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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

Since the fatal shooting of Michael Brown and police crackdown on protests related to that shooting China, Russia, Iran, and Egypt have all commented on Ferguson being emblematic of racism and police brutality in the USA and noting the hypocrisy of a country that lectures others on human rights while having such brutal displays of human rights abuses occur at home.

While the unrest has also shocked American observers and foreign correspondents from other Western democracies — including British and German reporters who have been struck by the “sounds of battle” and endured arrest — some of the most strident criticism of the police violence in Ferguson has come from authoritarian nations where the police are often venerated and dissent is scarcely tolerated.


Lol !

Yes, we should be so ASHAMED because other Nations are so " shocked " !!

Screw them.

What about the human rights of the law abiding citizens of Ferguson ?

The people that live in that community ? That had to get up and get to work, or that needed to go out and shop for their families but couldn't because thousands of idiots bought full on into a false narrative of " Cop " murder ?

Where was their protection when the Police decided to let the " protesters " blow off a little steam ?

Who gives a rats ass about idiot protestors ? Or news agencies that are there to stir up unrest so they can woo equally idiotic viewers ?

Unreal friken real !
 
Lol !

Yes, we should be so ASHAMED because other Nations are so " shocked " !!

Screw them.

What about the human rights of the law abiding citizens of Ferguson ?

The people that live in that community ? That had to get up and get to work, or that needed to go out and shop for their families but couldn't because thousands of idiots bought full on into a false narrative of " Cop " murder ?

Where was their protection when the Police decided to let the " protesters " blow off a little steam ?

Who gives a rats ass about idiot protestors ? Or news agencies that are there to stir up unrest so they can woo equally idiotic viewers ?

Unreal friken real !

Ouch, I see they got under your skin with that criticism, got you telling stories and spinning yarns too!
 
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I believe that much of the information out there that points to a justified homicide is wrong information.
I give my opinion based on what I believe to be true.
Just like you.


No, with the amount of wrong info you have imparted today it appears you believe what you believe and search for the information that matches it.
 
Ouch, I see they got under your skin with that criticism, got you telling stories and spinning yarns too!


Their criticisms are much like yours.

Not worth the bandwidth wasted posting them.

So under my skin ? No.
 
Their criticisms are much like yours.

Not worth the bandwidth wasted posting them.

So under my skin ? No.

Well I see you're still responding, so apparently, even that's untrue. At any rate, perhaps the ACLU will get some traction with this. And between Clair and Rand maybe we can legislate a reverse to this un american militarisation of our police forces too!
 
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You continue you're fail by equating the criminals that looted and vandalised with the peaceful protesters. It will be fine in the end because two or three Grand Jury's will hear evidence. If there isn't probable cause of wrong doing, and none of the panels return a true bill, that will be the end of it. Justice will have been served. If there is an indictment, then this will go to trial and god only knows when we'll find out how justice will be served. But sooner, or latter, justice will be served in this. In the mean time, some of the people in Ferguson have behaved criminally tarnishing the protests by the peaceful, very unfortunate. The police had a improper response to those who were peaceful. That too is going to be addressed, both by legislation and presidential order. Another good thing that this has netted is the discovery of some very unqualified individuals serving as police in the area, they have been, suspended, relieved of duty or fired.
Obviously you miss the reality that the looters spawned from the protesters...every night EXCEPT the night that the police used minimal force and dispersed the protesters from illegally protesting in the streets.

GO hang out with them. Go be a part of the festivities. Take a friend. Take family members. Send LOTS of pictures. make sure you stay in the wee hours...especially without police presence.
 
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Obviously you miss the reality that the looters spawned from the protesters...every night EXCEPT the night that the police used minimal force and dispersed the protesters from illegally protesting in the streets.

GO hang out with them. Go be a part of the festivities. Take a friend. Take family members. Send LOTS of pictures. make sure you stay in the wee hours...especially without police presence.

After seeing the crowds of peaceful protesters with police rifles trained on them, no thanks, I think I'll be keeping my distance from the Ferguson police.
 
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After seeing the crowds of peaceful protesters with police rifles trained on them, no thanks, I think I'll be keeping my distance from the Ferguson police.

right, because all small town police forces should be EXPERTS on riot control. If only they could elect YOU to teach them the right way. to bad, huh?
 
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right, because all small town police forces should be EXPERTS on riot control. If only they could elect YOU to teach them the right way. to bad, huh?

They don't need me. A, and 2, for the umpteenth time, not all the protesters were rioters and the heavy handed police response was sickening, we've been mocked overseas for it as well. Hopefully, legislation, and Obama's action will take these tools of war away from people we've employed to keep the PEACE! If the police need more training and guidance for such events, there's been at least two veteran police chiefs in America that have voiced their concerns over the heavy handedness in Ferguson. I'm sure they could be of help.
 
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Ferguson police most definitely DO carry Tasers;
Grand jury hears evidence in Ferguson case as stun gun death cited in lawsuits

Police guard the entrance to the Buzz Westfall Justice Center in Clayton, Mo., on Aug. 20, 2014.
Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.
CLAYTON, Mo. — A grand jury has begun hearing evidence as it weighs possible charges against the Ferguson police officer who fatally shot 18-year-old Michael Brown.

St. Louis County prosecutor's spokesman Ed Magee confirmed the panel heard evidence Wednesday but offered no other details. Officials have vowed not to release any information about the grand jury's proceedings in order to avoid compromising the case.

During the day, a small group of protesters gathered outside the suburban St. Louis building where the grand jury was meeting. About 20 police officers stood outside the building's front entrance, which was also blocked off by yellow police tape.

It could be weeks before the grand jury decides whether Officer Darren Wilson should stand trial for Brown's Aug. 9 death.

Stun gun death cited in Ferguson lawsuits
ST. LOUIS — The mother and wife of a man killed by a Ferguson officer in 2011 have filed separate lawsuits with new allegations against a police department already under criticism for the death of Michael Brown.

Jason Moore died of a heart attack on Sept. 17, 2011, after a Ferguson officer repeatedly used a stun gun on him, according to lawsuits filed separately Tuesday by Moore's mother, Delores Moore, and his wife, Tina Moore. Both lawsuits, which name the city and Ferguson leaders, along with the police department, the chief and two officers, seek damages of $75,000 or more.

The suits filed in federal court say Jason Moore, 31, was suffering from a psychological disorder. Police were called after he ran naked down the street, yelling "God is good," ''glory to God" and "I am Jesus" at passing vehicles.

Both lawsuits claim that a police officer used excessive force by repeatedly using a stun gun on Moore. A message left with the attorney for Ferguson was not returned. An attorney for Tina Moore declined comment. A message seeking comment from Delores Moore's attorney was not returned.

The lawsuit comes less than two weeks after Brown was shot to death by Ferguson officer Darren Wilson, raising concerns about police brutality in the St. Louis suburb.

A police report shows that the first officer responding to the 2011 incident advised Moore to put up his hands and walk toward the officer. That officer's report said the man came at him aggressively and refused commands to stop, swinging his fists.

The officer said he used a five-second burst from the stun gun on Moore, who went down but tried to get up. He said he deployed two additional five-second bursts when Moore refused orders to stay on the ground.

Moore became unresponsive as a second officer tried to speak with him. That officer began chest compressions until a medical crew arrived and took Moore to a hospital, where he died.

The lawsuit said the officer "used more force than a reasonable police officer at the scene would have used under the circumstances." It said that if the officers should have treated Moore like a mentally ill person, not like a criminal.

The suit by Tina Moore accused police of conspiring "to cover for and protect one another from criminal and/or civil sanctions ..."
Grand jury hears evidence in Ferguson case as stun gun death cited in lawsuits | Times Free Press
 
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Sounds like whether the police in that incident were aware the person was mentally unstable will be key.

Some Ferguson cops will over-use their Tasers. Killing a crazy guy.
At least one Ferguson cop wouldn't use his Taser when he should have. Killing a 300 pound jay walker...
WTF is going on in that police department?
 
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Some Ferguson cops will over-use their Tasers. Killing a crazy guy.
At least one Ferguson cop wouldn't use his Taser when he should have. Killing a 300 pound jay walker...
WTF is going on in that police department?

Are you aware that the mentally ill and people hyped on drugs do not react normally...or at all...to such methods? Police use them to try and get someone under control...do you suggest they stop using it just because it's not working? Ok, sure...then what do they opt for while protecting themselves and the public?
 
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Some Ferguson cops will over-use their Tasers. Killing a crazy guy.
At least one Ferguson cop wouldn't use his Taser when he should have. Killing a 300 pound jay walker...
WTF is going on in that police department?
Possibly they overcompensated after the tazer incident and that led to the killing of Brown which started this ****storm?
 
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Possibly they overcompensated after the tazer incident and that led to the killing of Brown which started this ****storm?
That would be an interesting defense, if Wilson chose to use it at his murder trial.
 
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Are you aware that the mentally ill and people hyped on drugs do not react normally...or at all...to such methods? Police use them to try and get someone under control...do you suggest they stop using it just because it's not working? Ok, sure...then what do they opt for while protecting themselves and the public?
They don't seem to hesitate to use batons and wrestling people to the ground and sitting on them when they are arresting protesters.
I think they didn't wanted to touch this guy because he was naked... so they Tased him over and over.
 
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They don't seem to hesitate to use batons and wrestling people to the ground and sitting on them when they are arresting protesters.
I think they didn't wanted to touch this guy because he was naked... so they Tased him over and over.

You 'think?' But as usual...you dont 'know.'

You just prefer to believe whatever fits your preconceived notions.

Can you imagine the media outrage if they had physically set up on, beaten up, a naked guy, based on the apparent presumption that you have...that he couldnt have been much of a threat?

Maybe the Ferguson cops already knew about this and how dangerous crazy naked people can be. Maybe you can tell the same things to this cop's family.

Local News | Deputy shot dead after man takes gun | Seattle Times Newspaper
 
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Ok,

Let try to reconstruct in a general sense what happened while giving Officer Wilson the most favorable spin possible:

The encounter

- Brown and his friend are sauntering down the middle of the street. Brown is pumped up and juiced up after having pulled off a strong arm robbery
-Wilson, unaware of the strong arm robbery, gives Brown a legitimate order to get out of the middle of the street
-Brown refuses to comply, Wilson returns to Brown

The Attack
-Brown then suddenly attacks Wilson in his car. He quickly overcomes any resistance from Wilson, reaches over Wilson and tries to get his pistol on his right side.
-Wilson, in fear for his life, fires a shot at Brown.

The Attack part II
-Brown retreats a good distance. Then, he reverses course, and suddenly charges Wilson.
- Wilson is unable to call for back up,a nd there is no time to yell a warning at Brown.
-In fear for his life, Wilson resumes firing at Brown.
-Brown ignores several bullet impacts fired from a large calibre service weapon, lowers his head and keeps charging Wilson until he is dropped.

Given that Brown was not high on PCP, how likely is this?
You ask how likely when your narrative is off from the start?
That makes no sense.

The Officer became aware they fit the description after he disengaged, so he reengaged.

There is no account that stated the Officer fired a round at Brown in the vehicle. Only that the gun discharged in it.
And if you listen to Darian recount that event, he makes it sound like the Officer was bleeding after the discharge. Not that I know that to be true, only that is what his account sounds like, and given Dorians vast grasp of proper English, one I have no reason to believe.

And Brown ran after the shot, at which time the Officer existed his vehicle pursued ordering them to stop.
Well Brown obviously stopped moving forward, and according to the eyewitness overheard telling others what he saw, Brown was running towards the Officer as the Officer fired at him.

Of course it is likely.


(I dont buy the "He, after being shot at seconds before, suddenly turned and banzai charged me while ignoring several bullet impacts" claim.
Of course you don't.
Like the unscripted spontaneous utterance of the witness recorded on video is somehow false? :doh





Well then I suppose they can fill out the forms in full then.
How do you now they haven't been and only redacted?





If the cop pulled the pistol, and raised it to point it at Brown, Brown could have seen the cop's hand and gun, grabbed at it and there could be the discharge of the gun into the dash or other area of the car. Brown was probably defending himself from being shot point blank. I know if I were close to someone and they pulled a pistol on me, I'd grab for the hand or the gun as a defense maneuver.
Wow!
:doh
Brown had no right to refuse arrest and to assault the Officer trying to carry out that arrest.


Who initiated the confrontation? the cop being an asshole by hitting Brown with the squad car door, or the guy not walking on the sidewalk?
You bought into bs.
Where are the marks from the autopsy showing Brown was hit with the door?
Because if that was true you know damn well the scheme team would be all over that shouting it to high heavens.


Wilson didn't know about the theft at the time of the confrontation, do some reading about what transpired.

And again, Google Chrome is your friend.

According to Johnson, after Officer Wilson told the two men to get on the sidewalk, he slammed his brakes, put his car into reverse, and attempted to open the door of his police car. The door hit Brown and then bounced shut again. In an interview with MSNBC last week, Johnson described how Wilson reached out and grabbed Brown by the neck. The altercation became like a “tug-of-war,” with Wilson trying to pull Brown inside the car and Brown pulling away.

LOOK IT UP.
Showing again that you do not know what you are talking about.
The initial contact was over their being in the street. Then the Officer disengaged and drove off some. Only to learn of the robbery and the suspects in which he returned and engage.

What do you think the words "after" and "reverse" mean in your quote?
It means the initial contact was already over.
 
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Brown was 35 feet away from the cruiser when he dropped face down ... that much we do know. Wilson never lost control of his weapon. He could have easily had the time to draw his Taser while the kids ran that far away.
Nonsense. Brown already established himself as a lethal was a threat. You do not holster your already drawn weapon until that threat has been put under control.


All police training protocols call for only non-deadly force to be used when pursuing an un-armed suspect on foot.
And you seem to think he didn't? There is no actual evidence that he fired on him as he fled or that any protocol was violated.
He turned and resumed being a lethal threat. Which is another thing you do not seem to understand. This is one incident that happened over a matter of seconds where Brown had already established himself as a lethal threat. That did not change or go away.


The bolded part is the only logical conclusion that can be drawn from Wilson's actions ignoring the procedural protocols of pursuit on foot down a busy street.
You know not of what you speak.


Six shots against an un-armed man?
Sound like rage to me.
No it doesn't.
And you know it.


Wilson lost his deadly threat status when he ran away from the cruiser ...and the gun he never got hold of.
No he didn't. Stop speaking about things you know not.
He already established himself as a lethal threat, and that does not go away until the person has been subdued and under control.

Even if Brown had gotten away he would be known as a lethal threat until the moment he is subdued and under control.


Something made him jerk his body as he ran ...At least three different eye-witnesses saw that happen.
That wound was determined by the forensic autopsy analysis to have been received either from the front or the back.
That wound was determined to have been made from the front. Which could have been in the front or the back of the arm as it moved through its travel.

But the meaningless/fake/incomplete/non-official autopsy made it clear all shots came from the front of Brown.

And as for those eyewitnesses? :doh iLOL
Darian spun a tale. It was false and sounded contrived. Those that came later repeated the same story he spewed.
Nothing more than that. Those account will not be able to stand up to scrutiny.


The police union lawyer told Wilson not to write anything almost immediately after the homicide, is what I read.
Link?


Copy and paste it into your browser...It's a file access not a web site.
It will work.

Do you really not realize that you are providing an address that is located on your computer that only you, some one you allow access, and a hacker can get?
Wth do you think the following means?
file:///C:/Users/xLiL WeEzYyx/Documents ... etc...
It is on your C: Drive, in your Documents folder.


Brown's autopsy report did not show any abrasions on his knees . He was wearing shorts. He was not attacking when he dropped. He was surrendering.
He was murdered.
You have no idea what that non-Official fake/meaningless/autopsy says, other than what they wanted you to know and believe.
And the unscripted, un-coached spontaneous witness already told you that he was running towards the officer. That is not surrendering.
So stop with the untruths, nonsense and illogical conclusions.


I am not "giddy" that a kid was murdered . I have two sons of my own. I am disgusted that this kid was murdered.
As he wasn't murdered. You are disgusted over your own illogical thoughts.


If he was running as the defense claim states ...his knees would be scrapped.
You do not know that, and can not know that as that does not happen every time.




Why do people say things they don't mean?

I will be back to talk to Y'all when the Grand Jury indicts Wilson for second degree murder.
Oh G_d. Please let the above be true.

Ferguson police most definitely DO carry Tasers;
Nope. Wasn't true as almost everything else said wasn't.


Were does that say they carry tasers now?
 
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Here is the correct link to Police Chief Magazine that shows a table for rules of force.
Clearly it shows that an un-armed suspect should not be dealt with using lethal force... Something Wilson completely disregarded.
Sorry for any confusion...
Police Chief Magazine - View Article

:lamo:lamo:lamo:2wave:
 
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Here is the correct link to Police Chief Magazine that shows a table for rules of force.
Clearly it shows that an un-armed suspect should not be dealt with using lethal force... Something Wilson completely disregarded.
Sorry for any confusion...
Police Chief Magazine - View Article

:lamo:lamo:lamo:2wave:

That's only for taser/electronic device use.

Kinda hard to employ that against a fleeing suspect.

Next attempt at (not) justifying using *lethal force* against a fleeing suspect? (Which taser/electronic devices are never considered.)
 
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Here is the correct link to Police Chief Magazine that shows a table for rules of force.
Clearly it shows that an un-armed suspect should not be dealt with using lethal force... Something Wilson completely disregarded.
Sorry for any confusion...
Police Chief Magazine - View Article

:lamo:lamo:lamo:2wave:

You forgot one in that article:
Deadly-Force Resistance The subject’s actions are likely to cause death or significant bodily harm to the officer or another person.
 
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After seeing the crowds of peaceful protesters with police rifles trained on them, no thanks, I think I'll be keeping my distance from the Ferguson police.
You keep forgetting the critical component. I want to see those eeeeevil policemen all pull back and let you and the rest of the protesters and rioters and looters all share the town. That doesnt seem to appeal to you for some reason.
 
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