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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

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Fenton said:
My opinion is at least consistent with the autopsy results.

You want to know who's opinion is absolutely worthless ? Yours.

Especially when you consider the embellishments you've added.
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I am not on the Grand Jury either ...but all of my assertions are consistent with the available evidence.
 
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Fenton said:
Even CNN is starting to question his credibility now as a witness.
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As long as the Grand Jury doesn't question his credibility what CNN questions doesn't matter.
 
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Sabanist said:
No, in the narrative that has been discussed. Brown was running at the officer. You think he was running straight up and down as in a light jog.

10 yards can be traveled while running in a matter of seconds. Given the adrenaline that brown likely had pumping through his veins, ill bet he moved like a running back
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I'll bet he couldn't.
 
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Fenton said:
LOL !!

He's only " credible " to the people that made up their minds on day one that this kid was murdered.

Your desperate attempt to perpetuate that false narrative is proof of that
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The Grand Jury has no no reason to doubt a word of Johnson's account of the events on he day that this kid was murdered.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Wrong ...Wrong ... Wrong...
Dorian 's record is he stole a box from an apartment complex and when confronted with it he fessed up. That is the extent of his "record".
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:lamo

If he "fessed up", then why was there an outstanding warrant for failing to appear in court to answer to the theft charge?

Also, he pled guilty to filing a false report for lying about who he was to the police when arrested for the theft charge.
 
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Fenton said:
Lol...

You" watched it " ?

Then how on earth could you continue to perpetuate the BS " shot in the back " narrative ?
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The eye witness accounts that Brown was wounded from behind while running away are not inconsistent with the available evidence.
Yeah I watched it. The forensic doctors agreed that the direction of the grazing wound could not be determined.
 
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Fenton said:
Its not likely that his lapses in memory would include substantial embellishments.
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As I understand things, the brain automatically fills in blanks, sometimes.

Like I said, possible but unlikely.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
The eye witness accounts that Brown was wounded from behind while running away are not inconsistent with the available evidence.
Yeah I watched it. The forensic doctors agreed that the direction of the grazing wound could not be determined.
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Depending on when the round that hit him from an undetermined direction took place in the sequence of events/shots, it is possible that he got turned around by the impacts and that's why one of them hit him from behind/the side.
 
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Derp said:
:lamo

If he "fessed up", then why was there an outstanding warrant for failing to appear in court to answer to the theft charge?

Also, he pled guilty to filing a false report for lying about who he was to the police when arrested for the theft charge.
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He failed to appear at his sentencing hearing.
He gave the name Derick Johnson instead of Dorian Johnson. He didn't even lie about his last name.
Those are the facts about Johnson's "record".
 
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Cryptic said:
Then why was he stopped? And if Wilson stopped them for a serious offense, why did he not call it in?

In all probability, the two men were stopped for walking down the middle of the street. They were violating a law and then given a lawful order by a police officer.

This fact pattern support's Wilson's position. What then goes off on a tangent is that a macho contest quickly ensued.
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Buck Ewer said:
I am not on the Grand Jury either ...but all of my assertions are consistent with the available evidence.
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The hell they are.

Tell us again how Brown was " shot in the back "
 
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Cryptic said:
Then why was he stopped? And if Wilson stopped them for a serious offense, why did he not call it in?

In all probability, the two men were stopped for walking down the middle of the street. They were violating a law and then given a lawful order by a police officer.

This fact pattern support's Wilson's position. What then goes off on a tangent is that a macho contest quickly ensued.
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Buck Ewer said:
As long as the Grand Jury doesn't question his credibility what CNN questions doesn't matter.
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As long as the false narrative gets perpetuated and you get a trial and conviction you mean.

Also, a witnesses credibility in Court CAN be questioned and mitigated on the basis of prior criminal activity.
 
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The Mark said:
Depending on when the round that hit him from an undetermined direction took place in the sequence of events/shots, it is possible that he got turned around by the impacts and that's why one of them hit him from behind/the side.
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Brown was running away when eyewitnesses said he flinched or jerked with a gunshot sound. He then turned towards Wilson and asked him not to shoot raising his hands and going down on his knees. He fell face down in the street facing the gunman.
By all accounts the turning was vouluntary
 
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Cryptic said:
Then why was he stopped? And if Wilson stopped them for a serious offense, why did he not call it in?

In all probability, the two men were stopped for walking down the middle of the street. They were violating a law and then given a lawful order by a police officer.

This fact pattern support's Wilson's position. What then goes off on a tangent is that a macho contest quickly ensued.
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Buck Ewer said:
He failed to appear at his sentencing hearing.
He gave the name Derick Johnson instead of Dorian Johnson. He didn't even lie about his last name.
Those are the facts about Johnson's "record".
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He was sentenced ? For what ?
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Brown was running away when eyewitnesses said he flinched or jerked with a gunshot sound. He then turned towards Wilson and asked him not to shoot raising his hands and going down on his knees. He fell face down in the street facing the gunman.
By all accounts the turning was voluntarily
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IF things went as described by these eyewitnesses.

He should not have been shot more than the 1st round, if things occurred as you describe.
 
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Cryptic said:
Then why was he stopped? And if Wilson stopped them for a serious offense, why did he not call it in?

In all probability, the two men were stopped for walking down the middle of the street. They were violating a law and then given a lawful order by a police officer.

This fact pattern support's Wilson's position. What then goes off on a tangent is that a macho contest quickly ensued.
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Buck Ewer said:
Brown was running away when eyewitnesses said he flinched or jerked with a gunshot sound. He then turned towards Wilson and asked him not to shoot raising his hands and going down on his knees. He fell face down in the street facing the gunman.
By all accounts the turning was vouluntary
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That's such BS.

Thats Johnson's sccount.

The known liar and criminal.
 
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Fenton said:
The hell they are.

Tell us again how Brown was " shot in the back "
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I never said that Brown was " shot in the back"...
I said he could have been wounded from behind by the grazing bullet.
That is not inconsistent with what the forensic doctors said.
There are three eye witnesses that saw Brown jerk while he was running away, as though he had been hit.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
I never said that Brown was " shot in the back"...
I said he could have been wounded from behind by the grazing bullet.
That is not inconsistent with what the forensic doctors said.
There are three eye witnesses that saw Brown jerk while he was running away, as though he had been hit.
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Thats not what Johnson said.
 
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Fenton said:
Also, a witnesses credibility in Court CAN be questioned and mitigated on the basis of prior criminal activity.
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If Johnson's record was related to a shooting or a violent encounter with a patrol car...maybe. The lie he told at his arrest was about his identity and he didn't do a very good job at that. It's highly doubtful that a judge would permit that record in Wilson's trial.
 
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Fenton said:
Thats not what Johnson said.
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Yet, apparently, Johnson is not the only witness, if Buck is correct.

I think we basically don't' know either way, and making a definite conclusion yet is ill advised.
 
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Fenton said:
Thats not what Johnson said.
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Johnson thought his friend had been shot in the back because ( like at least two other witnesses) he saw him jerk while he was running away from gunfire. He even stated that he saw some of browns blood at that time.
He never got a chance to examine his friends body after the homicide so he could not know exactly where the wound was.
Saying Brown was "shot in the back" is not inconsistent with him being "shot from behind".
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Johnson thought his friend had been shot in the back because ( like at least two other witnesses) he saw him jerk while he was running away from gunfire. He even stated that he saw some of browns blood at that time.
He never got a chance to examine his friends body after the homicide so he could not know exactly where the wound was.
Saying Brown was "shot in the back" is not inconsistent with him being "shot from behind".
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Be interesting to see what claims/data come out of this thing in the next week or so.
 
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The Mark said:
Be interesting to see what claims/data come out of this thing in the next week or so.
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The most interesting thing will be to hear the Grand Jury's recommendation and what the charge will be.
I can't see how they can just let Wilson go without a trial ... there is far too much probable murder evidence for them to do that.
The burden of proof is much much lower than with a trial jury. The GJ only need to agree that there is a "probable cause"or a probability that Wilson murdered without justification ... they don't need to agree "beyond a shadow of a doubt" as with a criminal trial jury.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
The most interesting thing will be to hear the Grand Jury's recommendation and what the charge will be.
I can't see how they can just let Wilson go without a trial ... there is far too much probable murder evidence for them to do that.
The burden of proof is much much lower than with a trial jury. The GJ only need to agree that there is a "probable cause"or a probability that Wilson murdered without justification ... they don't need to agree "beyond a shadow of a doubt" as with a criminal trial jury.
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But holy **** will this be a circus.
 
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The Mark said:
But holy **** will this be a circus.
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It will be followed every day on the news that is to be sure.
A circus? that depends largely on whether or not the judge will allow cameras in the courtroom ... Missouri State Operating Rule 16 does allow cameras in all Missouri courtrooms since 1995 but ultimately it is up to the individual judge.
There will be a LOT of witnesses and effectively the whole Ferguson police department will be, to some degree, on trial.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
It will be followed every day on the news that is to be sure.
A circus? that depends largely on whether or not the judge will allow cameras in the courtroom ... Missouri State Operating Rule 16 does allow cameras in all Missouri courtrooms since 1995 but ultimately it is up to the individual judge.
There will be a LOT of witnesses.
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You know damn well it will be a circus even without cameras, even if all reporters are banned from the courtroom (if that's legal)
 
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