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Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot[W:72,732]

Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

tres borrachos said:
Where is the hospital report and statement on their examination of Brown? Link?
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My bad the claim of a swollen face was made by Police Chief Jackson.
After the incident, Wilson was taken to a local hospital, where he was treated for a "swollen face," according to Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson.
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Of course patient information can not be released by a hospital unless it is subpoenaed or released by the patient themselves.
Jackson's report to the press is the only official information available to anyone about Wilson's injuries and he only described it as a "swollen face".
It has been reported that Wilson was at the hospital for less than an hour indicating that the injury to his face was not very serious at all. Nowhere is there any official information that says that the eye or eye area was involved.
 
Excon said:
Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

By Holly Yan, CNN
updated 12:36 AM EDT, Tue August 26, 2014


[...]

In the recording, a quick series of shots can be heard, followed by a pause and then another quick succession of shots.

"I personally heard at least 11" shots, the man's attorney, Lopa Blumenthal, told CNN's Don Lemon.

The man, who asked that his identity not be revealed, lives near the site of the shooting and was close enough to have heard the gunshots, Blumenthal said.

He was speaking to a friend on a video chat service and happened to be recording the conversation at the same time Brown was shot, Blumenthal said.

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Lawyer: Audio shows 11 shots when Michael Brown killed - CNN.com​


11 Shots in 5 seconds.
Short pause between 6 and the other five. Likely Brown was still coming at him.
Just more evidence.
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Their guns don't hold 11 bullets, do they? Policemen don't have assault weapons like citizens do.
 
Buck Ewer said:
So if you are in a fire fight and the opponent surrenders his weapon and waves a white flag and comes out with his hands up ...
You would still drop him?

Oh ...period? ....
Got it...
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So in less than 3 seconds, he stopped, turned around, dropped to his knees, raised his hands AND waved a white flag ?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
WhatI hear is the first set of six shots were while Brown was running away and Wilson was chasing him ...Only one of these shots hit Brown because of all the running movement by both, the grazing wound to the right fore-arm.
The pause was when Brown stopped and turned around putting up his hands and falling to his knees.
Now a still target, all the remaining five shots found their mark the last one entering the top of Browns head as he fell to the pavement,
That last one in the group of five was the murder round.
This all fits perfectly with eye-witness testimony of what they saw happen.
The disturbing part is the shot we didn't hear... the one supposedly fired as Brown was supposedly going for Wilson's gun in the car.
I'm sure that if we can hear the other shots this clearly that a shot even fired inside the car would still be audible through the open window.
If it was on the tape I suspect that CNN would have played it, but it starts with the group of six rounds...
Curious eh?
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You're mixing certain facts with some assumptions. You're mixing gunshots, of which there is no dispute, with your assumption of WHY gunshots were fired, which hasn't been resolved, is in dispute, and of which there is no evidence. Unless you can hear his footsteps getting fainter and someone yelling at him, "Stop! Quit trying to run away and come back here so I can shoot you!" The gunshots were in the front of his body, per the autopsies, I believe.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
My bad the claim of a swollen face was made by Police Chief Jackson.

Of course patient information can not be released by a hospital unless it is subpoenaed or released by the patient themselves.
Jackson's report to the press is the only official information available to anyone about Wilson's injuries and he only described it as a "swollen face".
It has been reported that Wilson was at the hospital for less than an hour indicating that the injury to his face was not very serious at all. Nowhere is there any official information that says that the eye or eye area was involved.
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You said:

The hospital reported examining Wilson for a slight swelling on his face and releasing him almost immediately.

The hospital never reported that. Jackson also never said that.

Everyone is making statements and nobody knows any of the facts.

Nowhere is there any official information that says that the eye or eye area was involved.

I don't know if there was an eye injury or not. Nor do you. But the reality Buck is that none of us are privy to any "official information", nor will we be before the court system is.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
What evidence is there to show that he had a " busted eye"?
The hospital reported examining Wilson for a slight swelling on his face and releasing him almost immediately.
All talk of a "busted eye" is pure conjecture or debunked, made up lies.
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I saw a photo on the internet that was from a distance away, and even from that distance you could tell his eye was banged up. So it must've been noticeable, to be observable in a pic from a distance. People aren't usually hospitalized for a black eye or banged up face.

You make yourself look silly if you start calling "lies!" based on evidence that is conclusive, like photographs.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

apdst said:
Nice double standard ya got there!
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No double standard at all.
The law is constrained by what can be legally presumed about the guilt of an accused defendant.
No such legal constraint can be applied to the public or any individual outside of the legal system.
A double standard would be, if some people had to be presumed innocent by the law and others were not.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

JumpinJack said:
I saw a photo on the internet that was from a distance away, and even from that distance you could tell his eye was banged up. So it must've been noticeable, to be observable in a pic from a distance. People aren't usually hospitalized for a black eye or banged up face.

You make yourself look silly if you start calling "lies!" based on evidence that is conclusive, like photographs.
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Link to the picture?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
My bad the claim of a swollen face was made by Police Chief Jackson.

Of course patient information can not be released by a hospital unless it is subpoenaed or released by the patient themselves.
Jackson's report to the press is the only official information available to anyone about Wilson's injuries and he only described it as a "swollen face".
It has been reported that Wilson was at the hospital for less than an hour indicating that the injury to his face was not very serious at all. Nowhere is there any official information that says that the eye or eye area was involved.
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Actually, it really doesn't take long to fix broken face parts since they really have to just heal on their own. You get medication and they send you on your way if that is the only injury, possibly some restrictions on wearing face masks. It only took a little over an hour after I broke my nose for me to leave medical on the ship and the vast majority of that time was spent either getting my hands xrayed (I had also hit my hand against the handwheel I broke my nose on and the corpsman xrayed the wrong one despite telling them at least twice it was the wrong one, so they did both) and I had to set up my surgery with the dental surgeon for the next night.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

tres borrachos said:
You said:

The hospital reported examining Wilson for a slight swelling on his face and releasing him almost immediately.

The hospital never reported that. Jackson also never said that.

Everyone is making statements and nobody knows any of the facts.

Nowhere is there any official information that says that the eye or eye area was involved.

I don't know if there was an eye injury or not. Nor do you. But the reality Buck is that none of us are privy to any "official information", nor will we be before the court system is.
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I prefaced my last post with " My bad."
When Crue Cab declared that Wilson had a "busted eye" I felt the need to refute his assumption and I overstated the available evidence. He had no more grounds to make a statement about a busted eye than I had to make about a hospital report ... but we gotta talk about something while we are waiting for the indictment to come from the Grand Jury ... don't we?
:duel
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
What evidence is there to show that he had a " busted eye"?
The hospital reported examining Wilson for a slight swelling on his face and releasing him almost immediately.
All talk of a "busted eye" is pure conjecture or debunked, made up lies.
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So says you. Let me punch you in the face we can see how your aim is. Or maybe your state of mind. Oh, after attempting to take your gun while you are on duty.
 
Buck Ewer said:
I prefaced my last post with " My bad."
When Crue Cab declared that Wilson had a "busted eye" I felt the need to refute his assumption and I overstated the available evidence. He had no more grounds to make a statement about a busted eye than I had to make about a hospital report ... but we gotta talk about something while we are waiting for the indictment to come from the Grand Jury ... don't we?
:duel
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Yes but you've been doing that since the shooting.

Lying, making up " facts " and perpetuating the same false narrative that fueled the riots
 
" Hey, the Cops murdered Big Mike " !!!

" Lets riot and loot " !!!

Weeks later...." Oh Big Mike charged the Cop after he tried to wrestle away his gun " ???

" Ooops, my bad "
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Cryptic said:
So then Wilson's claim is something like:

- He tried to grab my weapon, I fired a shot while in the police car

- Brown retreated a good Distance away

-For an unknown reason, he then suddenly Initiates a banzai Charge at me, despite the fact he can see my Weapon and he knows I am willing to use it

-I shoot and wound him, temporarily stopping his charge

-He then struggles to get back up and resume the banzai charge
-I was still in fear for my life, so I killed him.
Brown was far more "Pillsbury Doughboy" than "The Incredible Hulk"- on PCP.

If this is the fact pattern, getting a jury to buy Wilson's claim that this shooting was truly needed is a huge stretch.
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And this is by far the most Poignant post in the string. (#71)
Thanks.
NO One has a good answer for it.

Of course, if it was the attorney for a friend of Brown's or CNN/Don Lemmon who made the audio Public, it lost Some of it's value, as the officer can now Adjust his story to fit the Recording.

It would have been of far more value if the officer had made a full statement FIRST and then the defense Could have used it to refute him.
But now it's more a story adjuster, if a more difficult one.

That's what was most stunning about watching CNN last night. These generally pro-Browners didn't realize they hadn't just uncovered new 'damning' evidence, but blown some of it's value by releasing it too soon.
 
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Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
That is the opinion of CBS-KMOX not the forensic surgeons.
Although there were no wounds to the victim's back, per se, they explained how at least one of the wounds on Browns forearm could have been received while he was moving away from Wilson.
They made it clear that this wound coming from behind could not be ruled out.
It doesn't make as good a headline when all the facts are explained, but that is the truth of the matter.
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sorry you didn't like the link
The examination of the body indicates he was not shot in the back.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Buck Ewer said:
What evidence is there to show that he had a " busted eye"?
The hospital reported examining Wilson for a slight swelling on his face and releasing him almost immediately.
All talk of a "busted eye" is pure conjecture or debunked, made up lies.
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You are correct. I saw Wilson walking around after the shooting. He didn't even put his hand up to his face. I believe this is a right-wing attempt to possibly excuse a murder.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

roguenuke said:
There are many cases where the witnesses change their story after the fact.

Trial by Fire



Our memories are not set in stone, at all. They are fluid. They can change with what we believe. In fact, they can in fact just simply be formed from the start from what we expect to see instead of what actually happened.

False Memory - Psychology - About.com

False Memories: When Your Brain Makes Stuff Up | TIME.com
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There are also plenty of times the guilty have changed their story too.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Texmex said:
There are also plenty of times the guilty have changed their story too.
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Yes, there are. But we don't actually have story from the accused, Officer Wilson, right now.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

apdst said:
Wilson'testimony is no less reliable than anyone else's, especially since the evidence is on his side.
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I believe the evidence is against Wilson. The three second gap may cost him his freedom.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

mbig said:
And this is by far the most Poignant post in the string. (#71)
Thanks.
NO One has a good answer for it.

Of course, if it was the attorney for a friend of Brown's or CNN/Don Lemmon who made the audio Public, it lost Some of it's value, as the officer can now Adjust his story to fit the Recording.
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You do realize he has certainly made statements by now, right? This recording will either support his statements or impeach his statements.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

Texmex said:
I believe the evidence is against Wilson. The three second gap may cost him his freedom.
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Depends on if there is an explanation for them, which even from the witnesses, there seems to be. Brown did stop and turned around. I doubt that Wilson was firing his weapon in that few seconds. The very crucial time point is did Brown move toward Wilson before or after Wilson started shooting his weapon and why exactly did he fire after Brown turned around. Those are the key questions to this case. Was Brown surrendering or was he getting ready to attack Wilson? The evidence released to the public so far conflicts on these key points.
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

roguenuke said:
Was Brown surrendering or was he getting ready to attack Wilson?
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unless the officer was already injured in a scuffle with the guy, because at that point it would be silly to assume he would immediately be trying to surrender after physically assaulting a police officer. right?
 
Re: Attorney: New audio reveals pause in gunfire when Michael Brown was shot

CRUE CAB said:
So says you. Let me punch you in the face we can see how your aim is. Or maybe your state of mind. Oh, after attempting to take your gun while you are on duty.
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Got any proof, or even a statement that anybody "punched " anybody in this case?


No I didn't think so.
 
Fenton said:
Yes but you've been doing that since the shooting.

Lying, making up " facts " and perpetuating the same false narrative that fueled the riots
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No I point to facts and offer up my opinions based on those facts.
 
Fenton said:
" Hey, the Cops murdered Big Mike " !!!

" Lets riot and loot " !!!

Weeks later...." Oh Big Mike charged the Cop after he tried to wrestle away his gun " ???

" Ooops, my bad "
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I never rioted or looted anything.
I maintain my belief that Wilson murdered Brown that day...and I will continue to say so.
 
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