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ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209:785]

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There is no rational reason to suspect such. Until such time, any such assertion belongs in the CT zone.

Yes there is. A society that blindly accepts every piece of crap that comes out of authorities mouth is a society that will cede freedoms.
 
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The rioters showed up for a fight and the cops were obligated to respond.

And to you the same thing. I'll go with what the two retired police chiefs viewed it as.

Ex minneapolis police chief on the Ferguson police response.

"If you come out in the turtle gear and the head gear and the face mask and the riot sticks -- you're dressed for a fight and you're probably going to get one," Dolan said.
 
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And you want to pretend that with disrespectful assholes shoving cameras in your face 24/7 you wouldn't verbally snap every once in a while?

So...have your tickets booked yet? You should go joint the protests and they should pull back all police presence. Send video!

The police don't like to be filmed for obvious reasons. I'm glad they are being filmed and tough **** if they don't like it. Let the next one pull **** and we'll see to it he gets relieved of duty as well.
 
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Yes there is. A society that blindly accepts every piece of crap that comes out of authorities mouth is a society that will cede freedoms.

There is no 'disagreeing' with 'facts'. That 'community' rioted and looted for 3 nights. On the 4th night the police responded and using minimal force completely disbanded the protestors and the first night in 4 days there was no looting or rioting. You can deny it all you want but you can't ignore facts.


The ex Seattle police chief Norman Stamper has the experience that you lack, and he DISAGREES with you.

NS: From a distance, and without having interviewed anyone in Ferguson or talked with anyone on it, just relying on media reports, I would have to characterize the police response as an overreaction. Had you set out to make matters worse, you couldn't have done a better job.

I'm just very, very disappointed and troubled that lessons that we learned in Seattle have not been embraced by American law enforcement in general, by these police departments that are facing mistrust and distrust in their communities in particular. If anything, the police in America belong to the people, not the other way around. As such, they have a responsibility to forge what I would call an authentic partnership with the community where they reject unilateral decision-making. One partner in a partnership just simply does not make unilateral or arbitrary decisions.

Seattle's former police chief speaks out on Ferguson and police militarization - Vox
 
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And to you the same thing. I'll go with what the two retired police chiefs viewed it as.

No, to YOU they're the same thing. You're unable to distinguish between people simply protesting and people breaking the law.
 
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And to you the same thing. I'll go with what the two retired police chiefs viewed it as.

Ex minneapolis police chief on the Ferguson police response.

"If you come out in the turtle gear and the head gear and the face mask and the riot sticks -- you're dressed for a fight and you're probably going to get one," Dolan said.

Minneapolis responds to Ferguson, Missouri shooting, protest - My9 New Jersey
 
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No, to YOU they're the same thing. You're unable to distinguish between people simply protesting and people breaking the law.

Actually, that's your trouble being that there was both there.
 
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It reminds me of the claims during the Zimmerman trial that George was running around, ran into trees and fell and hit his own head on the ground. The black man couldn't have possibly have done it and all the white men are just clumsy oafs.
And they thought that was accurate also.
 
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It is ridiculous to put all your faith in authority that they are doing the right thing and being forthcoming with all information.
There is no rational reason to suspect such. Until such time, any such assertion belongs in the CT zone.
Yes there is. A society that blindly accepts every piece of crap that comes out of authorities mouth is a society that will cede freedoms.
No there isn't. Not one rational reason exists to suspect such.
 
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And they thought that was accurate also.

I'm sure they still do.
 
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No there isn't. Not one rational reason exists to suspect such.

A government and line of authority that run unchecked is never safe. Look at the PATRIOT Act. That expanded the rights of police forces exponentially, and they do not need to disclose any of it. Warrentless searches, indefinite detainment of uncharged people, using illegally obtained evidence in court, etc. Do you see them coming out with the records of who they have detained without arresting them. Do you see them disclosing what was so desperate to find that they bypassed the Constitution. These are just a few examples of why placing your trust in the government and police forces is terrible.
 
ACLU: Ferguson police report on Michael brown's death violates law [W: 209]

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A government and line of authority that run unchecked is never safe. Look at the PATRIOT Act. That expanded the rights of police forces exponentially, and they do not need to disclose any of it. Warrentless searches, indefinite detainment of uncharged people, using illegally obtained evidence in court, etc. Do you see them coming out with the records of who they have detained without arresting them. Do you see them disclosing what was so desperate to find that they bypassed the Constitution. These are just a few examples of why placing your trust in the government and police forces is terrible.
This is about one specific incident.
There exist absolutely no reason to suspect such in regards to this case.
 
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Actually, that's your trouble being that there was both there.

I don't have any trouble with the cops segrigating the rioters from the protesters and busy heads. It would behoove the protesters to make way for the cops to move in and bust heads among the trouble makers.
 
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Being the DNA expert that you are, I am sure you are well aware of the fact that criminality and violence is in the DNA of the black. Liberals understand this better than anyone. That's why liberals don't condemn black thievery and mob violence--they know blacks just cant help themselves.

Holy crap. Is that a joke?
 
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The ex Seattle police chief Norman Stamper has the experience that you lack, and he DISAGREES with you.

NS: From a distance, and without having interviewed anyone in Ferguson or talked with anyone on it, just relying on media reports, I would have to characterize the police response as an overreaction. Had you set out to make matters worse, you couldn't have done a better job.

I'm just very, very disappointed and troubled that lessons that we learned in Seattle have not been embraced by American law enforcement in general, by these police departments that are facing mistrust and distrust in their communities in particular. If anything, the police in America belong to the people, not the other way around. As such, they have a responsibility to forge what I would call an authentic partnership with the community where they reject unilateral decision-making. One partner in a partnership just simply does not make unilateral or arbitrary decisions.

Seattle's former police chief speaks out on Ferguson and police militarization - Vox
I dont give a **** if he wrote the book on law enforcement. If HIS position is as YOU state it and that he has ignored the reality that the police didnt engage the protesters/rioters with teargas and rubber bullets until after the third day of rioting he is a liar. Or you are intentionally misrepresenting his position. Regardless...the video VERY CLEARLY shows the protesters protesting in front of a burned down QT market. Day 4.
 
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The ex Seattle police chief Norman Stamper has the experience that you lack, and he DISAGREES with you.

NS: From a distance, and without having interviewed anyone in Ferguson or talked with anyone on it, just relying on media reports, I would have to characterize the police response as an overreaction. Had you set out to make matters worse, you couldn't have done a better job.

I'm just very, very disappointed and troubled that lessons that we learned in Seattle have not been embraced by American law enforcement in general, by these police departments that are facing mistrust and distrust in their communities in particular. If anything, the police in America belong to the people, not the other way around. As such, they have a responsibility to forge what I would call an authentic partnership with the community where they reject unilateral decision-making. One partner in a partnership just simply does not make unilateral or arbitrary decisions.

Seattle's former police chief speaks out on Ferguson and police militarization - Vox
"From a distance, and without having interviewed anyone in Ferguson or talked with anyone on it, just relying on media reports..."

Start over...
 
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When the dust settles they can clean up their own mess.
Amen. I'm all for it. The police should back completely out. They should let the looters, rioters, protesters and those ****wad paparazzi posing as 'photojournalists" all work **** out. ANd theres a whole lot of others that should join them. Id LOVE to hear their reports after dark.
 
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Amen. I'm all for it. The police should back completely out. They should let the looters, rioters, protesters and those ****wad paparazzi posing as 'photojournalists" all work **** out. ANd theres a whole lot of others that should join them. Id LOVE to hear their reports after dark.

And, anyone who wastes one of those clown in defense of theor property get automatic immunity.
 
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If you watched the entirety of Baden's press conference you would know that he pointed out that the graze wound on the right fore-arm may have been fired from in front or from behind Brown and that there is no way to tell.
Several witnesses said that they saw Brown flinch as though he was hit while running away from Wilson's gun fire and that he turned and faced Wilson only after that occurred. That is consistent with what Johnson recounted as well.
" In the back " is not inconsistent with "shot from behind".

Due to the grouping of the shots, it's highly unlikely that Wilson shot Brown once in the right arm while he was running (which would be to the officer's right) then re-aimed to the same arm, same side of the chest and same side of the face once he turned around (which would now be to the officer's left). Again, based on the totality of evidence, Johnson's story is ridiculous. So, while it's technically possible, the evidence nearly negates it as a possibility.
 
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Due to the grouping of the shots, it's highly unlikely that Wilson shot Brown once in the right arm while he was running (which would be to the officer's right) then re-aimed to the same arm, same side of the chest and same side of the face once he turned around (which would now be to the officer's left). Again, based on the totality of evidence, Johnson's story is ridiculous. So, while it's technically possible, the evidence nearly negates it as a possibility.
No.
It doesn't.
 
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No.
It doesn't.

Sure it does. All wounds were to the right side. Very likely all done while the gentle giant was facing the same way.

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Backwards again...
I feel confident that I have weighed the evidence and concluded correctly that this homicide was not justified.
That leads me to a desire to see justice done.

Oh, good. You weighed the evidence. You have access to all that? Plus the future GJ testimony? You should let them know that they shouldn't waste their time with a full investigation, you've already found the cop guilty. Good thing you're not prejudging anything.
 
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Actually, NOT what you said. Conversely I could accuse you of wanting the cop to get away with murder, though what I would prefer, is to see what the Grand Jury produces.

I don't want to see anyone get away with murder. I don't want to see a cop that did his job be prosecuted either. I'd love to see the criminals that have done all the looting and subsequent crimes punished. I'd like to see the scum that rush in, like Jackson and Sharpton get theirs.

In addition, I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve...
 
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