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Two rallies, one racial divide over Ferguson shooting

From what I saw, and granted that I didn't see much of the other protest... one is demanding "the head" of the cop, and the other is only demanding that the cop get his right to be considered innocent UNTIL proven guilty. I may be wrong, but that's the way I saw it.

I think one side has a much larger issue that they are tired of being asked to keep quiet about. Sometimes outrage makes sense. In this case, while I don't support looting etc, I do understand the frustration they must feel and it's not uncommon for people to believe that after asking to be heard for so long and being ignored, they may be more likely to be heard if they now insist, loudly. It does not necessarily make them criminals or invalidate their complaint(s).

I also don't think we should allow ourselves to be distracted from an injustice that does in fact exist just because we don't happen to like the way a few people being affected by that injustice choose to protest it.
 
Please explain to me how the situation on the south side of Chicago will heal race relations?

I'm a middle class educated black man who never step in chicago faces racism all the time. Please explain to me how race relations between someone like you and me can get better?


" Racism " by your standard is nothing more than a narrative to promote a victimhood mentality.

You want race relations between me and you to get better ?

Stop defining the whole f****** world on the issue of the color of your or anyone elses skin.

Honestly, I couldn't care less what color your skin is.

Its not nor has it ever been a concern of mine.

Black people are the ONLY people who can address the issues that plague inner city areas

Promote the Family, promote education above all else, PROMOTE FATHERHOOD.

This reaching back 100 years in the past for a bad excuse to justify current behaviour isn't helping young black men out of the ghetto, or out of body bags for that matter.

Care about the rising death toll that comes from Black on Black violence as much as you care about some Teen thug who gets gunned down by a Police officer and then we'll talk about " improved race relations ".

Until then I call Bull s*** on your concern over " race relations ".
 
I think one side has a much larger issue that they are tired of being asked to keep quiet about. Sometimes outrage makes sense. In this case, while I don't support looting etc, I do understand the frustration they must feel and it's not uncommon for people to believe that after asking to be heard for so long and being ignored, they may be more likely to be heard if they now insist, loudly.

Very true, but what I dont understand is:

- Holder sending 40 FBI agents to the scene of the crime- when there is no indication that the Missouri State Police are incompetent.
- High level delegations from the White House at the funeral

Meanwhile, the same White House downplays any possible rascism in the Rabbi shooting, claims that the death of a Fort Lewis soldier by black assailants who identified their victims as white before attacking was simply a "robbery".

Likewise, how much coverage did CNN give this? Blacks, Latinos in the South: Cooperation or confrontation? - USATODAY.com

Black men who had conducted a "reconnasiance patrol" through a hispanic neighborhood then murder six hispanics in their homes. Of course, the communiques from "the experts" all proclaim that it was not a racial attack- but do you really think had the victims been black, or even white, they would have been killed - or even targetted at all?
 
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While this comment does not raise to the level of racist, it sure is prejudicial....it's as if the hand of (a) God had something to do with the abduction of Africans for slaves. I think not.

You're right, it was more the tribal kings in Africa that sold them.
 
Very true, but what I dont understand is:

- Holder sending 40 FBI agents to the scene of the crime- when there is no indication that the Missouri State Police are incompetent.
- High level delegations from the White House at the funeral

Meanwhile, the same White House downplays any possible rascism in the Rabbi shooting, claims that the death of a Fort Lewis soldier by black assailants who identified their victims as white before attacking was simply a "robbery".

Likewise, how much coverage did CNN give this? Blacks, Latinos in the South: Cooperation or confrontation? - USATODAY.com

Black men who had conducted a "reconnasiance patrol" through a hispanic neighborhood then murder six hispanics in their homes. Of course, the communiques from "the experts" all proclaim that it was not a racial attack- but do you really think had the victims been black, or even white, they would have been killed - or even targetted at all?

The statistics for Black on White violent crime are sobering.

From the knockout game to innocent kids getting beat to death ( Texas A & M McDonalds ) if you went by statistics alone you would have to come to the conclusion that Whites are by far more victimized because of their skin color than blacks are.

I read some of the Twitter threads that urged blacks to target White neighborhoods after the Michael Brown incident.

Finally after tons of irresponsible tweets a young black male chimed in and reminded these idiots of just how well armed your average Middle class American is.

The RECORD amounts of Gun sales to Law abiding Americans over the last 6 years along with the record amount of conceal carry permits should be enough to make any idiot reconsider this type of tactic

I can think of 10 friends off the top of my head that own AR's.

Another 15 who carry at all times and have considerable gun collections to boot.
 
I think one side has a much larger issue that they are tired of being asked to keep quiet about.
Who has been asking them to keep quiet? Are you talking about the black community or the group that was supporting the right to a fair trial and not to be convicted in the press and in the streets?

Sometimes outrage makes sense.
Outrage always makes sense when an outrageous event takes place. The problem I have though, is that we don't know what led to the death of this young man. No matter what caused it, it is a very sad and terrible event. Anytime any of our young people are taken from us, it is a very sad event. For us to be outraged over that, is just fine and very understandable. For us to direct that outrage, we must first see what caused it to occur. Was it a police officer exceeding his authority? Did the young man attack the officer which led to his death? Both are possible at this point to be what occurred. If it is the first, we should be outraged at a police officer that took a life illegally. If it is the latter, we should be outraged at a culture that demeans the rule of law and glorifies lawlessness.

One thing that can be discussed already, is the perception by the black community that the police in the STL area, and the rest of the country for that matter, seem to treat young black men differently than others. Why is that? What is the root cause? My take is that the root cause lies in a bifurcation - of young black culture and police policies that lead to targeting them (intentionally or not). Both have to be addressed for that to change, IMHO.

In this case, while I don't support looting etc, I do understand the frustration they must feel and it's not uncommon for people to believe that after asking to be heard for so long and being ignored, they may be more likely to be heard if they now insist, loudly.
Very true. Desperate people take desperate actions. The looting had nothing to do with the outrage, however. If they had burned buildings or cars or whatever, that too could be considered part of the outrage (although not acceptable)... but not the looting. That was just lawlessness from people that didn't give a flying flip about Mike Brown, but only cared about themselves. And, that was very sad as well. I've seen a very large number of good people being interviewed on TV that were there protesting, that only wanted to effect a change for the better. The criminals? They just wanted to be criminals and get some free stuff.

It does not necessarily make them criminals or invalidate their complaint(s).
No, it doesn't. It may make it more difficult, to be taken seriously though. Not because they don't have a message, but because the message isn't targeted, except for the chants and sound bites. To make a real change, they should take a page from Martin Luther King, Jr., and that would give them a seat at the table rather than being seen more as a loose group that doesn't have a clear and targeted goal.

I also don't think we should allow ourselves to be distracted from an injustice that does in fact exist just because we don't happen to like the way a few people being affected by that injustice choose to protest it.
It depends on the injustice and how you would define it. If we are talking about how the police, on average, interact with young black men, then yes, we shouldn't be distracted from that. But, as I said before, we can't expect just one side to make a change, when the other side (as an overwhelming culture, if not a group) should also look at the actions of some within that culture that promulgate that added scrutiny that leads to more interactions with police which can lead to unpleasant (and unreasonably harsh) as well as unacceptable outcomes. It will take a holistic approach to solve that problem.

Overall, we agree.
 
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The law FORCES integration and that is the only way it ever would have got done. In every single case the blacks and the media leap for the throat of the white race before examining the facts of the case and of the corpse. It is a method/technique of cover up and always will be
 
As the crow flies the two rallies held Saturday afternoon over the fatal shooting of an unarrmed black teen by a white policeman were about 10 miles (16 km) apart, but the racial divide that separated them made that distance seem infinitely greater.

Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/two-rallies-one racial-divide-over-ferguson-shooting-004209133.html


Anyone who thinks that there's no racism and no racial division in the USA could learn a lot in Ferguson, Mo.

But they'd have to keep their eyes, ears and minds open.




I predict that some people in the USA will learn nothing from the Ferguson tragedy and similar events because they have their eyes, ears and minds closed.

Yep, this entire scene has reaffirmed that the most blatantly racist people as a whole in America today are black people.
 
" Racism " by your standard is nothing more than a narrative to promote a victimhood mentality.

You want race relations between me and you to get better ?

Stop defining the whole f****** world on the issue of the color of your or anyone elses skin.

Honestly, I couldn't care less what color your skin is.

Its not nor has it ever been a concern of mine.

Black people are the ONLY people who can address the issues that plague inner city areas

Promote the Family, promote education above all else, PROMOTE FATHERHOOD.

This reaching back 100 years in the past for a bad excuse to justify current behaviour isn't helping young black men out of the ghetto, or out of body bags for that matter.

Care about the rising death toll that comes from Black on Black violence as much as you care about some Teen thug who gets gunned down by a Police officer and then we'll talk about " improved race relations ".

Until then I call Bull s*** on your concern over " race relations ".

I honestly do not know where you got the conclusion that I define the whole world base on the color of the skin. But the most disturbing part is your post is that you are basically telling me that racism towards me will always be justified until black on black crime is eliminated? That in itself is the most ignorant mindset I have come across in years.
 
I honestly do not know where you got the conclusion that I define the whole world base on the color of the skin. But the most disturbing part is your post is that you are basically telling me that racism towards me will always be justified until black on black crime is eliminated? That in itself is the most ignorant mindset I have come across in years.


One things for sure.

I DO NOT define my existence, my worth or my outlook on life according to the Color of my skin.

I dont see a White man when I look in the mirror. I see a man and when I see a black man I see a Man also, not a color.

Now if that black man ( or white for that matter ) has his pants sagging down around his hips, is tattooed up to the neck and decides he needs to project a anti-social persona upon the World then I make sure I'm prepared if he makes the stupid decision to confront me personally.

I also think blacks have gotten the shaft but not in the way you think.

All Men struggle with similar challenges on a day to day basis regardless of the color of their skin, their nationality or or their religion.

Whether its Family or related to your job or lack if job or whatever, we all have to deal with similar challenges. Life is tough.

Blacks have been shafted by the narrative that they're somehow incapable of addressing those challenges based solely on the color of their skin and that narrative isn't perpetuated by Conservatives or " White racist " or the GOP.

It's perpetuated by the left , by Democrats and by people like Jessie Jackson.

When I'm confronted with a challenge I push through, never considering for an instant that that challenge exist because someone has sought to control me based on my skin color.

There's nothing for me to fall back on, no manufactured victimhood narrative to catch me when I fall. No " Man " to blame, no history to use as a crutch or as justification for continued bad behavior.

If I fall I get up and push on and eventually that leads to success. I try and try again, I AM responsible for my mistakes and there is no one to blame but me when I make them.

Blacks got shafted when it was determined that the color of their skin defined their success, and you cant blame the "Man" or " racist "
 
You are right... The black protestors are marching, looting and rioting because of a white cop shooting a black man who just robbed a store... A shooting that they couldn't care less if it was justified or not.

While the white protestors, from a bar that police officers frequent, are protesting in support of "An officer that has abided by the law has been tried and found guilty without the evidence," said Laura, 48, who carried a placard on the sidewalk in front of the bar that read, "It's not about black or white, it's about rule of law."

When you're right, you're right.



he did?


when was he convicted?
 
Maybe if people would stop talking about it and stop going on and on and on and on and on about racism...it would eventually disappear.

The people to blame for racism are the people that refuse to stop looking at people as different 'races' just because of the melanin in their skin; and just looked upon everyone as people that happen to have darker/lighter complexion...it's just a physical characteristic, like height or weight or hair color.

Why can 'black' people not just be looked upon as dark skinned instead of attributing an entirely different 'race' to people with that physical characteristic?

We don't we call tall people a different race? Or blonde people? Or people with big noses?

Why skin color (melanin content)?


It's devisive and childish to do so, IMO.

Calling someone an entirely different 'race' strictly because they have more or less melanin in their skin is asinine in the extremis, IMO.
And I do not care if it is in the dictionary...it is still asinine to me.

A lot to agree with there...

However talking would be fine if it were talking. But this is a complex web of sub-issues super charged by the killing, and fueled by the continued assertions of fact that are not in evidence.

There is no proof here of anything, what is known is that a black kid was shot under suspicious and conflicting circumstances.

But one side continues to insist the kid was a "criminal" even though no charges have been laid, constantly claims he had a record, as if that is proof he caused the shooting and one and on.

The other side, lacking the facts and dealing with an obviously militant police force - senior officers saying the rioters should be shot "like dogs" is NOT conducive to brining calm.

All I can fault the demonstrators for is bringing violence into the equation which would have been made unnecessary had the governor or the mayor called an independent inquiry and let the evidence tell the story.

As it is you have a trail of misleading information founded on distrust...it will not go away any time soon so long as there are only two sides and no referee.
 
They could quickly determine it's British Jihadist who beheaded Foley. They could even know his name is John though the killer having a head cover all the time. Within hours when MH17 was shot down in Ukraine, they could quickly judge it was down by Russian's Buk misslie and waged a propaganda wave. Consider both were in enemy's fields. Compare with Ferguson case, it is American's land and you have witness and everything you needed, yet they couldn't reach a conclusion so far. Why? Because the two cases were in their plan while Ferguson case was an accident one.
 
As the crow flies the two rallies held Saturday afternoon over the fatal shooting of an unarrmed black teen by a white policeman were about 10 miles (16 km) apart, but the racial divide that separated them made that distance seem infinitely greater.

Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/two-rallies-one racial-divide-over-ferguson-shooting-004209133.html


Anyone who thinks that there's no racism and no racial division in the USA could learn a lot in Ferguson, Mo.

But they'd have to keep their eyes, ears and minds open.




I predict that some people in the USA will learn nothing from the Ferguson tragedy and similar events because they have their eyes, ears and minds closed.

You're right...the Libbos won't learn a damn thing.
 
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