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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

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Buck Ewer said:
I think it is fairly obvious that this kid was not thinking his actions through very clearly that day.
He was 18 years old and his friend is 22 ...I'm sure he was trying to impress his older friend with how tough he could be. That kind of thing seems to be pretty important to teenage black kids.
 Keep in mind that he graduated high school, had a clean police record and was due to start vocational school in a few weeks. he had a dream of starting his own business one day.
I'm not saying that he was an angel. He made some really stupid bad decisions that day...
But he did not deserve to be murdered and I believe he was.
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Not really, as a teen, me and friends thought we were the bad asses of the neighborhood, we weren't a gang, 2 black and 3 whites, we thought we were invincible.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
I think it is fairly obvious that this kid was not thinking his actions through very clearly that day.
He was 18 years old and his friend is 22 ...I'm sure he was trying to impress his older friend with how tough he could be. That kind of thing seems to be pretty important to teenage black kids.
Keep in mind that he graduated high school, had a clean police record and was due to start vocational school in a few weeks. he had a dream of starting his own business one day.
I'm not saying that he was an angel. He made some really stupid bad decisions that day...
But he did not deserve to be murdered and I believe he was.
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actually he got what he deserved.. one less animal thug on the street.

You can cry for the loss here.. Im sure if it was officer wilson who got killed it would not even be a story..just another "black kills white" NON story..
 
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you people kill me.
first he was running away(which turned out to be a lie) then he had his hands up(which judging by the bullet wounds seems implausible) and now they are hyper focusing on how many shots were fired. They are all experts on EXACTLY how many shots it takes to bring down a charging 300 pound man. You people just can't admit your arguments are becoming thinner and thinner and the cop is looking less and less guilty with every new bit of info that comes out.

don't rationalize it, deal with it.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Cops wear halos.
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well.. when I need help I call a cop.. I dont call Ludicriss or DMX...

Obama wants to take our guns so we can be defensless..
 
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AJiveMan said:
Cops wear halos.
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nice lyrics about beating a girls sexual organs and knocking her out ...

did you listen and read the lyrics?

I bet you would if it was officer Wilson and you can prove this was "his thoughts"
 
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Buck Ewer said:
All police training protocols call for only non-deadly force to be used when pursuing an un-armed suspect on foot.

Ask any cop.
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Sources please? Police are allowed to shoot fleeing suspects, including those unarmed, if they have a legitimate belief they are a threat to public safety. THey can also use it against an unarmed attacker....and since so far evidence does NOT indicate that Brown was shot from the back...this could still be a legitimate shoot.

And I've worked with 3 urban police depts...I have asked a cop. :doh
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Tasers are standard issue for all police forces. Show me that he didn't have one.
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*sigh* please back up that statement with some sources.
 
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Travis007 said:
I dont care.. Mike Brown is a loser.. a thug.. lesson here is "attack a cop and you will get shot"....
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No, that cant be the lesson here. Attack a cop with deadly force will get one shot. Humiliating a cop via "slapping him away", is not a capital offense.

It can get one pepper sprayed and put in a compliance hold though. And that it what should have happened to Brown.
 
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If I rob a store, then punch a cop.. try to get the cops gun.. then run.. then turn and rush the beaten, unable to see correctly from the blow I gave the cop to the eye weakened cop ... I can EXPECT TO BE SHOT..

Only a fool thinks otherwise and would justify my actions.. and then go burn down the town
 
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Lursa said:
*sigh* please back up that statement with some sources.
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amazing isnt it?.. who knows if he had a tazer. but we do know Brown tried to get the officers gun
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Do you think you could make that time if you just had a struggle and a fight through an open car door window with a cop and you were a heavy smoker?
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Yes....adreneline pumping thru people's systems overcomes all sorts of normal physical limitations.

And apparently he was a healthy 19 yr old, doing something 300 lb football players can do.
 
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Cryptic said:
No, that cant be the lesson here. Attack a cop with deadly force will get one shot. Humiliating a cop via "slapping him away", is not a capital offense.

It can get one pepper sprayed and put in a compliance hold though. And that it what should have happened to Brown.
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or ya get shot..

actually attacking a cop is a felony.. period..
 
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Buck Ewer said:
According to the cops story he would have had to run at least 40 feet away to be "charging " back in his direction and drop at 35 feet from the car.If you think about it he probably would have had to run more than 40 feet away . Don't forget he had to stop and turn and then build up speed again to be a threat.
If you used your gun to shoot an un-armed suspect running away down a busy city street at noon you would be in the same trouble Wilson is in.
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So just more made up ****?

No statements, evidence, or reports to back up distance? Jeebus.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Six shots against an un-armed man?
Sound like rage to me.
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Baseless accusation. You have 0 evidence to back that up. You are reaching to accuse Wilson of murder.
 
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Lursa said:
So just more made up ****?

No statements, evidence, or reports to back up distance? Jeebus.
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his source is "air" mixed with Rev Al's stench with a twist of CNN
 
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opendebate said:
Wow, you have completely bought the BS you've been fed from RW media about this. Damn, that's downright sad.
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Spare me, I have been criticized here for not being pro-cop and not being willing to blindly back Wilson's apparent claims. Now, you jump on me because I reject CNN's propaganda of the "go lucky gentle giant".

Hard core partisans on both side often demand full acceptance of their biased views.
 
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Travis007 said:
10 yards is very close... Im 50+ and I can do it in seconds
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I guess I didn't think it all the way through. The news reported the 35 foot distance which I believe to be accurate because his body and the police cruiser remained in position for about 5 hours.
To be running at full speed back at Wilson Brown would need more than 5 feet to get going . Probably more like 10 or 15, putting his distance to run at more like 55 feet. He was a heavy smoker and just had a tussle with a cop through the window of the SUV where he had to break free before he could start running.
Now for the record I don't believe he ran back towards Wilson at all . I believe that he turned and was shot almost immediately and surrendered when he found out this cop was playing for real and he felt the burn of his flesh being ripped away. I believe that at that point, consistent with at least three eye-witnesses he was going down on the ground hands up, when the last two shots were fired.
He was wearing shorts and he had no abrasions on his knees indicating that he went down slowly not at a full run as some have suggested. One shot entering his right eye socket going through his jaw and into his chest just above his collar-bone.
The next going through the very top of his head and lodging in the front part of his brain, as per the autopsy.
It was this last and the only lethal shot that makes this a murder. Had Wilson stopped firing after the eye shot Brown would, most likely, have survived this shooting.
 
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Cryptic said:
No, that cant be the lesson here. Attack a cop with deadly force will get one shot. Humiliating a cop via "slapping him away", is not a capital offense.

It can get one pepper sprayed and put in a compliance hold though. And that it what should have happened to Brown.
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If brown physically attacked a cop...he SHOULD have been shot. The video evidence from the store that he "allegedly" robbed, where the hand goes around the owners throat, would have justified shooting him too.

Someone that large, who reacts violently and intimidatingly to people around them, should expect good citizens not to put up with that kind of storm arming BS. That is the lesson. Don't be a bully and you want get shot.

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Have you ever been pepper sprayed? Ever seen it used? I have some friends in department of corrections, they have to continue fighting while being pepper sprayed as part of their training. Pepper spray doesn't immobilize people. Tasers are only 85% effective, and that also means that the darts have to go in.

At the point of someone trying to take the gun from an officer...you must treat that person as someone who is willing to kill.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Have you put a stopwatch on your holster and draw time yet?
Get back to me when you have those results.
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Um, just another area where you display zero knowledge. Many people who carry guns for self defense practice that all the time....it's called training.

You practice quickly and smoothly moving your clothing out of the way (most will be concealed weapons), removing retention mechanism on holster, drawing, and aiming. And timing it. Your life may depend on it. Many of us even train for competitions doing those very things....TIMED competitions.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
I guess I didn't think it all the way through. The news reported the 35 foot distance which I believe to be accurate because his body and the police cruiser remained in position for about 5 hours.
To be running at full speed back at Wilson Brown would need more than 5 feet to get going . Probably more like 10 or 15, putting his distance to run at more like 55 feet. He was a heavy smoker and just had a tussle with a cop through the window of the SUV where he had to break free before he could start running.
Now for the record I don't believe he ran back towards Wilson at all . I believe that he turned and was shot almost immediately and surrendered when he found out this cop was playing for real and he felt the burn of his flesh being ripped away. I believe that at that point, consistent with at least three eye-witnesses he was going down on the ground hands up, when the last two shots were fired.
He was wearing shorts and he had no abrasions on his knees indicating that he went down slowly not at a full run as some have suggested. One shot entering his right eye socket going through his jaw and into his chest just above his collar-bone.
The next going through the very top of his head and lodging in the front part of his brain, as per the autopsy.
It was this last and the only lethal shot that makes this a murder. Had Wilson stopped firing after the eye shot Brown would, most likely, have survived this shooting.
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12 yards I can run in seconds.. Im over 50.. granted Im very athletic..

all shots were fired with milliseconds of each other.. they hit virtually all within fraction of seconds of ech other..


You are good at wrtiing fiction and what you and Sharpton dream this being.. so far you have no source other then "what you dream this is"
 
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Buck Ewer said:
I guess I didn't think it all the way through. The news reported the 35 foot distance which I believe to be accurate because his body and the police cruiser remained in position for about 5 hours.
To be running at full speed back at Wilson Brown would need more than 5 feet to get going . Probably more like 10 or 15, putting his distance to run at more like 55 feet. He was a heavy smoker and just had a tussle with a cop through the window of the SUV where he had to break free before he could start running.
Now for the record I don't believe he ran back towards Wilson at all . I believe that he turned and was shot almost immediately and surrendered when he found out this cop was playing for real and he felt the burn of his flesh being ripped away. I believe that at that point, consistent with at least three eye-witnesses he was going down on the ground hands up, when the last two shots were fired.
He was wearing shorts and he had no abrasions on his knees indicating that he went down slowly not at a full run as some have suggested. One shot entering his right eye socket going through his jaw and into his chest just above his collar-bone.
The next going through the very top of his head and lodging in the front part of his brain, as per the autopsy.
It was this last and the only lethal shot that makes this a murder. Had Wilson stopped firing after the eye shot Brown would, most likely, have survived this shooting.
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Question: aren't the witness stories changing?

12 yards. That isn't exactly a long way. Especially with open space. And where was the cop standing? Inside the car? At the front? In front of the front? Out in the open? In the window of the car? Lots of questions about location here.
 
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Travis007 said:
I dont care.. Mike Brown is a loser.. a thug.. lesson here is "attack a cop and you will get shot"..sounds to me like this hunk of grabage robbed a store and karma got him..
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Even the principal of what goes around comes around would agree that stealing cigars is not a capital offense.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Even the principal of what goes around comes around would agree that stealing cigars is not a capital offense.
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It isn't...but he wasn't shot for stealing cigars.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Even the principal of what goes around comes around would agree that stealing cigars is not a capital offense.
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I laugh.. like he wasnt a seasoned robber of these type of store.. you live in the fantasy that that was his first robbery..

he was a known thug.. officer Wilson was a known "good person"

again.. how did you like those lyrics?..
 
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stonewall50 said:
Question: aren't the witness stories changing?

12 yards. That isn't exactly a long way. Especially with open space. And where was the cop standing? Inside the car? At the front? In front of the front? Out in the open? In the window of the car? Lots of questions about location here.
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Word is that Wilson got out of the car and took pursuit after Brown ran away. How far he was from Brown when the shootings took place has not been established other than to say that it was not point blank .
 
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