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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

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I am not "giddy" that a kid was murdered . I have two sons of my own. I am disgusted that this kid was murdered.

Sharon? That you?
 
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Here;
Table 1: Use-of-Force Continuum

Doesnt cover when a suspect is fleeing and may comprise a danger to public safety.

Like I said...nuthin'.
 
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The police instigated the looting?

M'k

The protesters showed up peaceful. The looters, the larcenist and the arsonists, are not the protesters and shouldn't be confused as such. They are criminals and should be dealt with accordingly. Whereas, the protesters standing along the side of the street with their hands up in the air were staring down the barrels of automatic weapons (similar to M4's) held by what looked like the army in Fallujah atop their MRAP's, rather then police.
 
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What about those folk that have already declared the killing was justified? See how that works?

If you've already decided without knowing what happened, then you are just going with the outcome you want, not the truth. That's how it works. You can suppose based on what we know. The first report I heard from CBS, I thought the cop just executed some poor kid in the street, for no reason at all. The more that comes out, the less I think that is what happened. Some people here have decided that is what happened and will be stuck on stupid for the duration.
 
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If he was running as the defense claim states ...his knees would be scrapped.
That is speculative. Saying they "would be" is not the only possibility.
 
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The protesters showed up peaceful. The looters, the larcenist and the arsonists, are not the protesters and shouldn't be confused as such. They are criminals and should be dealt with accordingly. Whereas, the protesters standing along the side of the street with their hands up in the air were staring down the barrels of automatic weapons (similar to M4's) held by what looked like the army in Fallujah atop their MRAP's, rather then police.
When on riot patrol, that is exactly what police look like. And for very good reason.
 
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If you've already decided without knowing what happened, then you are just going with the outcome you want, not the truth. That's how it works. You can suppose based on what we know. The first report I heard from CBS, I thought the cop just executed some poor kid in the street, for no reason at all. The more that comes out, the less I think that is what happened. Some people here have decided that is what happened and will be stuck on stupid for the duration.

True. But you failed to point out that some people here have decided Wilson is innocent of wrong doing. They would be stuck on stupid as well. But they didn't get a mention!
 
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The protesters showed up peaceful. The looters, the larcenist and the arsonists, are not the protesters and shouldn't be confused as such. They are criminals and should be dealt with accordingly. Whereas, the protesters standing along the side of the street with their hands up in the air were staring down the barrels of automatic weapons (similar to M4's) held by what looked like the army in Fallujah atop their MRAP's, rather then police.

Ah, then the response to a riot should be soft pillows for shields and Nerf swords for batons.

And the tear Gas should be replaced with sparklers.
 
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You have the same handicap, or are you boots on the ground in Ferguson. Doesn't seem to prevent you from making false declarations!
Thats probably why I havent made a declaration of right or wrong...merely think people that do without all the facts are douchebags. That the news media would even post a story that says..."well...golly...I dont really know what really happened...but...it seems to me that they should have done things different........" speaks volumes of what your beloved paparazzi are all about.

And SINCE there are so many people like you that are so ready to criticize the Law Enforcement folks, I think THEY should withdraw and people like YOU should go spend a week there day and night without police presence. Take people you love and care about...make it a family event.
 
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When on riot patrol, that is exactly what police look like. And for very good reason.

Wow, did you actually read what you quoted. Check it again and make sure that's your best response.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
There is one less poster in this thread. Stop the baiting and personal comments or more will be kicked from the thread and/or infracted.
 
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Wow, did you actually read what you quoted. Check it again and make sure that's your best response.
Here it is...

Whereas, the protesters standing along the side of the street with their hands up in the air were staring down the barrels of automatic weapons (similar to M4's) held by what looked like the army in Fallujah atop their MRAP's, rather then police.
You said that the police in Ferguson looked like the army rather than police. I then pointed out that when police are on riot patrol they are SUPPOSED to look like that. They're dealing with a riot, after all.
 
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Thats probably why I havent made a declaration of right or wrong...merely think people that do without all the facts are douchebags.

And SINCE there are so many people like you that are so ready to criticize the Law Enforcement folks, I think THEY should withdraw and people like YOU should go spend a week there day and night without police presence. Take people you love and care about...make it a family event.

You continue you're fail by equating the criminals that looted and vandalised with the peaceful protesters. It will be fine in the end because two or three Grand Jury's will hear evidence. If there isn't probable cause of wrong doing, and none of the panels return a true bill, that will be the end of it. Justice will have been served. If there is an indictment, then this will go to trial and god only knows when we'll find out how justice will be served. But sooner, or latter, justice will be served in this. In the mean time, some of the people in Ferguson have behaved criminally tarnishing the protests by the peaceful, very unfortunate. The police had a improper response to those who were peaceful. That too is going to be addressed, both by legislation and presidential order. Another good thing that this has netted is the discovery of some very unqualified individuals serving as police in the area, they have been, suspended, relieved of duty or fired.
 
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I'm done for today
I will be back to talk to Y'all when the Grand Jury indicts Wilson for second degree murder.


Love you all.

I disagree with most of your posts Buck but I have to give you credit. You are a very respectful man to those who disagree with you.
 
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Here it is...


You said that the police in Ferguson looked like the army rather than police. I then pointed out that when police are on riot patrol they are SUPPOSED to look like that. They're dealing with a riot, after all.

Except that peaceful demonstrators standing along the road with their hands in the air, ARE NOT RIOTERS! That would be the thugs over yonder committing crimes of arson, larcen and vandalism, who deserve a different treatment then the peaceful protesters do. Ill stay with what the police chief from Minneapolis said on this, while you can hold your own opinion.
 
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Except that peaceful demonstrators standing along the road with their hands in the air, ARE NOT RIOTERS! That would be the thugs over yonder committing crimes of arson, larcen and vandalism, who deserve a different treatment then the peaceful protesters do. Ill stay with what the police chief from Minneapolis said on this, while you can hold your own opinion.
The "peaceful protesters" were in the same proximity as the "rioters". They were intermingled and not "over yonder", as you put it. Police have a protocol they follow in situations like this and wearing riot gear is part of that protocol, like it or not.
 
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Can this topic get its own legal thread like the Zimmerman case got?
 
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You continue you're fail by equating the criminals that looted and vandalised with the peaceful protesters.
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As myself and others have pointed out....how are they sorting them all out? The rioters and looters that are mixed in with the peaceful protesters?
 
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Don't lump us all in. I want justice. I feel that Wilson is probably in the right given the small amount we know, but if he isn't he should face the same consequences as any other person who kills an unarmed person.
Ah, but if you actually want justice, then you already agree that justice =/= your opinion, so there's no issue.

Although I admit I was a bit fed up with the partisans at the time of that post.
 
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Why would he supposedly be going for Wilson's gun if he already had one?

I didn't say that Brown or his friend had a gun, only that Officer Wilson had not determined that.

In 1995 the Supreme Court ruled that it was illegal for police anywhere to use their guns in a foot pursuit of a felon.

According to Ten. V. Gardner:

Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

Tennessee v. Garner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I remind you that the Officer was just attacked by Brown.

Now stop turn and get running at full speed again get shot five times and drop within 35 feet of where you started... Fourty feet is too short maybe more like fifty five feet..
How long do you think it takes for a professional policeman to holster their weapon and draw their Taser?

What does it matter? It is the Officer's call. Not yours. But let's go through it. We've determined that it took me 4 seconds to cover approximately 40 feet, (and that is slow as I am a 52 year old out of shape trucker), with that in mind I'd say a cop could probably holster his gun in about 2 seconds, and pull the taser (if he had one) in about the same, so that is 4 seconds...Too late, perp is on top of him.

All cops carry Tasers it's part of the uniform equipment belt. There would be at least one more in the cruiser.

I don't know that to be true. Can you cite the Ferguson police dept. issue manifest?


Why? Because nearly everything you are putting forth is pure speculation. You are ofcourse free to do that, but don't get all butt hurt when you are wrong, and people laugh out loud at you.

I am offering my opinion and defending it on an internet site and I'm not breaking any of the rules here.

You're offering an opinion all right...and NO ONE said you were breaking any rules, if I thought you were I'd report it and let the moderation team figure it out. But, you seem to be entrenched in your own speculation to the point of dismissing facts that don't fit the vitriol you want to spew at the officer...Way too much anger to be objective.

Just like you .

You should be so lucky to be anything like me.

Prove to me that they are not.

Instant loss of debate...Asking me to prove a negative is weak stick, and a loser argument. I asked you to back up your claim, you obviously can't so what do you do? Just repeat the same claim as if it's fact....

like here:

Tasers are standard equipment on all police forces.

How very dishonest of you.
 
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Ah, then the response to a riot should be soft pillows for shields and Nerf swords for batons.

And the tear Gas should be replaced with sparklers.

That would be police brutality!!! Never mind the rioters are throwing molotovs that can kill people.
 
That would be police brutality!!! Never mind the rioters are throwing molotovs that can kill people.


Thats what the Nerf swords are for.

To beat out the fire when there's a direct hit on a fellow officer.
 
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Ah, but if you actually want justice, then you already agree that justice =/= your opinion, so there's no issue.

Although I admit I was a bit fed up with the partisans at the time of that post.

My view of what little is known is that he could be innocent more so than he is guilty.

What I know is that my opinion is subject to change when provided with sufficient evidence of his guilt. :)

To be fair I have seen SOME, but not enough, evidence to indicate that he acted incorrectly. But we will see.
 
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The "peaceful protesters" were in the same proximity as the "rioters". They were intermingled and not "over yonder", as you put it. Police have a protocol they follow in situations like this and wearing riot gear is part of that protocol, like it or not.

Military hardware and turtle gear with automatic weapons and mine resistant vehicles is hardly what was needed as stated and quoted in this thread by the police chiefs of both Seattle and Minneapolis, I'll stick with their comments supported by their training, experience and expertise and you can stick with your opinion.

Btw, why is peaceful protesters in quotations, you denying that there were any?
 
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Since the fatal shooting of Michael Brown and police crackdown on protests related to that shooting China, Russia, Iran, and Egypt have all commented on Ferguson being emblematic of racism and police brutality in the USA and noting the hypocrisy of a country that lectures others on human rights while having such brutal displays of human rights abuses occur at home.

While the unrest has also shocked American observers and foreign correspondents from other Western democracies — including British and German reporters who have been struck by the “sounds of battle” and endured arrest — some of the most strident criticism of the police violence in Ferguson has come from authoritarian nations where the police are often venerated and dissent is scarcely tolerated.
 
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