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Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown[W:150:507]

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Tettsuo said:
Witness: Brown fell toward officer - CNN.com Video

You mean this guy?
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No, not that guy.

Folks may see things differently but there can not be two versions.
His account does not match up with what is already known.
And as the following person was clear on the double back and running, something is wrong with the above account.
A person doesn't usually see doubling back, running and continuing to come forward while being shot at, unless something like that is happening.

This guy.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
What " lynch mob"?
Did you see anyone with a rope?
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"Lynch mob" is often used as a metaphor for a group of angry intolerant people. So a literal rope is not required. Does that really have to be explained though?
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
You do not CHARGE someone with a crime unless the evidence warrants a charge. That is not how the legal system works. There has to be sufficient evidence first and that is determined by the investigation. The investigation is ongoing at this point and a charge will be issued only if there is sufficient evidence to warrant it.
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I have personally heard at least four witnesses say that Brown was not being aggressive when he was shot down with at least six shots.
That's grounds for enough doubt to have a trial ...don't you think?
 
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Paleocon said:
If the officer feared he might incriminate himself (and such a fear would be very reasonable), he has a constitutional right not to make a statement.

Of course if he already has, then the PD should release it according to the norms of law.
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Agree with the first sentence, but not the second. The PD does not normally release any information in an on going investigation nor am I aware of a law that requires the PD to release statements by anyone accused. Can you clarify what you mean by that?
 
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mac said:
No, it's not, if you're talking about some stoner sitting on a park bench minding his own damn business. Relaying that it was reported that he had marijuana in his system was not intended to serve as justification for the shooting.
As part of the bigger picture, though, it's relevant.
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I'm just going to predict that it won't mean a thing at that cops murder trial, if there is one.

He didn't have that toxicology report when he was pulling that trigger.
 
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Fenton said:
Well, " Conservative " ( your'e showing your political agenda ) sources have been far more accurate than left wing sources on this issue.

Remember when this first started he " was running away and shot in the back ", he "accidentally " kicked the car door shut, he had hid hands up, he didn't just strong arm rob a store and he didn't just punch a cop in the head.

Remember, he was a " Gentle Giant " on his way to College and some evil Cop assassinated him.

Sources like HuffPo perpetuated that myth, ran front page " Arrest Him " headlines.
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You obviously do not know my politics. Secondly, I stated that it doesn't mean that this is false. However one must acknowledge that Gateway Pundit, Fox News, and the like are biased.

None of this actually refutes the problems that I bought up. Try again.

Also, **** HuffPo.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
I have personally heard at least four witnesses say that Brown was not being aggressive when he was shot down with at least six shots.
That's grounds for enough doubt to have a trial ...don't you think?
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Those witnesses are looking less credible all the time.
 
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Excon said:
No, not that guy.

Folks may see things differently but there can not be two versions.
His account does not match up with what is already known.
And as the following person was clear on the double back and running, something is wrong with the above account.
A person doesn't usually see doubling back, running and continuing to come forward while being shot at, unless something like that is happening.

This guy.
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How are you shot in the back of the head twice, those being the two final shots, and fall toward the police officer?
 
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Mr. Invisible said:
How are you shot in the back of the head twice, those being the two final shots, and fall toward the police officer?
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I'd like to understand that as well - seems anti-physics was at work here. :popcorn2:
 
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shrubnose said:
I'm just going to predict that it won't mean a thing at that cops murder trial, if there is one.

He didn't have that toxicology report when he was pulling that trigger.
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It'll be very rellevant.
 
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apdst said:
Those witnesses are looking less credible all the time.
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I doubt that any court will be interested in your opinion.

But, let's wait and see.

Maybe they'll hire you as an expert witness who wasn't there, but knows all about it. :roll:
 
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shrubnose said:
I'm just going to predict that it won't mean a thing at that cops murder trial, if there is one.

He didn't have that toxicology report when he was pulling that trigger.
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IF he was charging at the police officer (after allegedly punching the officer before that) and kept on coming after being shot multiple times, he may have had cocaine or something else in his system. And if that is the case, the toxicology report will play a big role in any potential trial.
 
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shrubnose said:
I doubt that any court will be interested in your opinion.

But, let's wait and see.

Maybe they'll hire you as an expert witness who wasn't there, but knows all about it. :roll:
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I doubt they'll be interested in any of yours, either.
 
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Porchev said:
IF he was charging at the police officer (after allegedly punching the officer before that) and kept on coming after being shot multiple times, he may have had cocaine or something else in his system. And if that is the case,
the toxicology report will play a big role in any potential trial
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Do you think that it will save that cop from going to prison?
 
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contrapositive said:
I doubt they'll be interested in any of yours, either.
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So maybe all of us will have to just stay home and wait and see what happens. eh?

OK with me, I don't like long plane trips.
 
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shrubnose said:
So maybe all of us will have to just stay home and wait and see what happens. eh?

OK with me, I don't like long plane trips.
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Isn't that what I am advocating? To wait for all the evidence to come out? And not hold Wilson guilty of something that hasn't been proven beyond a reasonable doubt yet?
 
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mac said:
and ignores the fact that he had inflicted an orbital blowout fracture on the armed officer. So, among other things, you have an "unarmed teen" willing to assault armed police officer. I think it safe to assume that Brown was not acting rationally to say the least and t
hat the officer had reason to assume Brown intended to do him grievous bodily harm.
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And also that the cop started something that he couldn't handle physically so he ended up putting 6 bullets in an unarmed 18-year old Black man.

This kind of reminds me of the Zimmerman/Martin case.
 
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shrubnose said:
And also that the cop started something that he couldn't handle physically so he ended up putting 6 bullets in an unarmed 18-year old Black man.
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Proof?
 
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clownboy said:
I think so too. That way if the locals won't do it, the feds will.
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This is an election year after all.
 
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mac said:
It's been reported that there was marijuana in his system.
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If anything, that would have made him less combative.
 
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contrapositive said:
Isn't that what I am advocating? To wait for all the evidence to come out?
And not hold Wilson guilty of something that hasn't been proven beyond a reasonable doubt yet?
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I'm a strong believer in having the trial first, then imposing the sentence.

I have no idea how this will end up, but I do believe that if there's no justice in this case it might be quite a while before there's any peace in Ferguson.
 
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polgara said:
So the seething and unrest goes underground instead. :thumbdown: Is this Holder's decision? What about the right to a speedy trial? How many new revelations are they expecting to surface in the next two months? It's being delayed, but why?
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The timing has to be perfect to get the cop railroaded just before the election, or at least have it underway.
 
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shrubnose said:
I'm a strong believer in having the trial first, then imposing the sentence.
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That's not what I am saying.

It seems you have already drawn the conclusion that Wilson is guilty of executing Brown after he had surrendered, in broad daylight. I don't like that practice, along with the implications that follow.
 
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AJiveMan said:
@ approximately 49-50 seconds into the interview, the chief says he's been in contact with officer Browns family.

Is this a doctored video you're talking about in the link?

Still doesn't answer the question another DP member asked, where is the video or images from the police cruiser dash cam?

No need to be obtuse either.
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Who is officer Brown?
 
Re: Missouri cop was badly beaten before shooting Michael Brown[W:150]

shrubnose said:
I doubt that any court will be interested in your opinion.

But, let's wait and see.

Maybe they'll hire you as an expert witness who wasn't there, but knows all about it. :roll:
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Get off your pedestal. Your opinion is no better than mine.
 
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