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Iran unveils new missiles, drones

j-mac said:
What do we wait for? An American city, or maybe Jerusalem to have a mushroom cloud over it?
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Oh don't start that **** again. God your always so frightened!
 
CanadaJohn said:
No sane person would look at Obama's use of drone technology to conduct assassinations throughout the middle east and expect that those in the middle east wouldn't look to acquire that same technology and potentially use it against US interests. The drone was designed as an instrument of war and should have been left in that arena. You often reap what you sow, and America may rue the time they let their President abuse this technology without any level of serious concern.
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Yep! You got one right CJ, although you forgot Bush, he used it for assassinations outside the battle field as well, albeit not on the scale that Obama has.
 
jmotivator said:
Well, first, I have made no argument about the numbers of terrorists in the US. I only said it was exploitable. 9/11 was 5 years in the making and our security back then was terrible. We've also fought our own proxy wars since 9/11 that have, until recently, kept the Islamic radicals on their heels. But once Iran has a nuclear threat -- primarily as a defense against invasion than as an attack on US soil -- it's military conquest of the ME will begin. It would be hard to combat Iran at that point because any base we try to establish to counter their advances would be an immediate target for nuclear attack. Iran is playing the long game.

ISIS would be a more immediate threat for terrorist attacks in the US because they WANT a war with the US. They are in a state of war with the US right now. What they expect from this war is for the US to back down and give them more standing in the region and in the world of radical Islam. They need us to back down in order to get radical groups like Boko Haram, Al Qaeda and Hamas to join their struggle.

If the US doesn't meet the challenge with extreme military action to crush ISIS then we will see their cancer metastasize across the globe.
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Lets keep on ignoring the fact that any reason Iran would have to conduct what you're peeing your pants over would be a result of US interference (otherwise known as ****ing with people) in the region generally, and in their country specifically, beginning at least with our CIA sponsored coup against their government in 1953. Consequences can be painful.
 
Deuce said:
Those would be the comic book villain motives I'm talking about.

Iran sees that nations with nuclear weapons don't get invaded. They know they can't stand up to western nations in a conventional military conflict, but nuclear weapons can make an invasion of Iran too costly for any nation to undertake. Even getting nukes, Iran isn't stupid enough to use them on the United States, because that is literally the fastest way possible to get your nation wiped off the map.

No nation on the planet stands to gain anything by attacking us.
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That is the problem Deuce, you are in the group that will deny what they say they believe is what they believe until you have no choice.. and then maybe a few days more. These are the Hadiths that Shi'ite Imams of Iran preach. By your argument Iran would have no reason to fund terrorism all over the world... but it does. How does Iran's funding of international terrorism fit in your mypoic view of what Iran actually believes?

You say no nation stands to gain anything by attacking the US, but that is only after you pretend that the rest of the suicide cultists don't exist and that suicide in the name of Allah isn't actually a thing.

People are dying and murdering for the very "comic book" beliefs you have been shown and choose to ignore.
 
Montecresto said:
Lets keep on ignoring the fact that any reason Iran would have to conduct what you're peeing your pants over would be a result of US interference (otherwise known as ****ing with people) in the region generally, and in their country specifically, beginning at least with our CIA sponsored coup against their government in 1953. Consequences can be painful.
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Yay! This argument again! Chickens roosting and all of that ignorant bull****. It is a false argument, obviously... but you still try to make it.

The Twelver sect of Islam has been around for hundreds of years. We have reached a point in history where there is a growing belief among the Twelvers that we are approaching the end and it is on them to bring about the terrible future on which the Mahdi will return.
 
jmotivator said:
Yay! This argument again! Chickens roosting and all of that ignorant bull****. It is a false argument, obviously... but you still try to make it.

The Twelver sect of Islam has been around for hundreds of years. We have reached a point in history where there is a growing belief among the Twelvers that we are approaching the end and it is on them to bring about the terrible future on which the Mahdi will return.
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Oh yeah, that bull**** again. Well guess what. The sun is setting on US imperialism and hegemony. There's too many pushing back on it.
 
US Conservative said:
This is what voting for democrats gets you. But hey at least they haven't announced they have nukes yet and Obama's let them into Iraq.
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Don't be frightened, it will be ok.
 
US Conservative said:
Its not about being frightened. Do you have car insurance because you are frightened?
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Some wound up right winger might slam on his breaks in front of me. Accidents happen everyday and are a very REAL concern. Stop being frightened over Iran.
 
jmotivator said:
That is the problem Deuce, you are in the group that will deny what they say they believe is what they believe until you have no choice.. and then maybe a few days more. These are the Hadiths that Shi'ite Imams of Iran preach. By your argument Iran would have no reason to fund terrorism all over the world... but it does. How does Iran's funding of international terrorism fit in your mypoic view of what Iran actually believes?

You say no nation stands to gain anything by attacking the US, but that is only after you pretend that the rest of the suicide cultists don't exist and that suicide in the name of Allah isn't actually a thing.

People are dying and murdering for the very "comic book" beliefs you have been shown and choose to ignore.
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Now you've jumped the goalposts from a state actor developing nukes to terrorist groups. Supplying a nuke to a terrorist groups is an extreme risk for any nation to take. If the weapon gets traced back to you, it's over. The entire planet is going to make sure you are obliterated. Nuclear weapons are easier to trace than you'd think. The materials can be traced to specific plants, even specific reactors.

So, if a terror cell manages to develop a nuke on their own, I would be greatly concerned. But such groups lack the resources to do something like that.
 
Deuce said:
Now you've jumped the goalposts from a state actor developing nukes to terrorist groups. Supplying a nuke to a terrorist groups is an extreme risk for any nation to take. If the weapon gets traced back to you, it's over. The entire planet is going to make sure you are obliterated. Nuclear weapons are easier to trace than you'd think. The materials can be traced to specific plants, even specific reactors.

So, if a terror cell manages to develop a nuke on their own, I would be greatly concerned. But such groups lack the resources to do something like that.
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I have never stated that Iran would give a nuke to a terrorist group. The rest of your argument falls apart from there.
 
Montecresto said:
Oh yeah, that bull**** again. Well guess what. The sun is setting on US imperialism and hegemony. There's too many pushing back on it.
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The US is committing suicide because there are too many Montecresto's in the country preaching about how much the country deserves it based on some pamphlet they read from one the nations ample socialist lice farms. It is the fate of all great civilizations. In our wake will be death and famine and strife because none of our successors want the job of world police as much as they want the job of world dictator.
 
Montecresto said:
Some wound up right winger might slam on his breaks in front of me. Accidents happen everyday and are a very REAL concern. Stop being frightened over Iran.
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Just because other threats exist does not mean this is not also a threat. Your thoughts should be based on logic rather than emotion.
 
US Conservative said:
Just because other threats exist does not mean this is not also a threat. Your thoughts should be based on logic rather than emotion.
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Fearful as you are of non existing threats, it would appear that you are the emotional one.
 
Montecresto said:
Yep! You got one right CJ, although you forgot Bush, he used it for assassinations outside the battle field as well, albeit not on the scale that Obama has.
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I don't believe Bush used drones for assassinations but I'll be willing to review your documented proof of such and be proven wrong. The drone program was new and just past the experimental stage during the Bush Presidency and if I'm not mistaken he only used them in Afghanistan and into the bordering mountain ranges with Pakistan where the Taliban and al Quida fled - and I believe he only did so with the Pakistani military knowledgeable - all part of the arena of war, which I consider its proper use. It's why Obama made a big deal, during the 2008 election campaign, of his support for expanding drone use, particularly mentioning bin Laden, and not needing the approval of allies and others to send drones into their sovereign territory.
 
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j-mac said:
What do we wait for? An American city, or maybe Jerusalem to have a mushroom cloud over it?
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Do you somehow think it's completely appropriate and reasonable (morally and ethically) for the USofA to constantly upgrade and improve it's ability to kill people, yet insist that other countries sit back and do nothing????

Who used drones first? Who uses drones? Why are drones used?

Why on earth would you NOT expect other countries to understand the advantage drones provide and therefore seek to have their own?


And since when is having a weapon grounds for war?

If that's the case, surely other countries are justified in attacking the USofA.
We're pretty much the leaders in advancing the technology of killing people.

This whole "we can have it and use it, but if anybody else tries the same thing it's grounds for war" mentality is truly mind-boggling.

For example: Experimental U.S. hypersonic weapon destroyed seconds after launch
The weapon is part of a program to create a missile that will destroy targets anywhere on Earth within an hour of getting data and permission to launch.
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Does that mean Russia has a justifiable reason to attack us? Or China?

I guess it's only "evil" if somebody else does it.
 
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