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Darren Wilson’s first job was on a troubled police force disbanded by authorities

ELNOR said:
And also the fact, good shoot or bad, it wouldn't have happened had he himself not escalated the situation.
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Who is he himself?
 
opendebate said:
I love how people are cherry picking the information released on MB. As if they only thing printed about him was that he "strong armed" a store clerk. Which BTW you really don't know as fact the circumstances surrounding.
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Why would you look at other information about Brown from that day?

The video shows his frame of mind shortly before he encountered the officer.

Are you denying the family of Brown and his accomplice admitted it was Brown on the video?
 
Mason66 said:
Who is he himself?
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Brown. I believe he escalated the situation with the same attitude and behavior he demonstrated in the store minutes earlier. I don't know if the shoot was good or bad but I believe it wouldn't have happened had he not been defying the cop. Anytime you do that it will never end well for you regardless of skin color. And in today's world with today's police you pull it on the wrong cop you could end up full of holes.
 
opendebate said:
There all smear jobs. How can you not see that?
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Let me know when someone argues that Mike Brown must have been guilty because he was from Ferguson....
 
Caine said:
But he had to work.... right?

People say these things like its so simple. Just quit. Who cares about housing, food, bills, etc. Just quit because its an evil evil place to work.

Most people, especially those working for small town police departments... can't afford to just walk away from a decent paying job (better than most small town jobs) because there are those around them that suck.
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I work with a lot of first responders, and the first job of many is not where they necessarily want to be but a beginning from which they can move on and move up. For example, if the police department is super-competitive, they make take a job as a jailer at the sheriff's office or in a nearby smaller town. It's a start. Firefighters often work for a volunteer department for a couple of years and then apply to the city fire department. Etc.
 
roguenuke said:
You presumed to speak for others in the post right above this one. In reality, I knew most of the stuff about the police officer prior to this OP (saw it when I looked up the officer last week) and still know pretty much nothing about Michael Brown except that he had a scholarship to some college, was 18, and was a suspect in an alleged robbery that the police officer found out about a very short time after stopping him and his buddy for walking down the middle of the street. I don't honestly know why he was shot, but there is almost certainly some evidence somewhere that will give us a good picture of why, whether the reason was right or wrong that the cop had in doing so.
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Dr. Baden said in his press conference that one key piece of information he didn't have and that we don't know is about the gun residue on Brown's clothing. I imagine there is other information that has also not yet been made public.
 
The stuff about family life is relevant to the extent that it could make him prone to anger and violence. It is most definitely relevant that he came from a police department that had to be disbanded due to frequent excessive force complaints. A similarly abusive culture appears to have permeated the Ferguson police department. Such an environment does make the odds of him being prone to excessive use of force much higher.
 
opendebate said:
So why wasn't this story released like the story was suppose to be so incriminating and telling about MBs "character"? What does this tell you about officer Wilson?

Frankly, I'm just as appalled by the release of this kind of information about this officer as I am by the blatant attempts at manipulating the narrative by the release of personal information about MB. Can we all agree to ignore this kind of crap?
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I'm not appalled by the release of this information. In fact, I'm glad it was released in light of how some have tried to smear Michael Brown who isn't here to defend himself.

That said, I don't think this definitively proves anything about Wilson.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I'm not appalled by the release of this information. In fact, I'm glad it was released in light of how some have tried to smear Michael Brown who isn't here to defend himself.

That said, I don't think this definitively proves anything about Wilson.
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Anymore than the info released about Brown proves he deserved to be shot. Right?
 
americanwoman said:
Maybe he was the whistleblower. We might never know.
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That is a good point.

As the kid from the movie "Angels in the Outfield" said..., "Hey, It could happen!!"
 
americanwoman said:
Out of curiousity from another debate here- do you issue traffic citations and if so do you appear in court as a witness? You don't have to answer if you can't give out that kind of info but just wondering.
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Well, I don't anymore because I left the department almost 2 years ago.
But, yes I wrote alot of citations and when required I did appear in court as a witness. What happened where I worked was the first court date (the one on the citation) was in "administrative court" where basically you pay, or you let them know you are challenging the citation. If you are challenging the citation then they reschedule your case for the trial court room the officer is assigned to. Once THAT new court date comes up, the Officer is subpoenaed to be there and the case is handled.

But each court district may handle traffic citations differently within the same state. And obviously different states handle the cases differently than other states, etc.
 
opendebate said:
I've seen them and read them.
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I'm sure they exist, I just had no interest in seeing them. I didnt even bother to find out why he's living with his grandmother. I didnt seek out any stories on the cop either.
 
opendebate said:
Then maybe that's one of the things we need to rethink
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"We who?"

It's already standard police procedure. Are you suggesting they 'not' search all suspects? That kind of 'rethinking?'
 
nota bene said:
I work with a lot of first responders, and the first job of many is not where they necessarily want to be but a beginning from which they can move on and move up. For example, if the police department is super-competitive, they make take a job as a jailer at the sheriff's office or in a nearby smaller town. It's a start. Firefighters often work for a volunteer department for a couple of years and then apply to the city fire department. Etc.
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That is true... and who knows if Wilson applied at other departments and got turned down because they weren't hiring. Alot of pay freezing, layoffs, and no-hire situations have been occurring in the Law Enforcement community over the last 4 years or so. When the cities were going broke due to the bad economy, so was Law Enforcement.
 
Lursa said:
"We who?"

It's already standard police procedure. Are you suggesting they 'not' search all suspects? That kind of 'rethinking?'
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I'm suggesting that they may have other options besides shooting to kill
 
opendebate said:
Anymore than the info released about Brown proves he deserved to be shot. Right?
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Please show me a quote ANYWHERE in this forum where it says that Brown deserved to be shot because he:
A. Robbed a Store
B. Made gansta rap music
C. Dressed like a thug (which he really didn't as much as others, he seemed pretty clean cut).
 
opendebate said:
I'm suggesting that they may have other options besides shooting to kill
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This has been discussed over and over and over again.

You put lives at risk when you shoot to wound.... because trying to shoot a small target like a leg increases the chance exponentially that you fail to stop the threat. Which in turn causes death or serious bodily harm to the Officer.

Lethal force is just that.... Lethal
 
Caine said:
This has been discussed over and over and over again.

You put lives at risk when you shoot to wound.... because trying to shoot a small target like a leg increases the chance exponentially that you fail to stop the threat. Which in turn causes death or serious bodily harm to the Officer.

Lethal force is just that.... Lethal
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Oh so now the 300lb giant is a small target. How convenient.
 
opendebate said:
Oh so now the 300lb giant is a small target. How convenient.
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Oh jesus christ...... If you don't even know what I mean by that in the discussion of "shoot to wound" vs "shoot to kill" then you are WAYY out of your league.

A LEG
AN ARM
A HAND
A FOOT

Those are "small targets" which if missed in a situation that calls for a quick reaction, means the death of an officer.



And with the level of stupidity you have displayed here Im done debating with you.
 
Superfly said:
Before he was shot, the officer was told about the robbery. Originally, he didn't know about it. Then, when he was told about the robbery, things started to go south.

You can't unring the bell. He knew about the robbery, he told the guys to freeze. They didn't. :shrug:
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I haven't seen anything that says he knew at any point the Brown was a suspect. Do you mind telling me your source please?
 
opendebate said:
Anymore than the info released about Brown proves he deserved to be shot. Right?
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I havent seen anyone take that position, at least not seriously.
 
Superfly said:
How was he supposed to know they were unarmed? He probably left behind his police-issue x-ray vision goggles that day.

And they didn't look like they were "allegedly" taken from the store. The video was pretty clear. Looks like the owner was pretty pissed off about it, too - at least until he was grabbed around the neck by that sweet, innocent little ole' college bound, wide-eyed innocent. Why would the owner be going nuts if they hadn't taken anything? The guy wasn't an idiot. He was half the size of Brown.
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So you state that you don't pay any attention to the smear yet you make mocking comments abut the "that sweet, innocent little ole' college bound, wide-eyed innocent. " Way to walk the talk.

The point is, that who video is utterly irrelevant. It was released for no reason other than to smear this kid and influence peoples opinion of his character so that when the cops offer their side of the story people would find it more believable. But I will say I don't consider this kid any more likely to have jumped a cop who had stopped him, knowing that cop has a gun and that he doesn't, just because he stole some cigars at a market.
 
opendebate said:
So why don't you folks take some of that righteous "outrage" all stirred up from this because of this post and see if you can maybe muster up just a tiny shred of empathy for Michael Browns family or some genuine respect for due process.
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I have sympathy for Brown's and Wilson's families. This is horrible for both.

However it's been completely outside of the discussion of events...as it should be. (Not due process, that's fine)
 
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