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Breaking: CNN Reports Darren Wilson Did Not Suffer a Fractured Eye Socket

Yeah, a bunch of "sources" have said a lot of things. At this point, **** it, I'ma wait.
 
MACS-24 said:
Unfortunately, I don't think it will ever be completely corrected.
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Probably not, unless you take motivation for lying into consideration, which many don't take the time to do. Unfortunately, many people seem to hear only the things they personally agree with, and the rest is ignored. Even when the facts are known, they find it difficult or impossible to change their thinking, so the resentment simmers inside, and that's usually a road block to understanding. Sure, mistakes are made sometimes, because none of us are perfect. On the other hand, no one is always right, either.

Greetings, MACS-24. :2wave:
 
shrubnose said:
But the unarmed 18-year old Black man that he shot 6-times is still dead, eh?

When there are any changes on that I'd like to hear about it.

But I predict that young Black man will stay dead for a long time and the White man who killed him will move on with his life.

Just trying to state the facts here.

If anyone has any new information, they should pass it on to the prosecutor and grand jury in Ferguson.
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If this were my son, I would purchase a deer rifle and start practicing.
 
polgara said:
Probably not, unless you take motivation for lying into consideration, which many don't take the time to do. Unfortunately, many people seem to hear only the things they personally agree with, and the rest is ignored. Even when the facts are known, they find it difficult or impossible to change their thinking, so the resentment simmers inside, and that's usually a road block to understanding. Sure, mistakes are made sometimes, because none of us are perfect. On the other hand, no one is always right, either.

Greetings, MACS-24. :2wave:
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Greetings polgara

I was thinking in the case of the policeman, if tried and found innocent many would still hate him and he'll always walk in fear. If never convicted, despite evidence, doubly hated.
 
vesper said:
What is hilarious about this thread is the OP uses a source from Little Green Footballs to discredit Gateway Pundit. Now that's funny.

CNN's report of Wilson not having a fracture to his eye socket claim they verified this from UN-NAMED sources. So how in the heck does that make CNN's story any more valid?

Secondly- When the Police Chief was asked about Wilson's injuries specifically the fractured orbital bones, he responded by saying the side of Wilson's face was swollen and he was taken to the hospital to have it checked out. He offered no more information because it would be violating the officer's privacy to report on the details of his medical condition. You can bet your sweet bippy that plenty of pictures were taken of the swollen face and the medical examiner's report will be detailed and NO ONE will be privy to that information until the grand jury convenes.

Thirdly- those of you hell bent on portraying Wilson guilty on the basis of a few so called eyewitness reports, might want to think twice about that one. Seems the star witness that started all the stuff about Brown being "shot in the back", "hands up", "gunned down like an animal" has a few credibility issues when it comes to telling the truth and a history of stealing.....the same illegal activity that Johnson and Brown were engaged in just prior to Brown's death.

Key witness in Ferguson wanted in Jefferson City | Local News - Home
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Oh, so now you want the truth to get in the way of a good story. If we wait until the facts are known, there won't be any fun. No conjecture, no political posturing, no racism or race baiting claims, no free beer and smokes, no walking around money for Al Sharpton - ask yourself - is that what you really want?
 
We do have two conflicting unnamed sources. By themselves, we would have to compare the sources citing the unnamed sources and maybe go with the credibility of those "news" entities. Like, is this the National Enquirer vs. The Christian Science Monitor.

But, we don't just have the news entity sources, we have a couple other facts. One, the fact that one news entity source tried to dupe its true believers into believing it had an X-ray of the orbital fracture break. This gives an indication as to who is trying to deceive about this detail. And two, we do have neighbors saying that they saw Dan Wilson mowing his lawn a couple days later. And injury like that, you don't mow you lawn, it just doesn't happen.

We still don't know whether Wilson was beaten. But, I do think we know there was no orbital fracture.
 
Texmex said:
If this were my son, I would purchase a deer rifle and start practicing.
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If that were your son you would be a piss poor parent.

Mine don't run around menacing and intimidating store clerks.
 
Gardener said:
If that were your son you would be a piss poor parent.

Mine don't run around menacing and intimidating store clerks.
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I would still get a rifle and practice, practice, practice.
 
clownboy said:
Certainly can, except perhaps the locals where they don't make money from news, it's a loss leader for them. And that last, glad you're finally getting it.
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What do you mean "finally"?
 
beefheart said:
Breaking: CNN Reports #Ferguson PD Officer Darren Wilson DID NOT Suffer a Fractured Eye Socket - Little Green Footballs

Breaking: CNN Reports #Ferguson PD Officer Darren Wilson DID NOT Suffer a Fractured Eye Socket

By Charles Johnson

For the past couple of days, I’ve been pointing out the numerous problems in Jim Hoft’s anonymously sourced claim that Ferguson PD officer Darren Wilson suffered a fractured eye socket in a purported struggle with teenager Michael Brown, and now CNN is reporting that sources close to the investigation have told them this story is completely false:



Jim Hoft’s claims made it all the way to Fox News, I should note. Will this finally wake people up to the fact that Hoft is a serial liar?




As I pointed out in this article, Jim Hoft wrote that his source for the claim about the fractured eye socket was the St. Louis County Prosecutor’s office. I’ve emailed the prosecutor’s office asking them for comment on Hoft’s claim, and will post if I receive a reply.
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That's why we need an honest, fair investigation. Find out what happened for real so we can best judge the situation.
 
Dezaad said:
We do have two conflicting unnamed sources. By themselves, we would have to compare the sources citing the unnamed sources and maybe go with the credibility of those "news" entities. Like, is this the National Enquirer vs. The Christian Science Monitor.

But, we don't just have the news entity sources, we have a couple other facts. One, the fact that one news entity source tried to dupe its true believers into believing it had an X-ray of the orbital fracture break. This gives an indication as to who is trying to deceive about this detail. And two, we do have neighbors saying that they saw Dan Wilson mowing his lawn a couple days later. And injury like that, you don't mow you lawn, it just doesn't happen.

We still don't know whether Wilson was beaten. But, I do think we know there was no orbital fracture.
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Especially since an X-ray isn't able to detect the presence of an orbital fracture. So if anyone says they have a positive or negative x-ray, they are blowing smoke.

The only people who would know if he had an orbital fracture are Wilson, his doctor, and anyone exempt from HIPPA(i.e. law enforcement)
 
LowDown said:
All the left wingers are ginning up to get the policeman lynched. They take little snippets of evidence and factiods and jump wildly to predetermined conclusions while ignoring or dismissing anything that contradicts their preferred narrative. A centrist would be saying, "Let's wait for the evidence and let the legal system deal with this."
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We can see that happening on both sides, actually.
 
humbolt said:
Oh, so now you want the truth to get in the way of a good story. If we wait until the facts are known, there won't be any fun. No conjecture, no political posturing, no racism or race baiting claims, no free beer and smokes, no walking around money for Al Sharpton - ask yourself - is that what you really want?
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:lol: Mornin Humbolt. Thanks for the chuckle.
 
doubt we ever find out what injuries he had, if any

swollen face, big deal
 
MACS-24 said:
Greetings polgara

I was thinking in the case of the policeman, if tried and found innocent many would still hate him and he'll always walk in fear. If never convicted, despite evidence, doubly hated.
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:agree: It bothers me that Obama and Holder felt it necessary to get personally involved in this mess. This only gives this situation a reason for further race baiting, especially since Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had already "preached to the choir." I understand that Jackson was there to collect money - for what? - and encouraged the residents to register to vote. While I agree with that, why now? Would there be a similar push if it had been a black policeman shooting another black under the same circumstances? I personally don't think so, since it happens every week in Chicago - Obama's hometown!

This is strictly political, IMO, and it means to me that maintaining control of the Senate in Democrat hands is more vital to them, agenda-wise, than anything else right now. The courts will determine the outcome of the shooting in Ferguson, which, while important, appears to be secondary right now to DC political maneuvering.

Damn, I hope I'm wrong! :think: ... :sigh:
 
polgara said:
:agree: It bothers me that Obama and Holder felt it necessary to get personally involved in this mess. This only gives this situation a reason for further race baiting, especially since Sharpton and Jesse Jackson had already "preached to the choir." I understand that Jackson was there to collect money - for what? - and encouraged the residents to register to vote. While I agree with that, why now? Would there be a similar push if it had been a black policeman shooting another black under the same circumstances? I personally don't think so, since it happens every week in Chicago - Obama's hometown!

This is strictly political, IMO, and it means to me that maintaining control of the Senate in Democrat hands is more vital to them, agenda-wise, than anything else right now. The courts will determine the outcome of the shooting in Ferguson, which, while important, appears to be secondary right now to DC political maneuvering.

Damn, I hope I'm wrong! :think: ... :sigh:
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Holder is no doubt privy to all the facts and isn't viewing this through all the mis-information that we are seeing. And as such, he must feel that there is probable cause for his investigation, and now too, this is in the hands of the rubber stamp Grand Jury.

Howdy Polgara!
 
beefheart said:
I was for Bundy paying up. And, since he didn't after all these years, it was time to seize his property, just like they do if you don't pay your mortgage and go into default. Nothing wrong with that.

Now, laying down on a bridge with a scoped rifle pointed at LEO's is wrong, donchathink?
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Not that this is about Bundy, if only to show the hypocrisy in those in here applying a false narrative in this case. There is no evidence that Bundy knew, or ordered anyone to pose as sniper at law enforcement on that bridge, or that the person that the media was drooling over as a pawn in their furtherance of their narrative at the time was even there as a sniper, or pointing at Federal LE.

But it is striking though, how people that want us all to so believe that this case in MO. is so based in racist hate, that a cop just executes 'an angel of a young black boy who wouldn't hurt a flea' ... When in reality he was an 18 year old, drug abusing, thug that thought that he was big enough to even attack a cop and get away with it...I've seen Brown's type before, going through life bullying people to get what he wants, defying authority, on a path to end up in jail or dead. Now for his mother's sake I am saddened for her that it was the latter, however, in Brown's case, he picked the wrong target to attempt to intimidate....And now the left, and media have their story to further the disgusting false narrative of racial tensions in this country. It is truly sad, just as the hypocritical douche bags that further the divide, and exploit it. ;)
 
Montecresto said:
Holder is no doubt privy to all the facts and isn't viewing this through all the mis-information that we are seeing. And as such, he must feel that there is probable cause for his investigation, and now too, this is in the hands of the rubber stamp Grand Jury.

Howdy Polgara!
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What makes you believe this Monte? Holder is ground zero today for this ramped up racial divide we see in things like this today....

 
j-mac said:
What makes you believe this Monte? Holder is ground zero today for this ramped up racial divide we see in things like this today....

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Holder has been briefed at the St. Louis FBI headquarters. You want to argue that he doesn't have more info, accurate info, then you and I?
 
vesper said:
What is hilarious about this thread is the OP uses a source from Little Green Footballs to discredit Gateway Pundit. Now that's funny.

CNN's report of Wilson not having a fracture to his eye socket claim they verified this from UN-NAMED sources. So how in the heck does that make CNN's story any more valid?

Secondly- When the Police Chief was asked about Wilson's injuries specifically the fractured orbital bones, he responded by saying the side of Wilson's face was swollen and he was taken to the hospital to have it checked out. He offered no more information because it would be violating the officer's privacy to report on the details of his medical condition. You can bet your sweet bippy that plenty of pictures were taken of the swollen face and the medical examiner's report will be detailed and NO ONE will be privy to that information until the grand jury convenes.

Thirdly- those of you hell bent on portraying Wilson guilty on the basis of a few so called eyewitness reports, might want to think twice about that one. Seems the star witness that started all the stuff about Brown being "shot in the back", "hands up", "gunned down like an animal" has a few credibility issues when it comes to telling the truth and a history of stealing....
.the same illegal activity that Johnson and Brown were engaged in just prior to Brown's death.
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Key witness in Ferguson wanted in Jefferson City | Local News - Home
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So what? The cop who shot and killed Brown knew nothing about this at the time of the shooting so it won't be a factor at any trial that is held.
 
Montecresto said:
Holder has been briefed at the St. Louis FBI headquarters. You want to argue that he doesn't have more info, accurate info, then you and I?
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I don't know what they have, or what they are making up....Do you?
 
shrubnose said:
So what? The cop who shot and killed Brown knew nothing about this at the time of the shooting so it won't be a factor at any trial that is held.
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No, I think it will be a factor...It is after all the cops side of the story, at least the start of it.
 
According to the Washington Post:

Darren Wilson had an eye bone fracture after scuffle with Michael Brown, family friend says

Darren Wilson had an eye bone fracture after scuffle with Michael Brown, family friend says - The Washington Post

The officer who fatally shot an unarmed Ferguson youth suffered a fracture to his eye bone in a scuffle with Michael Brown, according to a family friend.

The hospital X-rays of the injury have been submitted to the St. Louis County prosecuting attorney, and will be shared with a grand jury now weighing evidence to determine if Officer Darren Wilson should be charged in the shooting.


So the CNN "anonymous" source contradicts this source. Well how about if we let the jury decide?
 
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