death means he did not receive a death sentence.
Man, talk about absurd exaggeration.


Moot said:
If...if MB was indeed shot while Wilson was still in his cruiser, which is starting to look highly likely, then that would blow a hole a mile wide in the officers story that MB had turned and taunted him to shoot......

Why would MB do that if he was already shot and bullets were whizzing past him as he was trying to run away? We need a ballistic report to know how just how many bullets Wilson did fire.

Say, how long does it take to reload a handgun? Three seconds, perhaps? That might explain the pause in the audio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls4...t. My Gawd. The stretching that goes on here.
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Buck Ewer said:
Baden did the autopsy . Baden will testify.
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Testify?
To what?
Where?

Dr. Baden was hired by the family.
What show is the family running in which Baden will testify?

The only time Dr. Baden will be relevant is if he is used to counter what the Official autopsy (you know, the one that hasn't been released) says.
Right now he is nothing more than the scheme teams attempt to spin a narrative.


Buck Ewer said:
Johnson remains a credible and believable witness...
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He can't remain something he clearly wasn't to begin with.
Duh!


Buck Ewer said:
but he kept coming toward him
He could have been describing Wilson moving towards Brown.
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No he couldn't have been, as he was speaking of Brown moving and thinking the Officer missing.
 
JC_CT said:
Hi, new to this forum and making post #1...

HOWEVER...it doesn't take much to see the blatantly disguised racism on display here.

I especially love how eyewitness testimony is inherently black, I mean shoddy. Frickin thugs, maybe they should have thought about the socioeconomic consequences before they decided to be slaves for 300 years and second class citizens for another 150. But it's a frickin moot point, right? They have had 60 years (15%) to "get ahead." They must be some lazy "people," am i rite? rite? 'murica!
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A new name yes. You though? I doubt it.
And can your racist attitude. It serves no rational purpose.


JC_CT said:
My favorite part of that video is when he never said "but he kept coming toward him."
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:lamo

Learn the evidence.


JC_CT said:
You think they were lying because they all thought he was shot in the back when it turns out those shots missed? Is seeing whether a bullet is lodged in a person's body the same as seeing whether someone runs 30 feet at full speed?
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They are lying because that was made up and they are copying it.


JC_CT said:
There is no question in my mind that parts of Johnson's account are, as you put it, enhanced. That doesn't at all mean that we take his entire testimony and throw it out the window.
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Yes it does.
He is attempting to paint a picture that is most favorable to himself and Brown. So yes you automatically dismiss such.


JC_CT said:
We don't consider his word to be 100% solid on its own, but we take it into consideration as a piece of a larger body of evidence.
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Of course. Especially when another person matches what he says verbatim. It also becomes suspect.


JC_CT said:
Tiffany Mitchell, Paiget Crenshaw, Emanual Freeman (@TheePharaoh), Michael Brady, and the aforementioned Dorian Johnson all stated that Wilson fired at Brown as Brown was running away.
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And all are not credible. They are repeating what they heard others say.
You have a community that in general, does not like Police, who are all friends and neighbors and were congregated outside prior to any interviews all hearing the bs that the Cop fired on him as he fled and that he had his hands up.
They are taking what they heard and know was said by others, and embellishing their own accounts.


JC_CT said:
The man in the background of the so-called "game changer" video didn't explicitly say one way or another, but if anything his use of the language "the police KEPT dumping on him" when first directly referring to gunfire would lean towards evidence that there was prior gunfire - but should reasonably be classified as inconclusive. Now we have an alleged tape recording of the gun shots which doesn't provide hard proof, but fits well with the scenario of shots fired at Brown's back, followed by a separate volley of shots fired at his front.
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No.
You are choosing not to hear what he said. That is on you.
And he is far more believable than the above witnesses who are tainted.


JC_CT said:
So who's credibility is really lost?
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In that diatribe of bs? Yours.


JC_CT said:
Four years of which has been with a police department with a record that I wouldn't wipe my dog's behind with, and the other two with a police department that was literally disbanded because of its incurably toxic relationship with the community it was sworn to serve and protect.
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Irrelevant.
Anything concerning his previous employment is irrelevant unless you can show he acted in such a fashion or that he was connected to the Department's wrong doing.


JC_CT said:
Well, I at least deciphered the first part in question with relatively high confidence.

"He kept coming toward him"
No.
"He was like pissed off or something"
Those are the words actually spoken.
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And you are wrong.
The witness made it clear that Brown was moving towards the Officer and thinking the Officer was missing.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Nah ...
That award has to go to Fux Snooze...
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Never heard of that channel.

By the way, that was Dick Morris predicting a victory, not Fox News predicting a victory or announcing a victory, so I don't get the reason for this post. Gallup also predicted a Romney victory. Where's your picture of Gallup?
 
Excon said:
Of course. Especially when another person matches what he says verbatim. It also becomes suspect.


And all are not credible. They are repeating what they heard others say.
You have a community that in general, does not like Police, who are all friends and neighbors and were congregated outside prior to any interviews all hearing the bs that the Cop fired on him as he fled and that he had his hands up.
They are taking what they heard and know was said by others, and embellishing their own accounts.


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No.
You are choosing not to hear what he said. That is on you.
And he is far more believable than the above witnesses who are tainted.


And you are wrong.
The witness made it clear that Brown was moving towards the Officer and thinking the Officer was missing.
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Why do you continue to act like Emanuel Freeman doesn't exist? Do you not like it because it is published, time stamped immediately after it happened, and in complete disagreement with you?
 
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tres borrachos said:
So then why are you putting stake in his assessment?
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I'm not.
Baden is the world renowned expert.
Baden did the autopsy.
Parcells assisted with the autopsy and the press conference.
When the final conclusions are summarized in the final report Baden will have his name on it.

BTW I thought of something from anatomy classes I took many years ago...
When a pathologist or any anatomist says "front" they are usually referring to the "anterior" or front view as in the anatomical chart they use, with the hands open, thumbs out and the palms facing in the same direction as the face. As opposed to the posterior chart showing the back view of the same un-natural gesture.
Well guess what...People don't walk with their hands facing that way. The normal position for the hand in a walk is with the thumbs at the hips and the palms facing back. The forearms and upper arms also face back when standing or in a normal gait.
The figure in the chart has it's arms rotated 180 degrees at the shoulder from a normal relaxed position with the thumbs pointed away from the hips.
When Baden described all the shots as coming from the front he was referring to the front, (anterior) view of the anatomical chart and not necessarily to the animated orientation of a living, walking subject.
For the graze wounds on Browns fore arm, upper arm and thumb palm to be hit from the front Brown would have to assume the un-natural 180 degree arm rotation of the anatomical chart... Or else, a hands up / surrender posture.
Stand in front of a mirror and check it out.
Or look at this:
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Walking man front view..............Autopsy chart front and rear view
 

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Buck Ewer said:
I'm not.
Baden is the world renowned expert.
Baden did the autopsy.
Parcells assisted with the autopsy and the press conference.
When the final conclusions are summarized in the final report Baden will have his name on it.

BTW I thought of something from anatomy lessons I took many years ago...
When a pathologist or any anatomist says "front" they are usually referring to the "anterior" or front view as in the anatomical chart they use, with the hands open and the palms facing in the same direction as the face. As opposed to the posterior chart showing the back view of the same un-natural gesture.
Well guess what...People don't walk with their hands facing that way. The normal position for the hand in a walk is with the thumbs at the hips and the palms facing back. The forearms and upper arms also face back when standing or in a normal gait.
The figure in the chart has it's arms rotated 180 degrees at the shoulder from a normal relaxed position with the thumbs pointed away from the hips.
When Baden described all the shots as coming from the front he was referring to the front, (anterior) view of the anatomical chart and not necessarily to the animated orientation of a living, walking subject.
For the graze wounds on Browns fore arm, upper arm and thumb palm to be hit from the front Brown would have to assume the un-natural 180 degree arm rotation of the anatomical chart... Or else, a hands up / surrender posture.
Stand in front of a mirror and check it out.
Or look at this:
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Walking man front view..............Autopsy chart front and rear view
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So if Parcells is meaningless, why did you mention him earlier and get upset that Excon was refuting what Parcells said:

Are you saying then that Professor Parcells is a liar too?
You would have to be, because Parcells clearly stated that he and Dr Baden AGREED that the forearm graze wound was consistent with being shot from behind, and then turning around.
 
Excon said:
:doh

Yes. Good thing I am doing the underlined then.
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No it's not. You took evidence and spun it into your narrative using conjecture. You said it was "likely" Brown was still coming at him, and you won't accept any other interpretation of the audio. The audio proves nothing that you said it did, unless you spin it with your own conjecture. That's not looking at evidence, that's shoving it into the hole that you want it to fit into.
 
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tres borrachos said:
So if Parcells is meaningless, why did you mention him earlier and get upset that Excon was refuting what Parcells said:

Are you saying then that Professor Parcells is a liar too?
You would have to be, because Parcells clearly stated that he and Dr Baden AGREED that the forearm graze wound was consistent with being shot from behind, and then turning around.
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Excon refutes just about everything I say and don't be under the impression that he "upsets" me.
I find his authoritarian "you are wrong because I say so", stonewall method of debate rather amusing, largely because I know how ineffectual it is at persuading anyone.
I mentioned Parcells because he is the one who presented Baden's findings at the press conference, as they related to the fore arm graze wound.
Now, what about the anatomy lesson I just gave?

...Anyone? ...anyone? ...Bueller?
 
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