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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

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Witnesses in the area were under stress? That's a good one. :funny

If they had just been around gunshots and seen a man killed in front of them?

Wow.:doh
 
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Accidental? No, I'm sure Wilson desired impact to stop the threat. Was the intended target? Cant say. They are the ones that did indeed *stop* him.

But standard police procedure...and for ANYONE trying to save their own life...you aim for the largest target...the chest area for the best chance of hitting the attacker.

So now it's the cop tried to shoot him in the head, but missed repeatedly because he was aiming at the largest part of the human body.

this discussion is going nowhere,
I'm stepping out to the whiksey bar, have a nice evening. :peace
 
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So now it's the cop tried to shoot him in the head, but missed repeatedly because he was aiming at the largest part of the human body.

this discussion is going nowhere,
I'm stepping out to the whiksey bar, have a nice evening. :peace

No, dont put words in my posts.

There is conflicting info from the autopsies but some info released indicates Brown was falling when hit in the head. If so, we dont know where the cop was aiming....he was perhaps lucky just to get him in the arm and then Brown's own momentum carried him down and into target range. We dont know. (You certainly dont)

You choose to make assumptions that 'prove' your belief in what happened. Those assumptions are far from actually being proven.
 
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How does a person who just got socked in the eye, with the damage they said he sustained, aim and fire that many rounds. He must be superpig or something.

Ignoring the ignorance of your need to be flippant and disrespectful on such a serious subject, couldn't the damage/trauma to his eye cause bleariness and that could explain why it took upwards of six shots for a trained police officer to incapacitate Brown. It might also explain the number of shots that hit Brown in the right arm when it's common knowledge that police are trained to aim for the torso when shooting to incapacitate a dangerous person.

Perhaps if you keep posting, you might actually unexpectedly come to the right conclusion.
 
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You really dont get it, do you? Unless you are under extreme stress on your couch or in your bed? :lamo

You continue to reinforce my point.

One witness said two groups of four. Another said at least eight . Another said they heard ten shots.
The autopsy says six individual shots with two accounted for in the body. At least one recovered from a house across the street from the shooting.
The police report didn't say much anything else but it did say four to six shots were fired ...and they had the damn gun!
The exact number of shots fired at Brown will only likely be known at trial.
 
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One witness said two groups of four. Another said at least eight . Another said they heard ten shots.
The autopsy says six individual shots with two accounted for in the body. At least one recovered from a house across the street from the shooting.
The police report didn't say much anything else but it did say four to six shots were fired ...and they had the damn gun!
The exact number of shots fired at Brown will only likely be known at trial.

Funny, I already said that.

You agree that you were wrong about the accurate counting of shots...this entire post proves it. Thanks.
 
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Funny, I already said that.

You agree that you were wrong about the accurate counting of shots...this entire post proves it. Thanks.

I never said any specific number of shots were fired ... only that there were at least six and possibly as many as ten.
You must have me confused with somebody else ...AJiveMan perhaps?
 
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What would be Johnson's reason to lie?
The only time he stumbled looking for the words was when he described the door as "ricocheting" instead of saying Brown pushed it back.
What would he gain by perjuring himself? What is he supposed to be "covering " himself from?
Johnson's account of the events has remained consistent through many tellings and he never hesitated on any detail except for the "ricochet" line.

Yeah, consistent...
According to Johnson, the officer pursued Brown and fired another shot. which struck Brown in the back. He said Brown turned and faced the officer with his hands raised.

Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front.
 
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From that article, it seems some very important information is missing. I hope they will be compelled to provide it during the grand jury.

They won't have any choice.
 
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You saying that his knees would never touch the pavement if he was cut down at a full run?
That would be what is called a full scorpion on Ridiculousness. Not a likely posture for a 300 dude to take when he was only running on foot..

I am saying what the media reported. Michael Brown had scrapes on his face.
 
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Really? Why?

Here we have a situation with conflicting evidence, racially charged to the point of rioting and the police and two weeks later, the police, already suspect, fail to meet the terms and conditions of the laws under which they are governed. and there is no cause for suspicion there? We are to assume that nothing is being hidden?

Sorry, for justice to be done, justice needs to bee seen to be done. Their position on what happened has changed several time and now has been redacted, contrary to state law. Please, fill in a blank for me, with the streets a war zone, tanks, snipers and RPG's deployed, rioting and racial tensions for nearly two weeks, what possible and legitimate reason could the police have for redacting what is, by law, a public document?

The people of Ferguson deserve the truth, a boy is dead under suspicious circumstances made more circumspect by what appears to be a deliberate attempt to conceal evidence. The police have insulted those people, their intelligence and stolen their dignity by this shameful, corrupt attempt to obstruct justice.
Well said Fearandloathing.
There is nothing that the Ferguson police have done that puts an iota of confidence in their ability to perform their jobs in an honest and competent manner.
It's almost as though they have given up on any appearance of propriety and wish only to be seen stonewalling and strong-arming any attempt to find the truth.
The "blue line" has been drawn tightly around their desire to protect one of their own.
 
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The public can and will speculate. An organization collectively deciding to throw out information... Thats a whole other ball of wax.

I mean the whole cigar theft crap. It had absolutely zero bearing on the shooting and the police chief acknowledged this saying the shooter cop knew nothing about it when the shooting happened... Looks like a severe sad diversion attempt to sway public opinion.

This is standard operating procedure and has been since the first cop killed the first civilian. The first thing to come out is the "crime" that was committed. Note that they and all police, say "he stole a box of cigars" when they have only suspicion, no conviction. That immediately makes the victim into a criminal in the minds of the public "jury".

Next, we get the rap sheet, real or imagined. We never, even at trial, learn about any "errors" in that list; as a reporter for 30 years it has been my experience that that list is always wrong.

In this one, the story is all over the place, six shots? Two hit their target? From what distance? If the kid was going for the cop's gun, could he have been so far away that the cop, presumably competent with a firearm, misses four times?

There are massive discrepancies in the official version and the usual varying information from witnesses. News flash, witnesses are the moist unreliable evidence; in a case where guns actually get fired and people actually dies with real blood oozing out on to the street, for most average citizens the shock is a bit overwhelming and they do not know what they are seeing and hearing, heard shots are completely unreliable because most times they don't hear all of them, and often "hear" the echo off buildings as a shot.

It is pointless to argue the details, none is reliable, not the witnesses, not the cops and the cops appear not to want us to know.
 
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This is seemingly taking forever to get basic questions answered. I wonder how the AG is going to spend his weekend in St. Louie?

Asking Sharpton and Jackson for pointers.
 
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One witness said two groups of four. Another said at least eight . Another said they heard ten shots.
The autopsy says six individual shots with two accounted for in the body. At least one recovered from a house across the street from the shooting.
The police report didn't say much anything else but it did say four to six shots were fired ...and they had the damn gun!
The exact number of shots fired at Brown will only likely be known at trial.

Agreed. Apologies.
 
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Yeah, consistent...
If you watched the entirety of Baden's press conference you would know that he pointed out that the graze wound on the right fore-arm may have been fired from in front or from behind Brown and that there is no way to tell.
Several witnesses said that they saw Brown flinch as though he was hit while running away from Wilson's gun fire and that he turned and faced Wilson only after that occurred. That is consistent with what Johnson recounted as well.
" In the back " is not inconsistent with "shot from behind".
 
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It's in the OP article....altho the article isnt verified either.

Ok...what information is missing and how does the missing information prove a cover-up? Call me crazy, but I'm not sold just because and ACLU lawyer says so.
 
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Ok...what information is missing and how does the missing information prove a cover-up? Call me crazy, but I'm not sold just because and ACLU lawyer says so.

Sorry, I dont plan to read the OP and article for you. It's clearly stated.

I never said anything about a cover-up and I cant verify the article. But you can draw your own conclusions if you actually read the article that is the basis for the thread you are posting in.
 
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Look at the "strong armed robbery" report and compare it to the homicide report. Same department, same day, same procedural rules... Night and day as far as amount of content is concerned.

I'm not looking at anything. YOU tell me what's wrong with the report and explain how that proves a cover-up.
 
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Asking Sharpton and Jackson for pointers.

It is highly unlikely that the top law enforcement officer in the country would ask political commentators for any pointers...
...but your cheap shot, political hackishness has been duly noted.
 
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Sorry, I dont plan to read the OP and article for you. It's clearly stated.

I never said anything about a cover-up and I cant verify the article. But you can draw your own conclusions if you actually read the article that is the basis for the thread you are posting in.

You shouldn't have responded to my post, in that case.
 
Re: ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

So now it's the cop tried to shoot him in the head, but missed repeatedly because he was aiming at the largest part of the human body.

this discussion is going nowhere,
I'm stepping out to the whiksey bar, have a nice evening. :peace

Long Island Tea. Vodka, Gin, Rum, Tequila, Triple Sec, Sweet & Sour, a splash of Coke, and a lemon twist!!
 
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I'm not looking at anything. YOU tell me what's wrong with the report and explain how that proves a cover-up.
Your laziness is not very becoming... the form lacked anything that would describe the events beyond time and date and who was dispatched where and when. They obviously did not want to commit to any items that could be disputed or found incriminating. A cover-up of omissions.
See it here;

http://www.wgal.com/blob/view/-/2750...report-pdf.pdf
 
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I'm not looking at anything. YOU tell me what's wrong with the report and explain how that proves a cover-up.

You won't look at anything? So you want someone else to do all the work for you so you can sit back and just shoot everything down without having to make any effort to try and find out the truth.
 
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You won't look at anything? So you want someone else to do all the work for you so you can sit back and just shoot everything down without having to make any effort to try and find out the truth.
It's called drive-by trolling ...
I put the link right in front of him. Any refusal to look at it now is pure intellectual laziness.
 
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Is it possible there's a systemic problem in the county? From the link above, I found this . . . another officer suspended for posting a video saying this:



Suspended St. Louis Police Officer: "I'm Into Diversity, I Kill Everybody"

That's certainly inexcusable . . .

I can't figure out what this has to do with Wilson.

When I was in the Army we had guys that talked smack like that all the time. I told the people in my platoon to stay away from them. They freeze up or become bullet magnets or both. They usually freeze up. That is the last guy I wanted me or my folks to be around. The stupid meter goes off the chart.
 
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